The "Doctrine of no self/soul"?

[zenzero]

Friends,

What have understood from readings of meditators is that one has to be *enlightened* is some life and then for the last time take birth consciously after which there is no more births.
The last two bulls refer to that when the person comes back to the market to existence consciously and that consciousness spreads all around for others to be enlightened.

Love & rgds

 

[DreadFish]

Friends,

What have understood from readings of meditators is that one has to be *enlightened* is some life and then for the last time take birth consciously after which there is no more births.
The last two bulls refer to that when the person comes back to the market to existence consciously and that consciousness spreads all around for others to be enlightened.

Love & rgds

You may be right. Im not discounting what you have said, but I have also read that the part talking about returning the the marketplace and how 'everyone he looks at becomes enlightened' or any variable of that is talking about how when one wakes up to enlightenment, they realize the buddha-nature of everything; so everyone he sees, he realizes they are already enlightened.

Just another idea.

 

[Akshara Dasa]

From the Theravadin standpoint, the doctrine of no-self or Anatta is the philosophy that states that one cant find a perminate self within one of the aggrigates, or anywhere within existence. You must first look at the environment Buddha was in and see what he used as "self". What he meant by self was a perminant, unchanging, self. One that was always there and always stayed the same. With Buddha's deep view of the world, he said that there is nothing like that. Consciousness is always Conscious of something, therefore it changes depending on the object. Mental Formations (thoughts, ideas, opinions, etc) are always chinging, your perception or decrimination of certain objects change with every new object, your senses are changing with every object and your form is always changing. Therefore, Buddha said, where is the self? But, Buddha also never said that there was no-self, and saying that will leave the contemplater of this confused and perhaps upset. This will only lead to more wrong views. So, dont stay within self or no-self. But in the middle. That is also apart of the Middle Path.