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lstan135

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In the beginning there is only one god. Because of the sinful nature of men, they have created many gods (eg. trees, plants, animals, nature, rocks, human beings, ancestors, all kinds of idols and creatures; and bow down to worship them. Therefore, God destroyed (except Noah & his family who were faithful to God and selected pair of each animals) the earth by a great flood. So that mankind can have a new beginning with Noah n his family. However n subsequently, human beings repeated the same mistakes again as before. So, God had to choose a group of people which he called the Israelites n gave them the laws, decrees n commandments to follow.
 
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Bunyip

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lstan135 said:
In the beginning there is only one god. Because of the sinful nature of men, they have created many gods (eg. trees, plants, animals, nature, rocks, human beings, ancestors, all kinds of idols and creatures; and bow down to worship them. Therefore, God destroyed (except Noah & his family who were faithful to God and selected pair of each animals) the earth by a great flood. So that mankind can have a new beginning with Noah n his family. However n subsequently, human beings repeated the same mistakes again as before. So, God had to choose a group of people which he called the Israelites n gave them the laws, decrees n commandments to follow.
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Why does God keep getting it wrong? Seems that his plans consistently fail and he has to destroy everything and start over.
 
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lstan135

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God created man (not robots) after His own image. Therefore He has to give them free will to choose what is right or wrong. God is never wrong or make mistakes. God knew all things in the past, present n the future. And has prepared to sacrifice His son, Jesus Christ to save those who believe in him n follow him.
 
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ArtieE

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U r right. But r we perfect? Look at history. How many nations have waged war against one another thinking they r right?
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In post 603 you said God is in control of everything and nothing can happen without his divine and sovereign approval. So he must have approved all those wars. Who are you to question him?
 
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lstan135

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God never approved wars which was caused by mankind by the free will given to them. He allowed them to happen so that they will learn valuable lessons from their evil ways.
 
Awkward Fingers

Awkward Fingers

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lstan135 said:
God never approved wars which was caused by mankind by the free will given to them. He allowed them to happen so that they will learn valuable lessons from their evil ways.
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If he can see everything, and is all powerful, the he can create the universe in any way he wanted, correct?
If he wanted one more, or one less war to happen, he could have made the universe slightly different, and with knowledge of all time, every aspect of the world is how he knew it would be, and how he wanted it, right?
 
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ArtieE

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lstan135 said:
God never approved wars which was caused by mankind by the free will given to them. He allowed them to happen so that they will learn valuable lessons from their evil ways.
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Then by allowing them to happen he approved of them as good lessons.
 
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lstan135

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By allowing means to let go of His control and let nature take its cause. It is not the same as approved, which can also mean condoning.
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

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lstan135 said:
God created man (not robots) after His own image. Therefore He has to give them free will to choose what is right or wrong. God is never wrong or make mistakes. God knew all things in the past, present n the future. And has prepared to sacrifice His son, Jesus Christ to save those who believe in him n follow him.
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Hang on! He made a universe where sacrificing your kids was necessary? Why would a good god do that?
 
Deathbydefault

Deathbydefault

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lstan135 said:
By allowing means to let go of His control and let nature take its cause. It is not the same as approved, which can also mean condoning.
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Well I have no intention of believing such things until you can prove them true.
God proof is not on us, we aren't making that claim.
You have the BOP feel free to post your physical and visible evidence whenever you please.
 
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lstan135

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God is actually sacrificing Himself as He took the form of a sinless man borned and raised by a chosen virgin woman named Mary and sacrificed himself on a wooden cross to die for our sins, so that whoever believes in Him, his soul shall not perished but live eternally with God in heaven, w.here there is no pain, sorrow n suffering.
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

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lstan135 said:
God is actually sacrificing Himself as He took the form of a sinless man borned and raised by a chosen virgin woman named Mary and sacrificed himself on a wooden cross to die for our sins, so that whoever believes in Him, his soul shall not perished but live eternally with God in heaven, w.here there is no pain, sorrow n suffering.
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Well why would any king of ritual sacrifice of a person or god be a good thing?
 
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lstan135 said:
God is actually sacrificing Himself as He took the form of a sinless man borned and raised by a chosen virgin woman named Mary and sacrificed himself on a wooden cross to die for our sins, so that whoever believes in Him, his soul shall not perished but live eternally with God in heaven, w.here there is no pain, sorrow n suffering.
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That you can say that, that anyone can say that with a straight face is scary.
 
Awkward Fingers

Awkward Fingers

Omphaloskeptic
lstan135 said:
No. He just do not want to control for divine reason
or according to His soveriegn will.
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I asked if there ARE things that are out of gods control.
Your answer was "No" but you are also saying the above quote, that there are things god doesn't control because he doesn't want to.
So, yes or no, are there things out of gods control.
 
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lstan135

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Out of God''s control means that God can't control even if wants to, which is not the case. Do not want to control means the God can still be in control if He wants to but He doesn't want to, which is a vast difference.
 
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lstan135

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God is incomprehensible. He is so holy that anyone who look at Him will die immediately. We are part of His creation n are nobody to question Him. There are many who are certified dead by doctors yet came back to life again and said they met Jesus n was told to return to their lives again to testify what they saw.
 
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