The Deep

[S-word]

How nice. Too bad God can't control his beings handling His word any better than that.

So, do you honestly believe that your opinion counts for anything?

 

[Free4all]

I missed all of this...

..in Revelation. Could you help me out here?

here's a short rundown -

Rev 4 - 1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.



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6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Rev 15 - 2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Now link it to the deep:

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened

Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

Frozen water that looks like a sea of glass.

 

[S-word]

The deep

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened

Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.


The earth was not even formed when the Active force of God (Gravity the gathering force) moved upon the cloud of primordial elements (Waters) that were forming in the deep after the Big Bang. For the earth was formless, having no constant shape as it was still only forming sub-atomic particles in the expanding space, and it was then void, having no mass, but nevertheless was there within the swirling cloud of Photons which are the quantum of the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out of the Black Hole of origin, as liquid like energy in the trillions of degrees, and photons have no mass or electric charge.

The flood that you refer to is the springs of water that rose from the earth, by the melting ice caps, and that, with the rain water that fell for 40 days and 40 nights, covered all the earth.

In reference to the flood, Enoch, the only exception of all mankind to have been redeemed from the previous world that was destroyed by water, and to have ascended to the ends of all things, has this to say somewhere in the Book of Enoch , “And after the angels who forsook their own original habitat and had defiled themselves with the daughters of men were punished by those waters, those water springs would change their temperature and would become cold.

 

[sojourner]

but when you read the Bible you are reading the words of God as written and spoken by men who were under the controll of God's spirit.

That's why scholarly exegesis is so important: So we can cut through the human filter and understand what it is God said.

 

[sojourner]

So when the spirit of God "moved" over the face of the waters, and the Hebrew sense of the word for moved implies more that just a flyover, was God bring order to the chaos at that time?

Yes. And Gen. 1 goes on to explain how God does that -- by separating the light from the darkness, by separating the waters above from the waters below with the raqiya, or dome of the sky, etc.

 

[S-word]

Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger
So when the spirit of God "moved" over the face of the waters, and the Hebrew sense of the word for moved implies more that just a flyover, was God bring order to the chaos at that time?

Yes. And Gen. 1 goes on to explain how God does that -- by separating the light from the darkness, by separating the waters above from the waters below with the raqiya, or dome of the sky, etc.

The beginning of these heavens and earth, originated in the depths of the bottomless pit into which the old universal body had fallen as Massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth, where it had become formless and void, having neither shape nor mass, a universe of invisible photons or wave particles, which are not particles at all, but are the quantum of electromagnetic energy into which all matter in the old cycle of universal activity had been converted; and photons which are believed to have the ability to occupy different position in Space in the one point in time, have zero mass, no electric charge, yet carry angular and linear momentum, and photons are generally regarded as discrete stable elementary particles from which all matter is created. The invisible particles, which through blind faith, Paul and other scientific minds of those days, believed that all matter in the universe was created from.

It is the harvester, the great gatherer, the ‘Logos,’ who moved upon the face of those waters in the bottomless pit of dark space, pulling the wave particles together and creating the subatomic particles which were gathered together to make the Atoms of the basic elements such as Helium, hydrogen and oxygen: the attractive force of the greatest of all gatherers condensing the massive swirling cloud into an ever tightening circle and then the observer who was ‘The Light of Man,’ who had developed in the old universal body as the mind or supreme personality of Godhead said, “Let there be light.” And he was pleased when he saw the massive first generation star in which, through the process of thermonuclear reaction, the more complex elements from his old universal body would be resurrected.

Today, the tremendous blast of that super-nova, still reverberates throughout the Cosmos as the first generation star, that brilliant and unapproachable body of light was torn asunder for the foundation of a new physical body for the first born mind of all creation that was able to comprehend the spirit=mind that was He.

With the super-nova of the first generation star, the more complex elements which were created by the thermonuclear reaction, were blasted out beyond the event horizon of the Black Hole that was created by the collapse of the remaining 90% of the Mass of that brilliant and unapproachable body of light, from where, within the inner most sanctuary of the swirling egg, which was the first foetal stage in the rebirth of his universal body, the son of the living Logos, the Light or the spirit of man who was the supreme personality of godhead that had developed in the previous universal body, observes his Father and saviour, as he raised that universal body in which his spiritual son had developed, from the pit of seemingly endless death to life again.

 

[sojourner]

The beginning of these heavens and earth, originated in the depths of the bottomless pit into which the old universal body had fallen as Massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth, where it had become formless and void, having neither shape nor mass, a universe of invisible photons or wave particles, which are not particles at all, but are the quantum of electromagnetic energy into which all matter in the old cycle of universal activity had been converted; and photons which are believed to have the ability to occupy different position in Space in the one point in time, have zero mass, no electric charge, yet carry angular and linear momentum, and photons are generally regarded as discrete stable elementary particles from which all matter is created. The invisible particles, which through blind faith, Paul and other scientific minds of those days, believed that all matter in the universe was created from.

