Nope. Just driving home the point for those who still can't get the difference.
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Curious George
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It really is. That's why I like to give other people the last word once in a while, just to confuse them.
Bunyip
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That doesn't make sense - of course babies can not believe in God, belief in God is a belief they do not have. How you figured that was a 'proof by contradiction' I can only imagine.
No need for that. Your reasoning is confusing enough.
Curious George
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Lol
You said premise 1.
Premise 1:
not believing that god does not exist= believing God exists.
Premise 2:
Babies cannot believe.
Therefore babies cannot believe that God does not exist.
Since, not believing God does not exist is equal to believing God exists
Babies believe that God exists.
This contradicts, our second premise
Therefore either the first or the second premise is not true.
Assuming your premise, leads to the absurdity that babies believe in God.
Game, set, match...thank you for playing.
I think, the sentence would be correct or easier to comprehend if the person said: "I neither believe nor disbelieve."
The word disbelieve means not believing, it doesn't mean believing the opposite. "to not believe (someone or something)" Disbelieve | Definition of disbelieve by Merriam-Webster
How can one say "I don't believe that X exists" and also "I don't believe that X doesnot exist" in same breath? "I don't believe that X exists" means "I believe that X does not exist".
Consider "I don't believe that there is beer in fridge". This person believes that there is no beer in the fridge. Now, if he were to say in same breath "I don't believe that beer is not in the fridge", most likely he is out of his mind.
Probably there is confusion regarding the use of double negation. It is perfect to say "I neither believe nor deisbelieve in God. I have not considered the question at all." Or " I neither believe nor disbelieve, since I found no confirmation this way or that way."
So?
Of course it doesn't. You aren't really saying that a person can't just say "I don't know what to believe so I won't commit to believing any of them?"
No it isn't to not believe is the same as disbelieving.
To not believe is the same as disbelieve. You mean "I neither believe God exists nor do I believe God doesn't exist, since I found no confirmation this way or that way."
So you can't say "I neither believe nor deisbelieve" like you said as if those were opposites. Not believing and disbelieving is the same thing!
But I said "I neither believe nor disbelieve".
Yes you did. Perhaps you should rewrite what you said using different words.
Repeating doesn't help. Try using different words. Grammatically what you say doesn't make sense.
There is no repeat. One part says "I have no belief" and the second part says "I have no disbelef either".
Such a person is out of his mind. He actually says "i believe there is no beer" and then he says "i believe there is beer".
Such a person should say "I have not enough data to decide".
Still doesn't make any sense. Saying "I have no belief" is the same as saying "I disbelieve". Try using different words.
This doesn't make sense either. A person who says "I have not enough data to decide" is an agnostic.
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