the earth is 13,000 years old not 6,000 right

[fenrisx]

every other method including all carbon and acid dating can be proven wrong just like carbon 14 dating if you are looking to prove an old earth in your mind you can do it ! if you are looking to find a young earth you can also find it, twenty years after mt. st. helens blew its top scientist started finding fossilized objects trees and such they said when the volcano blew it released a chemical prematurily fossilizing the objects hello cant god have done that during the great flood the whole planet would seem vary old is it really that easy wow wake up smart guy smell the real truth god dont mind if you try !!

how do you account for Hindu and such civilzations being older than your claims?

 

[camanintx]

if you are looking to find a young earth you can also find it, twenty years after mt. st. helens blew its top scientist started finding fossilized objects trees and such they said when the volcano blew it released a chemical prematurily fossilizing the objects

Except this doesn't explain other evidence like wildfires and footprints that couldn't have appeared in the geological record along side these fossils if there was a global flood.

 

[csa_ap_hill]

Using scripture a day with the lord is 1000 years no it doesn't just mean that equation is for prophecy it also means it's used for creation.
So yes I subscribe to the earth is at least 13,000 years old maybe more giving some of the artifacts they have found. OR even more if one wants to look at a possible Gap theory of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. This is why science does age bones at millions of years old rather than just thousands.
OK, I get it the younger earth crowd will beat me senseless with just how wrong I am, but using critical thinking and not just going the flow because they of course know better than I. I've read scripture and using it and not preachers as my guide plus researching all I can, using whatever resources are available and oh yeah asking the holy spirit, and no not devils or ministering spirits, as a lot of critics of mine have said, but the actual holy spirit to be my guide I come to the conclusion that the Earth has to be a bit or a lot older than the mainstream belief, but far less than the Science beliefs.
I first came to the lord with a genuine belief and wanting to learn all I could about the truth, and not wanting to just go the flow because the preacher said to do so. Meaning just because Haggy and whoever else says this is so doesn't mean it is. I questioned things growing up and asked why do people do this or act this way. Being told this was wrong or that and why they said so. Was it because it was or was it just because it's always been that way. Saying God damnit and being told to not take the lord's name in vain was this true or was it poppycock? I even told my grandma once and sorry if you're offended don't even scold me you will get an argument from me and you won't like it. But I even argued with my grandma once when I said oh God out loud or oh geez over something I don't even remember now. But I said to her I didn't, and her eyes just glazed over like I'd spoken Japanese or something. But over the years before her death, I did try to just not say anything rather than argue. but it is poppycock. Saying god damnit has nothing to do with taking the lord's name in vain. Doing that means being baptized in vain as in not just do lip service but actually do something. Not works so don't go there, but do something as in actually trying to win a soul or two.
But that's what I mean most of what that has been taught is crap!
So yeah I came actually wanting to know truth and not be whitewashed so that is why I believe in and what I do. Plus while reading scripture I could not see how Cain went and made cities had thousands or millions of kids along with other people grew great empires conquered lands, etc... And do all this in just 1000 years or so before the flood. And yes scripture doesn't say that but while reading it as in Cain went to some land and built cities where'd this land come from in the first place plus all the Geneology stuff it talks about and their ages one does form images and pictures in their mind of all what I said happening. If not your not really real or making much of an effort and or just too scared to question or something, or make unquestioned blanks or don't want to know.
Whatever! if you didn't I did and with that said I have a hard time believing that all that happened in just a few thousand years. Plus you get into all the ages they lived, and YES I know of the overlap BS but yet again if you didn't ask how long Adam was alive and or if he'd even aged in Eden then....? But if he didn't age but for argument's sake lets say he was there a few thousand years already even if he didn't show age he the earth at that point would have had to have been whatever time it took to get to whatever point that Adam was expelled out of Eden, plus it's never answered how long out of Eden they were before they had Able, or how long before Cain came along you all assume it was just a second in time or so... So yeah bs to the overlap. Just doing strat math the first 3 generations after Adam is 2700 years, and from some research, I've done the flood didn't happen until at least Lamech died so... yeah it can't be overlap.
Now for the ones who would claim "well they were healthier bigger stronger" etc... Duh, but one can't do all the things they had to have done in such small periods of time.
So yeah I put all that I was taught aside while reading and if what I read matched up then that got put back in, but for the most part, most of it was poppycock.
So yeah taking the 1000 years with god equals one day with us equation, if you use that then, each day of creation took 1000 years of our or earth's time. which would be 6,000 years a 1000 years Break or Sabbath that makes 7k years then 6k more years since. makes it at least 13k years old or more.
But then begin to add in a Gap theory then who knows.
No! chiming in telling me just how wrong I am will not serve you. I've done my homework, and yes I am sure I have absolutely read scripture through three times now, so yeah!