It is the harvester, the great gatherer, the ‘Logos,’ who moved upon the face of those waters in the bottomless pit of dark space, pulling the wave particles together and creating the subatomic particles which were gathered together to make the Atoms of the basic elements such as Helium, hydrogen and oxygen: the attractive force of the greatest of all gatherers condensing the massive swirling cloud into an ever tightening circle and then the observer who was ‘The Light of Man,’ who had developed in the old universal body as the mind or supreme personality of Godhead said, “Let there be light.” And he was pleased when he saw the massive first generation star in which, through the process of thermonuclear reaction, the more complex elements from his old universal body would be resurrected.

Today, the tremendous blast of that super-nova, still reverberates throughout the Cosmos as the first generation star, that brilliant and unapproachable body of light was torn asunder for the foundation of a new physical body for the first born mind of all creation that was able to comprehend the spirit=mind that was He.

With the super-nova of the first generation star, the more complex elements which were created by the thermonuclear reaction, were blasted out beyond the event horizon of the Black Hole that was created by the collapse of the remaining 90% of the Mass of that brilliant and unapproachable body of light, from where, within the inner most sanctuary of the swirling egg, which was the first foetal stage in the rebirth of his universal body, the son of the living Logos, the Light or the spirit of man who was the supreme personality of godhead that had developed in the previous universal body, observes his Father and saviour, as he raised that body in which his spiritual son had developed, from the pit of seemingly endless death to life again.

II Opinions 1:1-15

 

[S-word]

II Opinions 1:1-15

You don't need no second opinions (11 Opinions) here mate. for what I have said is basically correct.

 

[sojourner]

So, do you honestly believe that your opinion counts for anything?

It counts as much as yours does...

 

[sojourner]

You don't need no second opinions (11 Opinions) here mate. for what I have said is basically correct.

In your opinion. Too bad this is a Biblical debate, where we endeavor to find out the Biblical opinion.

 

[S-word]

In your opinion. Too bad this is a Biblical debate, where we endeavor to find out the Biblical opinion.

I didn't say, "In my opinion" old mate. What I said was that my post was basically correct, and what I had said can be verified by the Bible, the book of this debate.

You don't read with a whole lot of understanding as to the content of what you are reading do you? You even mistook my post, 'number 41' which you have answered, as being directed to you.

 

[sojourner]

I didn't say, "In my opinion" old mate. What I said was that my post was basically correct, and what I had said can be verified by the Bible, the book of this debate.

You don't read with a whole lot of understanding as to the content of what you are reading do you? You even mistook my post, 'number 41' which you have answered, as being directed to you.

But it is your opinion of what it "says." (It's certainly not mine, nor of any exegete I know). What you said can be verified by proof-texting and eisegesis, which, in the realm of interpretation, don't count.

I absolutely read with understanding. That understanding begins with proper exegesis -- the foundation upon which interpretation is built.

I didn't mistake #41. I was merely coming to Sandy's aid. I'm afraid it's you who have misunderstood.

 

[S-word]

What you said can be verified by proof-texting and eisegesis, which, in the realm of interpretation, don't count.

You are correct in saying that what I have said can be verified by the written word of God, but your statement, that by quoting the very words of God and those who were under his controll, "In the realms of interpretation doesnt count," is only according to your own ideas and this is eisegesis.

 

[sojourner]

You are correct in saying that what I have said can be verified by the written word of God, but your statement, that by quoting the very words of God and those who were under his controll, "In the realms of interpretation doesnt count," is only according to your own ideas and this is eisegesis.

I didn't say that. I said that you were proof-texting, which activity is eisegetical in nature, and not very helpful to the process of good interpretation.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I didn't say that. I said that you were proof-texting, which activity is eisegetical in nature, and not very helpful to the process of good interpretation.

Hint: Proverbs 26:4

 

[bluZero]

I think it is nice to have an opinion about some things, but some things are just better left alone. If there is no information on a subject the best anyone can do is make a guess, and that is just a waste of time to go about guessing, for it is of little or no value at all. No offense intended, just my opinion.

(Isa 55:9) For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[S-word]

I didn't say that. I said that you were proof-texting, which activity is eisegetical in nature, and not very helpful to the process of good interpretation.

As this is not the appropriate thread to continue this debate, I will start a new thread tomorrow night, God willing, as my time limit is almost up for tonight.

