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The difference between a living person and a dead person

peacecrusader888

Active Member
20111115.0020

What is the difference between a living person who is attending a wake (nakikipaglamay), and a dead person who is in the coffin and being waked upon (pinaglalamayan)?
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
20111116.1850

Did you know that difference between a living person and a dead person is the soul? The soul of a living person is still in his physical body whereas the soul of a dead person has already departed from his physical body.

Genesis 2:7 states, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” The dust of the ground is lifeless, inanimate. The breath from God made man moved and this is what gave life.

The dust of the ground will go back to the ground, that is why, Genesis 3:19 says, “for out of it [ground] was thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” From dust to dust.

What happens to the soul? It will go back to God. Hence Ecclesiastes 12:7 states, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
 
Yes but people do not understand the spirit. God is not done creating man in His image. That has yet to happen. The son of man is the only one created in Gods image.

Scripture has it;

"The only one who's gone up to heaven is the One who came down from there, the son of man."

"Observe what is right and do what is just, for my salvation is about to come my justice about to be revealed, blessed is the man who does this, the son of man who holds to it".

" Do what is right and just." Didn't your father eat and drink? He did what was right and just, and it went well with him.
Because he dispensed justice to the weak and the poor, it went well with him. Is this not true knowledge of me? says the LORD.

I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
Everything that the Lord gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.
Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood possesses eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is honest drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the Lord who sent me has life so too do I have life because of the Lord, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
Whoever eats this bread will live forever.

It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is useless. The words I spoke to you are spirit and life.

My teaching is not my own it comes from the one who sent me.
Whoever chooses to do his will shall know about this teaching namely, whether it comes from God or whether I‘m speaking on my own.
Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory, but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him is truthful, and there is no dishonesty in his heart.

Jesus and I are One, He sent His followers into the world as He was sent, with the same message and purpose.
 

SCHIZO

Active Member
20111116.1850

Did you know that difference between a living person and a dead person is the soul? The soul of a living person is still in his physical body whereas the soul of a dead person has already departed from his physical body.

Genesis 2:7 states, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” The dust of the ground is lifeless, inanimate. The breath from God made man moved and this is what gave life.

The dust of the ground will go back to the ground, that is why, Genesis 3:19 says, “for out of it [ground] was thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” From dust to dust.

What happens to the soul? It will go back to God. Hence Ecclesiastes 12:7 states, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”

Why does the soul have to exist inside the physical body? Because that is how you are connected with it? "It's mine, I'm here, my soul must be with me also."? Where is the soul if it is inside my physical body? I can't cut myself open and find a soul there. There is no proof that a soul resides within a physical body. For all I know my soul could be with God. I receive my soul after death. I come into union with my soul after death.
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
The biggest difference is that the soul of a "dead person" has finished its pilgrimage through the world, the valley of tears, and no resides in Heaven or Hell.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The Living soul comes from God
On Death the Soul returns to God.

There is no Hell
Every one has the opportunity to repent and their sins forgiven.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Nay to all postings so far....

The disciple said....
'let me linger here a few days, as my father has passed....'

And He said....
'Follow Me...and let the dead bury the dead.'

Obviously there is a 'quality' not yet addressed.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
20111116.1850

Did you know that difference between a living person and a dead person is the soul? The soul of a living person is still in his physical body whereas the soul of a dead person has already departed from his physical body.

the hebrew scriptures advise us that the living body is the soul (heb. nephesh) and they also tell us that the 'soul' can die.
Ezekiel 18:4 The soul that is sinning—it itself will die

Genesis 2:7 states, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” The dust of the ground is lifeless, inanimate. The breath from God made man moved and this is what gave life.

The dust of the ground will go back to the ground, that is why, Genesis 3:19 says, “for out of it [ground] was thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” From dust to dust.

What happens to the soul? It will go back to God. Hence Ecclesiastes 12:7 states, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Solomon explained his belief that both man and animals return to the same place...back to the dust. He made the comparison to animals then said that 'there is no superiority of the man over the beast' because we dont go onto another place when we die....our spirit goes out and ends just as it does with animals...

Eccl 3:19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

the 'spirit' to the hebrew (ruach) had the basic meaning of ones 'breath'...it is the lifeforce given to us by God. But its not a conscious part of us... our spirit is what powers our body and when that body dies, the spirit simply dissipates along with the body. It is said to return to God because he was the bodies source of power.
 

