The Democrats Created The KKK

[Enoch07]

If what you say is true why did the Democrats went from being the party who opposed civil rights to being the party that passed them.

And what facts back him up?

Same party different whips/chains.

Keep em enslaved with promises of free healthcare, reparations, etc. This is evidenced in the bigotry of low expectations of the Dems. "Oh you poor black/woman/LGBT/immigrant. You are so helpless and pathetic let us help you". You can be rest assured the Dems do not view their base as equals.

 

[Prometheus85]

He wouldn't had overthrown the Tsar to promote socialism and the working class had he been Right-winged.

Stalin apologists 101

"My enemy’s, enemy’s" logic, combined with the idea that The Revolution required and requires a strong leader, and Stalin fits that bill. Therefore, his flaws must be papered over, for the good of all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Stalin apologists 101

"My enemy’s, enemy’s" logic, combined with the idea that The Revolution required and requires a strong leader, and Stalin fits that bill. Therefore, his flaws must be papered over, for the good of all.

I don't apologize for anything Stalin did (though I did incorrectly think Lenin with my last post). But even with Stalin, even if he was a dictator, he was a Leftist.

 

[Prometheus85]

Yes, he was a leftist. Marxist-Leninism is a far-left ideology. I'm not interested in your No True Scotsman fallacy. I am tired of apologists for Marxism and communism trying to foist their monsters off on us. We have to own up to ours, so stop being hypocrites and own up to yours.

Pure ignorance.



Stalinism, Uncle Joe's legacy to the world, features a ruthless approach to communism that relies heavily on:

• an all-powerful supreme leader aided by a large body of secret police who "encourage" neighbors to inform on neighbors
• purges of any potential adversaries to the supreme leader (with emphasis on the comrades who helped him achieve his position in the first place)
• the imprisonment and murder of intellectuals
• the occasional mass murder of entire portions of the population

Yeah that seems pretty marxist-Leninism.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Historically, Democrat vs Republican does not always reflect liberalism vs traditionalism. The party platforms are erratic. They're loaded terms.

Better to go with liberal/conservative or left/right. They're more politically stable.

I'm much more fond of a less one-dimensional model than "left/right." The Political Compass seems to me to allow for much more nuance in how people think, and for that reason, I think it opens the world up to more than just two parties battling it out.

It is not always true that people who believe that government should stay out of people's private lives also believe that government has no place in helping those who can't help themselves. It is not always true that those who favour less government involvement in economic activities also favour less government involvement in social areas.

The Political Compass adds another dimension to the old Left/Right model, by assigning the L/R to an "economic" scale, and U/D to a "social" scale. On that scale, I always show up not to far from centre, but with a decidedly libertarian (social) left (economic) bent.

 

[Prometheus85]

Same party different whips/chains.

Keep em enslaved with promises of free healthcare, reparations, etc. This is evidenced in the bigotry of low expectations of the Dems. "Oh you poor black/woman/LGBT/immigrant. You are so helpless and pathetic let us help you". You can be rest assured the Dems do not view their base as equals.

Lol the problem with your argument is
It makes perfect sense to think that segregationalist Democrats were liberals, so as long as you ignore the vast majority of southern democrats at the time who were famously conservative.

This is of course also ignoring the fact that very few Dixiecrats and so-called Yellow Dog Democrats exist today in the south and that the liberal wing of the Republican party (nicknamed "Rockefeller Republicans") is all but extinct as well. Interestingly, many Republicans are the first ones to defend the confederate flag, and David duke grand wizard of the kkk is a Republican and supports trump and the republicans as do other white supremacist.

 

[Prometheus85]

I don't apologize for anything Stalin did (though I did incorrectly think Lenin with my last post). But even with Stalin, even if he was a dictator, he was a Leftist.

He's only considered a left-wing extremist by right-wing extremists who want to distance themselves from him. Hitler sometimes gets the same treatment.