There I will discuss the benifits of "scripture quoting," in revealing the truth in scripture, as opposed to exegesis as defined by you, wherein you believe that one should not move from book to book in ones search for the true interpretation of the subject under debate.

There I will give an example where it is only possible to discover the truth within a certain book, by shifting from Book to book and quoting from each of those books that are but chapters in the one Book "The Bible" which was recorded by the scribes of the one author of all that complete book known as "The Bible"; which process you have defined as "Proof Texting."

I will then challange any exegesist to come to the truth of the subject in question with their critical explaination or analysis of that particulr book=gospel, without shifting from book to book, and quoting from other books, which you have defined as "Proof Texting" which according to your groupe, is not very helpful to the process of good interpretation.


Quote...Sojourner... You've succeeded in moving from Isaiah to Matthew, and now you've made a second move to Luke. Exegesis doesn't do this, because it creates a mish-mash of meaning. We begin to jam together several different traditions to come up with kind of a "fake" tradition (like the shepherds and wise men all showing up at the manger at the same time.) Why in the world can't we pick one gospel and stick with it, until we discover what the author meant?

The little mish-mash that you have mentiond here, was cleared up quite satisfactory by the process of Proof Texting.

The author of the Bible had Matthew record that the wise men never turned up in Israel until Jesus was almost two years old, and we know from another book that they would not have found Jesus in Bethlehem of Judea, as Luke informs us that after they had performed the ceremony of Purification at the appointed time, and we must turn another book, to Leviticus 12, 1-4; to discover when the appointed time was as required by the Law of Moses, which was 41 days after the birth of the child.

After which ceromony when completed, they had then returned to Nazareth, which can be seen from Bethlehem of Galilee, which town today is called "Beitlahm' and also can be seen from the magnificent Hellenistic city of Sepporhus in which so many families lost their lives in that city and its surrounding districts in 4 B.C., the year in which Herod died after a failed sucicide attempt, and the year when Jesus, who was about two years old was taken into the land of Egypt..

 

[sojourner]

As this is not the appropriate thread to continue this debate, I will start a new thread tomorrow night, God willing, as my time limit is almost up for tonight.

There I will discuss the benifits of "scripture quoting," in revealing the truth in scripture, as opposed to exegesis as defined by you, wherein you believe that one should not move from book to book in ones search for the true interpretation of the subject under debate.

There I will give an example where it is only possible to discover the truth within a certain book, by shifting from Book to book and quoting from each of those books that are but chapters in the one Book "The Bible" which was recorded by the scribes of the one author of all that complete book known as "The Bible"; which process you have defined as "Proof Texting."

I will then challange any exegesist to come to the truth of the subject in question with their critical explaination or analysis of that particulr book=gospel, without shifting from book to book, and quoting from other books, which you have defined as "Proof Texting" which according to your groupe, is not very helpful to the process of good interpretation.


Quote...Sojourner... You've succeeded in moving from Isaiah to Matthew, and now you've made a second move to Luke. Exegesis doesn't do this, because it creates a mish-mash of meaning. We begin to jam together several different traditions to come up with kind of a "fake" tradition (like the shepherds and wise men all showing up at the manger at the same time.) Why in the world can't we pick one gospel and stick with it, until we discover what the author meant?

The little mish-mash that you have mentiond here, was cleared up quite satisfactory by the process of Proof Texting.

The author of the Bible had Matthew record that the wise men never turned up in Israel until Jesus was almost two years old, and we know from another book that they would not have found Jesus in Bethlehem of Judea, as Luke informs us that after they had performed the ceremony of Purification at the appointed time, and we must turn another book, to Leviticus 12, 1-4; to discover when the appointed time was as required by the Law of Moses, which was 41 days after the birth of the child.

After which ceromony when completed, they had then returned to Nazareth, which can be seen from Bethlehem of Galilee, which town today is called "Beitlahm' and also can be seen from the magnificent Hellenistic city of Sepporhus in which so many families lost their lives in that city and its surrounding districts in 4 B.C., the year in which Herod died after a failed sucicide attempt, and the year when Jesus, who was about two years old was taken into the land of Egypt..

Are you aware that you just cut-and-pasted this exact post to the "Mark 16:9" thread almost two hours after the fact?

 

[S-word]

Are you aware that you just cut-and-pasted this exact post to the "Mark 16:9" thread almost two hours after the fact?

Yea, the grandson decided that he didn't need to use the computer for his homework after all, and I thought that I'd put the same post here just in case you didn't bother to open the other thread.

 

[sojourner]

Yea, the grandson decided that he didn't need to use the computer for his homework after all, and I thought that I'd put the same post here just in case you didn't bother to open the other thread.

LOL
Kids these days!

:thud: