The Debate of God.

[godnotgod]

The two lines of the essay are a poor starting point.

Personal experience?....as by counsel of angel?
What?...the glory of the sky above is not enough?
What?...the earth and all it's wonder is insufficient?

These are not personal experiences. We share them.

That some say nay to God is not wrought for lack of evidence.

Nay saying comes from the heart and mind....and betrays the spirit.

btw....God being the source of our being.....would be the creator of humor.
Who do you think He laughs at?

If God is bluffing, as Mr. Watts suggests, how else would you test for it, other than to call Him on it and then personally experience the outcome?

A sadistic ogre, such as the Biblical Yawheh, would laugh AT man; only an authentic God would laugh WITH him, which is to reflect the goal of all religious endeavor: divine union in expression of Absolute Joy.

Regarding the glory of the sky and Earth's wonders, the question is not whether God exists or not, but whether He is serious in his threats and exhortations.

Right from the beginning, we have a God who plants a highly deadly but succulently inviting and provocative Fruit right in his innocent children's path, only to turn around and forbid them to eat of it. This is equivalent to a very sexy naked woman teasing a teenaged male with hormones raging and then commanding him not to touch her.

Given the circumstances, what is it that God REALLY wants man to do?

 

[Thief]

If God is bluffing, as Mr. Watts suggests, how else would you test for it, other than to call Him on it and then personally experience the outcome?

A sadistic ogre, such as the Biblical Yawheh, would laugh AT man; only an authentic God would laugh WITH him, which is to reflect the goal of all religious endeavor: divine union in expression of Absolute Joy.

Regarding the glory of the sky and Earth's wonders, the question is not whether God exists or not, but whether He is serious in his threats and exhortations.

Right from the beginning, we have a God who plants a highly deadly but succulently inviting and provocative Fruit right in his innocent children's path, only to turn around and forbid them to eat of it. This is equivalent to a very sexy naked woman teasing a teenaged male with hormones raging and then commanding him not to touch her.

Given the circumstances, what is it that God REALLY wants man to do?

Become a mature person and survive the last breath.

The rest of your post is dogmatic....I am not.

 

[Thief]

let me ask you this...
is your relationship with your wife (assuming you have one)
the same as your relationship with you child (assuming you have one)?

is the experience of each of those individuals the same?

i certainly hope not.

And this is your trade mark retort...and it is irrelevant.

 

[godnotgod]

Become a mature person and survive the last breath.

If that is what God wants of man, why did He tempt Adam and Eve with an irresistible deadly poison, driving them from Paradise? That is one reckless, drunken megalomaniacal God!

Once the scene in a drama is acted out, it is not repeated. What for? It has already told its part of the story. Why would anyone want to go on as they now exist, to 'survive the last breath'? I don't want to survive the last breath; I want to live this moment as fully in prime time as I possibly can, without contaminating it with residues from the dead past. When I die, I want it to be over forever. That way, my authentic self can once again awaken and play in another drama, fresh and alive, new and exciting, spontaneous and surprising, not from the stale and dead past.

To go on in your current incarnation, as the character you are now playing, is to arrive in a world you won't fit into, a has-been. You will be a laughing stock, clumsy and foolish, and tripping over everything, a bull in a china shop.

The rest of your post is dogmatic....I am not.

Your dogma is hard and rigid, set in stone, just right for water to slowly wear it away over time.

Let all sharpness be blunted,
All tangles untied,
All glare tempered.
All dust smoothed.

Tao

 

[Gui10]

Once the scene in a drama is acted out, it is not repeated. What for? It has already told its part of the story. Why would anyone want to go on as they now exist, to 'survive the last breath'? I don't want to survive the last breath. When I die, I want it to be over forever. That way, my authentic self can once again awaken and play in another drama, fresh and alive, new and exciting, spontaneous and surprising, not from the stale and dead past.

To go on in your current incarnation, as the character you are now playing, is to arrive in a world you won't fit into. You will be a laughing stock, clumsy and foolish, and tripping over everything, a bull in a china shop.

There are either ONE of INFINITE spirits.

 

[Thief]

If that is what God wants of man, why did He tempt Adam and Eve with an irresistible deadly poison, driving them from Paradise? That is one reckless, drunken megalomaniacal God!

Once the scene in a drama is acted out, it is not repeated. What for? It has already told its part of the story. Why would anyone want to go on as they now exist, to 'survive the last breath'? I don't want to survive the last breath; I want to live this moment as fully in prime time as I possibly can, without contaminating it with residues from the dead past. When I die, I want it to be over forever. That way, my authentic self can once again awaken and play in another drama, fresh and alive, new and exciting, spontaneous and surprising, not from the stale and dead past.

To go on in your current incarnation, as the character you are now playing, is to arrive in a world you won't fit into, a has-been. You will be a laughing stock, clumsy and foolish, and tripping over everything, a bull in a china shop.

Your dogma is hard and rigid, set in stone, just right for water to slowly wear it away over time.

Let all sharpness be blunted,
All tangles untied,
All glare tempered.
All dust smoothed.

Tao

Sounds like a suicide note, while blaming others for the situation.

I quote scripture now and then, but it's not the reason I believe in God.
I am not dogmatic.
Quoting scripture to me, as if you understand me.....is foolish in itself.

So....God is a maniac? and you want to be dust.
With your conviction pronounced...repeatedly...
Why not, go do you dust thing and let the rest of us talk about God?

 

[godnotgod]

I quote scripture now and then, but it's not the reason I believe in God.
I am not dogmatic.
Quoting scripture to me, as if you understand me.....is foolish in itself.

I think you're confused: It is not scripture that indicates dogma; it is belief treated as if it were Truth, which is then foisted onto others, many times under threat of punishment if the dogma is not so accepted. That is what you do: you talk about your beliefs in terms of their being fact, and if someone disagrees, you then turn around and say: 'Just you wait until Judgment Day!'

What's so difficult about understanding you? You're makeup is rather simple, actually. No biggee.

 

[Thief]

I think you're confused: It is not scripture that indicates dogma; it is belief treated as if it were Truth, which is then foisted onto others, many times under threat of punishment if the dogma is not so accepted. That is what you do: you talk about your beliefs in terms of their being fact, and if someone disagrees, you then turn around and say: 'Just you wait until Judgment Day!'

What's so difficult about understanding you? You're makeup is rather simple, actually. No biggee.

My beliefs are simplistic...true....but not dogmatic.

You are a spirit in a body.
Your death is pending.
And you think God is a maniac.

Bad scenario.

 

[waitasec]

And this is your trade mark retort...and it is irrelevant.

no it's inconvenient...
you are the one who mentioned personal experiences

These are not personal experiences. We share them.

let me ask you this...
is your relationship with your wife (assuming you have one)
the same as your relationship with you child (assuming you have one)?

is the experience of each of those individuals the same?

i certainly hope not.

 

[waitasec]

btw....God being the source of our being.....would be the creator of humor.
Who do you think He laughs at?

i don't know, perhaps you??

 

[Thief]

no it's inconvenient...
you are the one who mentioned personal experiences

I didn't mention my family...you did.
And how you deal with God?....like family?

Glad we don't share blood.

 

[godnotgod]

My beliefs are simplistic...true....but not dogmatic.

You are a spirit in a body.
Your death is pending.
And you think God is a maniac.

Bad scenario.

You're twisting things. I said the God of the Old Testament, Yaweh, is a drunken maniacal God. He's also a racist and mass murderer. Read Deuteronomy 20.

Rather than go on and on, let's just cut to the chase for the sake of the topic: you maintain a BELIEF in a 'next life', but can provide no real basis upon which that belief is true. Beliefs are not truth. So if you can admit that, we're done.

The idea of a 'next life' is a delusion.

 

[waitasec]

I didn't mention my family...you did.
And how you deal with God?....like family?

Glad we don't share blood.

it was under an assumption

so family is not a personal experience?
how odd...or inconvenient for you

so does one experience everyone the same?

a beggar, a thief, the cashier at the piggly wiggly... and why would this idea of experiencing god be an exception...as one who is experiencing everyone the same

 

[Thief]

it was under an assumption

so family is not a personal experience?
how odd...or inconvenient for you

so does one experience everyone the same?

a beggar, a thief, the cashier at the piggly wiggly... and why would this idea of experiencing god be an exception...as one who is experiencing everyone the same

Reality is the same for me as it is for all.
And we all share this reality....personally.

That you don't want God in it?......

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

The idea of a 'next life' is a delusion.

Hi, godnotgod. Since you guys have been speaking of dogmatism, I'm curious.

Do you say that a nextlife is delusion?

Or do you say that a nextlife seems like a delusion to you?

 

[otokage007]

So there's still people that thinks when a body is destroyed u go to a marvelous place where magic and cottoncandy are for free? Cool.

 

[Thief]

So there's still people that thinks when a body is destroyed u go to a marvelous place where magic and cottoncandy are for free? Cool.

I suspect a good deal more than that.

But are you simply making denial?...or do you have a better alternative than laying in your grave and rotting into dust?

 

[otokage007]

or do you have a better alternative than laying in your grave and rotting into dust?

Actualy I don't. But I don't lose my sleep anyway.

 

[waitasec]

Reality is the same for me as it is for all.
And we all share this reality....personally.

That you don't want God in it?......

your definition of god isn't the same as mine


i don't understand YOUR god...as he is portrayed as a whimsical tyrant...
but hey, if that is the god you wish to worship...by all means knock yourself out

 

[Thief]

your definition of god isn't the same as mine


i don't understand YOUR god...as he is portrayed as a whimsical tyrant...
but hey, if that is the god you wish to worship...by all means knock yourself out

My God is not a whimsical tyrant.
And your description of Him is clear indication you do not understand...
and never did.