Spear Hunter

New Member
I agree with MoonGrizzly. When you watch someone die you can tell, I think,that the spirit has left. It's like you can detect a change in the persons energy. Don't know any better way to describe it.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
20111210.1010

@Pegg

How can the soul die? If the physical body “dies”, does the soul die with it? I don't think so as explained to us by the Holy Spirit who we talk to. The soul returns to God from where it came as stated in Ecclesiastes 12:7. Then it will live for eternity—either in Heaven or in Hell. The Hell is described as the second death (Revelation 20:14) where the souls that the devil deceived “shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
20111210.1010

@Pegg

How can the soul die? If the physical body “dies”, does the soul die with it? I don't think so as explained to us by the Holy Spirit who we talk to. The soul returns to God from where it came as stated in Ecclesiastes 12:7. Then it will live for eternity—either in Heaven or in Hell. The Hell is described as the second death (Revelation 20:14) where the souls that the devil deceived “shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

you may have never been taught what the hebrew word means which is translated 'soul'?

I've come to learn that there are many teachings from churchs which are not in harmony with the scriptures.

Ezekiel 18:4 "The soul that is sinning, it itself will die"


The bible is vastly different to the teachings heard in churches. I would put my trust in Gods word....there is a hope for the dead, but it is not living on as a spirit forever...it is something far better.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
you may have never been taught what the hebrew word means which is translated 'soul'?

I've come to learn that there are many teachings from churchs which are not in harmony with the scriptures.

Ezekiel 18:4 "The soul that is sinning, it itself will die"


The bible is vastly different to the teachings heard in churches. I would put my trust in Gods word....there is a hope for the dead, but it is not living on as a spirit forever...it is something far better.

Would you like to expand on this?

I always thought...spirit is spirit...flesh is flesh.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Would you like to expand on this?

I always thought...spirit is spirit...flesh is flesh.


according to the hebrew word, the spirit is the 'ruach' it means 'breath' when the subject is speaking of 'life'

So in terms of man, when the bible speaks of mans spirit, it is talking about the life force within him....it is only seen by the breath in mankind. Once that breath stops, life ceases because the spirit/breath is gone.

the breath is the force that keeps feeding oxygen to our soul/body. If the breath stops, then the oxygen stops, the cells of the body/soul die and life ends. The only one who can restore a persons life is God because God is the one who gives 'breath' (spirit/ruach) to mankind. He can give us our life back if he chooses to just as Jesus was able to raise people from the dead, he had the power to put the breath/spirit back into them and their body/soul came back to life.

That is what is promised to all who have died....a resurrection from the dead. God can bring us back to life, he can restore life to us and that is what he promises to do

Isaiah 26:19 “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth]

John 11:24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”

John 11:25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life
 
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Protester

Active Member
Would you like to expand on this?

I always thought...spirit is spirit...flesh is flesh.

Really one of the better definitions of Spirit can be found in the 1859 American Tract Dictionary

SPIRIT
A word employed in various senses in Scripture.
1. For THE HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT, the third person of the Holy Trinity, who inspired the prophets, animates good men, pours his unction into our hearts, imparts to us life and comfort; and in whose name we are baptized and blessed, as well as in that of the Father and the Son. When the adjective Holy is applied to the term Spirit, we should always understand it as here explained; but there are many places whether it must be taken in this sense, although the term Holy is omitted. See HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT.
2. BREATH, respiration; or the principle of animal life, common to men and animal: this God has given, and this he recalls when he takes away life, Ec 3:21. See SOUL.
3. The RATIONAL SOUL which animates us, and preserves its being after the death of the body. That spiritual, reasoning, and choosing substance, which is capable of eternal happiness. See SOUL.
The "spirits in prison," 1Pe 3:19, it is generally thought, are the souls of antediluvian sinners now reserved unto the judgment-day, but unto whom the Spirit preached by the agency of Noah, etc., 2Pe 2:5, when they were in the flesh. Thus Christ "preached" to the Ephesians, whom he never visited in person, Eph 2:17.
4. An ANGEL, good or bad; a soul separate from the body, Mr 14:26. It is said, Ac 23:8, that the Sadducees denied the existence of angels and spirits. Christ, appearing to his disciples, said to them, Lu 24:39, "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
5. The DISPOSITION of the mind or intellect. Thus we read of a spirit of jealously, a spirit of fornication, a spirit of prayer, a spirit of infirmity, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of fear of the Lord, Ho 4:12 Zec 12:10 Lu 13:11 Isa 11:2.
6. The RENEWED NATURE of true believers, which is produced by the Holy Spirit, and conforms the soul to his likeness. Spirit is thus the opposite of flesh, Joh 3:6. This spirit is virally united with, an in some passages can hardly be distinguished from the "Spirit of Christ," which animates true Christians, the children of God, and distinguishes them from the children of darkness, who are animated by the spirit of the world, Ro 8:1-16. This indwelling Spirit is the gift of grace, of adoption-the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts-which emboldens us to call God "Abba, my Father." Those who are influenced by this Spirit "have crucified the flesh, with its affections and lusts," Ga 5:16-25.
"Distinguishing or discerning of spirits" consisted in discerning whether a man were really inspired by the Spirit of God, or was a false prophet, an impostor, who only followed the impulse of his own spirit or of Satan. Paul speaks, 1Co 12:10 of the discerning of spirits as being among the miraculous gifts granted by God to the faithful at the first settlement of Christianity.
To "quench the Spirit," 1Th 5:19, is a metaphorical expression easily understood. The Spirit may be quenched by forcing, as it were, that divine Agent to withdraw from us, by irregularity of life, frivolity, avarice, negligence, or other sins contrary to charity, truth, peace, and his other gifts and qualifications.
We "grieve" the Spirit of God by withstanding his holy inspirations, the impulses of his grace; or by living in a lukewarm and incautious manner; by despising his gifts, or neglecting them; by abusing his favors, either out of vanity, curiosity, or indifference. In a contrary sense, 2Ti 1:6, we "stir up" the Spirit of God which is in us, by the practice of virtue, by compliance with his inspirations, by fervor in his service, by renewing our gratitude, and by diligently serving Christ and doing the works of the Spirit.
(American Tract Society Bible Dictionary)


Luke 24
38He said to them, "“Why are you troubled? Why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”" 40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41While they still didn’t believe for joy, and wondered, he said to them, "“Do you have anything here to eat?”"

42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43He took them, and ate in front of them. 44He said to them, "“This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled.”"
---World English Bible

Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary

39-43. Behold, &c.—lovingly offering them both ocular and tangible demonstration of the reality of His resurrection.
a spirit hath not—an important statement regarding "spirits."
flesh and bones—He says not "flesh and blood"; for the blood is the life of the animal and corruptible body (Ge 9:4), which "cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1Co 15:50); but "flesh and bones," implying the identity, but with diversity of laws, of the resurrection body. (See on Joh20:24).

The our resurrected body will be recognizable as us, but it will also be glorified in ways we don't understand now. We won't have blood, but we will have flesh and bone, as the JFB commentary pointed out, and these bodies will be able to go from one place to another instantly. These bodies will be indestructible. This is why the fate of the unbeliever is so terrible, he will suffer in hell for eternity because for one thing he will have an indestructible body.

John 20
11I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. 12I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. 14Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire
.---World English Bible

Barnes Commentary

Revelation of John 20:15:
Verse 15 And whosoever. All persons, of all ranks, ages, and conditions. No word could be more comprehensive than this. The single condition here stated, as being that which would save any from being cast into the lake of fire, is, that they are "found written in the book of life." All besides these--princes, kings, nobles, philosophers, statesmen, conquerors; rich men and poor men; the bond and the free; the young and the aged; the gay, the vain, the proud, and the sober; the modest and the humble--will be doomed to the lake of fire. Unlike in all other things, they will be alike in the only thing on which their eternal destiny will depend--that they have not so lived that their names have become recorded in the book of life. As they will also be destitute of true religion, there will be a propriety that they shall share the same doom in the future world.

Written in the book of life. Rev 3:5.

Was cast into the lake of fire. Mt 25:41. That is, they will be doomed to a punishment which will be well represented by their lingering in a sea of fire for ever. This is the termination of the judgment; the winding up of the affairs of men. The vision of John here rests for a moment on the doom of the wicked, and then turns to a more full contemplation of the happy lot of the righteous as detailed in the two closing chapters of the book.

(d.)--Condition of things referred to in Rev 20:11-15.

(1.) There will be a general resurrection of the dead--of the righteous and the wicked. This is implied by the statement that the "dead, small and great," were seen to stand before God; that "the sea gave up the dead which were in it;" that "Death and Hades gave up their dead." All were there whose names were or were not written in the book of life.