Yes, he advocated for urban worker's production and created an 'equal' society, albeit by killing all the superiors. Be he became more right wing towards the beginning of the Second World War, reintroducing ranks into the military and basically reverting what he did in the purges in the 30s
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[Enoch07]

Lol the problem with your argument is
It makes perfect sense to think that segregationalist Democrats were liberals, so as long as you ignore the vast majority of southern democrats at the time who were famously conservative.

This is of course also ignoring the fact that very few Dixiecrats and so-called Yellow Dog Democrats exist today in the south and that the liberal wing of the Republican party (nicknamed "Rockefeller Republicans") is all but extinct as well. Interestingly, many Republicans are the first ones to defend the confederate flag, and David duke grand wizard of the kkk is a Republican and supports trump and the republicans as do other white supremacist.

It's very naive to believe people are who they say they are.

David Duke for instance, while a racist pos, is honest about it. He doesn't sneak around. He is open about who he is for right or wrong.

Someone looking to manipulate and control people will do it from the shadows, with subtetly.

It's obvious you aren't gonna change your mind. And I am not trying to change it. But this is the way myself, and many others see the how the Dems work.

 

[Valjean]

No the left are the ones that wanted to maintain Jim Crow back in the 60s. Check out the archive in the Library of Congress who actually supported Jim Crow in those who were against which so happened to be the right.

I think you're confusing the "left" with the dixicrats. Left and right don't always correspond to party affiliation.
Back in the 60s the left supported the civil rights movement.

With that out of the way, the 40 hour work week was pushed by unions back in the day when they were actually beneficial for a change instead of the reputation of beating the snot out of people with their security guards while the owners brought in the scab workers during strikes and lockouts.

But aren't unions left wing, too? And it was the bosses who hired the thugs and security guards to beat up the unionists, not the other way round.

As far as the left did, it was a a good job of tempering the radicals and the supremacist by further identifying and even reaffirming each other as distinctly different by instituting racist laws themselves like affirmative action, and identifying and grouping differences as tools of leverage with a either a you're with me , or against me type of mentality. Basically, it's not enough to just level the playing field which is what they should have done, it's to also to make sure and include a distinctive disadvantage for others for good measure.

If it's not enough just to level the playing field, why are you recommending it, and criticizing the left for affirmative action?

Oh the left is racist alright. They just change the flags now and again with whatever they think is going to benefit them. It's now their stick it to whitey era cuz whitey deserves it, campaign under the guise of being equal and fair. They are equal and fair all right, just only with the selected ethnic group they champion as long as that is useful for them and gets them elected.

People are people. We're born tribal, but some of us are more comfortable with diversity than others. These tend to gravitate to the left and the current Democratic party.

As long as it doesn't outgrow the usefulness and don't revert back to their former glorified disposition when it comes to ethnicity I'm sure they'd be right happy and to change the flags again.........

Lipstick on a pig.

Huh?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Same party different whips/chains.

Keep em enslaved with promises of free healthcare.

As someone who works in the healthcare industry, I believe free healthcare is essential and necessary for all human beings. I see patients every day who are homeless, disabled and without work who need emergent treatment and some do not even get the necessary help because they are poor. Sadly, medicine and getting the help you need is big business and we need a system in place that people can get the necessary help they need to survive.

reparations

I'm against reparations. Not because of the concept, but because you cannot put a monetary value on the mistreatment of what my ancestors did to build this country nor can you put a monetary value on what my parents, parents, parents, parents went through. I also believe the disingenuity of some white politicians who believe throwing money all of a sudden solves problems for me and those that look like me. It also creates further divisions among minorities who have felt historically disenfranchised because they'll say "well what about us" because most definitely most people do not look at slavery and the residual effects of racism in this country as important enough that it could affect future generations like it has for myself and others.

In addition, "black problems" despite other minority communities receiving some sort of reward (Jews, Native Americans, Japanese for example) aren't looked at the same way as others despite the fact that we are still dealing with an ever changing for of systemic racism. With that being said monetary rewards for slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow just creates the bargaining chip not just among democrats and republicans but white America itself, because at the end of the day any grievances African-Americans hold, most certainly some whites will be like "ah ha! remember WE GAVE YOU MONEY FOR THE ENSLAVEMENT OF YOUR ANCESTORS?" Which in it of itself would make the very act of help the descendants of slaves disingenuous and not coming from a foundation of ethical principle in the first place. In other words it just creates a "look what I did for you kinda thing."

This is evidenced in the bigotry of low expectations of the Dems. "Oh you poor black/woman/LGBT/immigrant.

No. Because there are minorities that still face discrimination and since we are a country where the majority must not overtake the minority and that, there must be a system of balance where one side does not have indefinite power over others I do not see this as a problem. Only those that haven't been through historical and systemic discrimination see this as problematic because like I said, I've been through it, my parents been through it, and my grand-parents and their parents and so on went through it. This isn't just my fight, but the fight of all minorities who have experiences discrimination. Funny how you don't have this same energy when white males form coalitions to complain about the genocide of whites (which is not true), not to mention the ever complaining of the discrimination of straight white men (which is grossly untrue). What about those group of men most certainly ones who vote republican and are trump supporters who call others snowflake yet, they themselves complain for the very same grievances they poke fun about on others.

You can be rest assured the Dems do not view their base as equals.

Neither do republicans. Trump for example knows his base is not intellectually sound and he treats them that way. If Bernie Sanders said "I can shoot someone on 6th avenue and I'd still would have people to vote for me" or something to that affect, I'd stop my support of him right there. Regardless whether he was keeping it real, joking or being serious it definitely means that a candidate who can make such a remark does not respect my vote and confidence and assumes that I'm some sort of automaton. This is why politically, the left pokes fun at the Trump base because Trump continually makes fun at his own base and that the republicans knowing his antics do knowing about it nor show any backbone.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He's only considered a left-wing extremist by right-wing extremists who want to distance themselves from him. Hitler sometimes gets the same treatment.

If you can't see the differences in ideology and applications, I don't know what to say. At first glance they look really no different, and the results were pretty much about the same, but very clearly their motives and goals where different. At best and most, we can say is there really was scant resemblance between Lenin and Marx, and less so with Stalin.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

No the left are the ones that wanted to maintain Jim Crow back in the 60s. Check out the archive in the Library of Congress who actually supported Jim Crow in those who were against which so happened to be the right.

Oh yeah, you definitely never took political science and most likely take this garbage from the very idiots who also believed that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

She has a beautiful way of putting things in ahem 'non racist' words, “We don’t need any more Brown faces that don’t want to be a Brown voice” I think there was a word for people of color in those days who came across as sellouts....

I can speak on this because I'm a black man speaking on my own demographic. There are African-Americans that support and regurgitate white supremacist rhetoric. There are Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, that all do this. Many of them are brown and black faces that believe we live in a post-racial society and seek to negate the experiences of others because "they don't see it." Often times people of color of this kind are often times considered "sell outs" in the sense that they seek to negate my experiences or the experiences of others as a farce something that many white nationalist talking points tend to do. So yes, we don't need these people to come to an "old table" to tell me and those that experience systemic racism as well as injustice that the way the system is does not need to change.

Oh the left is racist alright. They just change the flags now and again with whatever they think is going to benefit them.

Robert Lee himself said to lock the flag up and to never unfurl it, but ironically many white supremacists and racist have used the confederate flag not for historical purposes but to tell me that this flag is in support of the men who also supported slavery and institutional racism. This so-called Rebel flag is not about "white culture" its about a culture of men who sought to enslave and dehumanize people of color and yet you think that taking does a flag with negative connotations is racist? What world do you live in? Yeah you do seem like one of those oppressed white males who are not with reality.

 

[Prometheus85]

It's very naive to believe people are who they say they are.

David Duke for instance, while a racist pos, is honest about it. He doesn't sneak around. He is open about who he is for right or wrong.

Someone looking to manipulate and control people will do it from the shadows, with subtetly.

It's obvious you aren't gonna change your mind. And I am not trying to change it. But this is the way myself, and many others see the how the Dems work.

And it’s obviously you know nothing about American History. And besides, I thought the democrats were the party of the kkk? David duke is the kkk. Why is he not supporting the democrats?

 

[Prometheus85]

Oh yeah, you definitely never took political science and most likely take this garbage from the very idiots who also believed that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.



I can speak on this because I'm a black man speaking on my own demographic. There are African-Americans that support and regurgitate white supremacist rhetoric. There are Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, that all do this. Many of them are brown and black faces that believe we live in a post-racial society and seek to negate the experiences of others because "they don't see it." Often times people of color of this kind are often times considered "sell outs" in the sense that they seek to negate my experiences or the experiences of others as a farce something that many white nationalist talking points tend to do. So yes, we don't need these people to come to an "old table" to tell me and those that experience systemic racism as well as injustice that the way the system is does not need to change.



Robert Lee himself said to lock the flag up and to never unfurl it, but ironically many white supremacists and racist have used the confederate flag not for historical purposes but to tell me that this flag is in support of the men who also supported slavery and institutional racism. This so-called Rebel flag is not about "white culture" its about a culture of men who sought to enslave and dehumanize people of color and yet you think that taking does a flag with negative connotations is racist? What world do you live in? Yeah you do seem like one of those oppressed white males who are not with reality.

And it’s always republicans and conservatives defending the confederate flag. The flag of socialism

 

[Jollybear]

It's very naive to believe people are who they say they are.

David Duke for instance, while a racist pos, is honest about it. He doesn't sneak around. He is open about who he is for right or wrong.

Someone looking to manipulate and control people will do it from the shadows, with subtetly.

It's obvious you aren't gonna change your mind. And I am not trying to change it. But this is the way myself, and many others see the how the Dems work.

Nooooooo! Change prometheus's mind. Im hooting for you!

 

[Prometheus85]

Oh so ideas dont get passed down to the next generation? People die, not ideas.

Oh, cool! So, the descendants of founders of the KKK voted put a Obama in White House and voted for Hillary Clinton?

 

[Enoch07]

Trump for example knows his base is not intellectually sound and he treats them that way. I

Don't disagree with necessarily on a a lot of what you said. But I do disagree with this. But I understand why you feel this way.

If Bernie Sanders said "I can shoot someone on 6th avenue and I'd still would have people to vote for me" or something to that affect, I'd stop my support of him right there.

So you don't support Nacy Pelosi then? For saying about AOC that "A glass of water with the letter D on it could win her district."? The Dems feel like some of their base would vote for them regardless as well. They just haven't put it in such oafish language as the orange man.

 

[Valjean]

It certainly hasn't always fought for democracy and human rights, they were for the milk-blooded pinko fops

LOL! What the heck is a milk-blooded pinko fop?
I suppose this reflects the right's admiration for toughness and aggression, somehow.

Not really either. Liberal conservatives could be quite reform minded

Conservatives are generally against reform, being conservative and all, but I'm assuming the reforms supported by these liberal conservatives were, well... liberal, ie: left wing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are African-Americans that support and regurgitate white supremacist rhetoric. There are Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, that all do this.

Wwwwwwwwhhhhhhaaaaa???????
*sorry. with some of the things I've read here lately, I couldn't help myself*

 

[Valjean]

Thats just a plain outright lie completely fabricated by the left. Only three Democrats (Dixiecrats) switched to the Republicans. Unless of course you think three people completely comprised the Democrat party back in the day.

As far as recent Democrats go, racism is still alive and well, you could just say they changed flags, but kept the same playbook.

You're either delusional or trolling.