(2.) There will be a solemn and impartial judgment. How long a time this will occupy is not said, and is not necessary to be known-- for time is of no consequence where there is an eternity of devotion; but it is said that they will all be judged "according to their works"--that is, strictly according to their character. They will receive no arbitrary doom; they will have no sentence which will not be just. See Mt 25:31-46.

(3.) This will be the final judgment. After this, the affairs of the race will be put on a different footing. This will be the end of the present arrangements; the end of the present dispensations; the end of human probation. The great question to be determined in regard to our, world will have been settled; what the plan of redemption was intended; to accomplish on the earth will have been accomplished; the agency of the Divine Spirit in converting sinners will have come to an end; and the means of grace, as such, will be employed no more. There is not here or elsewhere an intimation that beyond this period any of these things will exist, or that the work of redemption, as such, will extend into the world beyond the judgment. As there is no intimation that the condition of the righteous will be changed, so there is none that the condition of the wicked will be; as there is no hint that the righteous will ever be exposed to temptation, or to the danger of falling into sin, so there is none that the offers of salvation will ever again be made to the wicked. . . . Rev 22:11.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Really one of the better definitions of Spirit can be found in the 1859 American Tract Dictionary

SPIRIT
A word employed in various senses in Scripture.
1. For THE HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT, the third person of the Holy Trinity, who inspired the prophets, animates good men, pours his unction into our hearts, imparts to us life and comfort; and in whose name we are baptized and blessed, as well as in that of the Father and the Son. When the adjective Holy is applied to the term Spirit, we should always understand it as here explained; but there are many places whether it must be taken in this sense, although the term Holy is omitted. See HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT.
2. BREATH, respiration; or the principle of animal life, common to men and animal: this God has given, and this he recalls when he takes away life, Ec 3:21. See SOUL.
3. The RATIONAL SOUL which animates us, and preserves its being after the death of the body. That spiritual, reasoning, and choosing substance, which is capable of eternal happiness. See SOUL.
The "spirits in prison," 1Pe 3:19, it is generally thought, are the souls of antediluvian sinners now reserved unto the judgment-day, but unto whom the Spirit preached by the agency of Noah, etc., 2Pe 2:5, when they were in the flesh. Thus Christ "preached" to the Ephesians, whom he never visited in person, Eph 2:17.
4. An ANGEL, good or bad; a soul separate from the body, Mr 14:26. It is said, Ac 23:8, that the Sadducees denied the existence of angels and spirits. Christ, appearing to his disciples, said to them, Lu 24:39, "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
5. The DISPOSITION of the mind or intellect. Thus we read of a spirit of jealously, a spirit of fornication, a spirit of prayer, a spirit of infirmity, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of fear of the Lord, Ho 4:12 Zec 12:10 Lu 13:11 Isa 11:2.
6. The RENEWED NATURE of true believers, which is produced by the Holy Spirit, and conforms the soul to his likeness. Spirit is thus the opposite of flesh, Joh 3:6. This spirit is virally united with, an in some passages can hardly be distinguished from the "Spirit of Christ," which animates true Christians, the children of God, and distinguishes them from the children of darkness, who are animated by the spirit of the world, Ro 8:1-16. This indwelling Spirit is the gift of grace, of adoption-the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts-which emboldens us to call God "Abba, my Father." Those who are influenced by this Spirit "have crucified the flesh, with its affections and lusts," Ga 5:16-25.
"Distinguishing or discerning of spirits" consisted in discerning whether a man were really inspired by the Spirit of God, or was a false prophet, an impostor, who only followed the impulse of his own spirit or of Satan. Paul speaks, 1Co 12:10 of the discerning of spirits as being among the miraculous gifts granted by God to the faithful at the first settlement of Christianity.
To "quench the Spirit," 1Th 5:19, is a metaphorical expression easily understood. The Spirit may be quenched by forcing, as it were, that divine Agent to withdraw from us, by irregularity of life, frivolity, avarice, negligence, or other sins contrary to charity, truth, peace, and his other gifts and qualifications.
We "grieve" the Spirit of God by withstanding his holy inspirations, the impulses of his grace; or by living in a lukewarm and incautious manner; by despising his gifts, or neglecting them; by abusing his favors, either out of vanity, curiosity, or indifference. In a contrary sense, 2Ti 1:6, we "stir up" the Spirit of God which is in us, by the practice of virtue, by compliance with his inspirations, by fervor in his service, by renewing our gratitude, and by diligently serving Christ and doing the works of the Spirit.
(American Tract Society Bible Dictionary)


Luke 24
38He said to them, "“Why are you troubled? Why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”" 40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41While they still didn’t believe for joy, and wondered, he said to them, "“Do you have anything here to eat?”"

42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43He took them, and ate in front of them. 44He said to them, "“This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled.”"
---World English Bible

Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary

39-43. Behold, &c.—lovingly offering them both ocular and tangible demonstration of the reality of His resurrection.
a spirit hath not—an important statement regarding "spirits."
flesh and bones—He says not "flesh and blood"; for the blood is the life of the animal and corruptible body (Ge 9:4), which "cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1Co 15:50); but "flesh and bones," implying the identity, but with diversity of laws, of the resurrection body. (See on Joh20:24).

The our resurrected body will be recognizable as us, but it will also be glorified in ways we don't understand now. We won't have blood, but we will have flesh and bone, as the JFB commentary pointed out, and these bodies will be able to go from one place to another instantly. These bodies will be indestructible. This is why the fate of the unbeliever is so terrible, he will suffer in hell for eternity because for one thing he will have an indestructible body.

John 20
11I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. 12I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. 14Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire
.---World English Bible

Barnes Commentary

Revelation of John 20:15:
Verse 15 And whosoever. All persons, of all ranks, ages, and conditions. No word could be more comprehensive than this. The single condition here stated, as being that which would save any from being cast into the lake of fire, is, that they are "found written in the book of life." All besides these--princes, kings, nobles, philosophers, statesmen, conquerors; rich men and poor men; the bond and the free; the young and the aged; the gay, the vain, the proud, and the sober; the modest and the humble--will be doomed to the lake of fire. Unlike in all other things, they will be alike in the only thing on which their eternal destiny will depend--that they have not so lived that their names have become recorded in the book of life. As they will also be destitute of true religion, there will be a propriety that they shall share the same doom in the future world.

Written in the book of life. Rev 3:5.

Was cast into the lake of fire. Mt 25:41. That is, they will be doomed to a punishment which will be well represented by their lingering in a sea of fire for ever. This is the termination of the judgment; the winding up of the affairs of men. The vision of John here rests for a moment on the doom of the wicked, and then turns to a more full contemplation of the happy lot of the righteous as detailed in the two closing chapters of the book.

(d.)--Condition of things referred to in Rev 20:11-15.

(1.) There will be a general resurrection of the dead--of the righteous and the wicked. This is implied by the statement that the "dead, small and great," were seen to stand before God; that "the sea gave up the dead which were in it;" that "Death and Hades gave up their dead." All were there whose names were or were not written in the book of life.

(2.) There will be a solemn and impartial judgment. How long a time this will occupy is not said, and is not necessary to be known-- for time is of no consequence where there is an eternity of devotion; but it is said that they will all be judged "according to their works"--that is, strictly according to their character. They will receive no arbitrary doom; they will have no sentence which will not be just. See Mt 25:31-46.

(3.) This will be the final judgment. After this, the affairs of the race will be put on a different footing. This will be the end of the present arrangements; the end of the present dispensations; the end of human probation. The great question to be determined in regard to our, world will have been settled; what the plan of redemption was intended; to accomplish on the earth will have been accomplished; the agency of the Divine Spirit in converting sinners will have come to an end; and the means of grace, as such, will be employed no more. There is not here or elsewhere an intimation that beyond this period any of these things will exist, or that the work of redemption, as such, will extend into the world beyond the judgment. As there is no intimation that the condition of the righteous will be changed, so there is none that the condition of the wicked will be; as there is no hint that the righteous will ever be exposed to temptation, or to the danger of falling into sin, so there is none that the offers of salvation will ever again be made to the wicked. . . . Rev 22:11.

You crossed over several lines drawn.....
So I highlighted in red...what I lean toward.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
according to the hebrew word, the spirit is the 'ruach' it means 'breath' when the subject is speaking of 'life'

So in terms of man, when the bible speaks of mans spirit, it is talking about the life force within him....it is only seen by the breath in mankind. Once that breath stops, life ceases because the spirit/breath is gone.

You complicate things unnecessarily .. it's clear from studying the OT, NT & Qur'an that there is our physical existence and a 'higher' spiritual one.
ie. soul & spirit are interchangable in this context
We do not spiritually die .. our souls are eternal as is Almighty God

"Surely! We belong to God, and to Him we will return!"
 
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