 

[gnostic]

You never step in the same river twice.

- Heraclitus

No, I have fallen into the same one, twice.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Greetings!
Such advanced math is beyond me.
I just know the world is older than dirt.

And there's a star older than the universe. That should blow your mind. *grin*

 

[Father Heathen]

Using scripture a day with the lord is 1000 years no it doesn't just mean that equation is for prophecy it also means it's used for creation.
So yes I subscribe to the earth is at least 13,000 years old maybe more giving some of the artifacts they have found. OR even more if one wants to look at a possible Gap theory of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. This is why science does age bones at millions of years old rather than just thousands.
OK, I get it the younger earth crowd will beat me senseless with just how wrong I am, but using critical thinking and not just going the flow because they of course know better than I. I've read scripture and using it and not preachers as my guide plus researching all I can, using whatever resources are available and oh yeah asking the holy spirit, and no not devils or ministering spirits, as a lot of critics of mine have said, but the actual holy spirit to be my guide I come to the conclusion that the Earth has to be a bit or a lot older than the mainstream belief, but far less than the Science beliefs.
I first came to the lord with a genuine belief and wanting to learn all I could about the truth, and not wanting to just go the flow because the preacher said to do so. Meaning just because Haggy and whoever else says this is so doesn't mean it is. I questioned things growing up and asked why do people do this or act this way. Being told this was wrong or that and why they said so. Was it because it was or was it just because it's always been that way. Saying God damnit and being told to not take the lord's name in vain was this true or was it poppycock? I even told my grandma once and sorry if you're offended don't even scold me you will get an argument from me and you won't like it. But I even argued with my grandma once when I said oh God out loud or oh geez over something I don't even remember now. But I said to her I didn't, and her eyes just glazed over like I'd spoken Japanese or something. But over the years before her death, I did try to just not say anything rather than argue. but it is poppycock. Saying god damnit has nothing to do with taking the lord's name in vain. Doing that means being baptized in vain as in not just do lip service but actually do something. Not works so don't go there, but do something as in actually trying to win a soul or two.
But that's what I mean most of what that has been taught is crap!
So yeah I came actually wanting to know truth and not be whitewashed so that is why I believe in and what I do. Plus while reading scripture I could not see how Cain went and made cities had thousands or millions of kids along with other people grew great empires conquered lands, etc... And do all this in just 1000 years or so before the flood. And yes scripture doesn't say that but while reading it as in Cain went to some land and built cities where'd this land come from in the first place plus all the Geneology stuff it talks about and their ages one does form images and pictures in their mind of all what I said happening. If not your not really real or making much of an effort and or just too scared to question or something, or make unquestioned blanks or don't want to know.
Whatever! if you didn't I did and with that said I have a hard time believing that all that happened in just a few thousand years. Plus you get into all the ages they lived, and YES I know of the overlap BS but yet again if you didn't ask how long Adam was alive and or if he'd even aged in Eden then....? But if he didn't age but for argument's sake lets say he was there a few thousand years already even if he didn't show age he the earth at that point would have had to have been whatever time it took to get to whatever point that Adam was expelled out of Eden, plus it's never answered how long out of Eden they were before they had Able, or how long before Cain came along you all assume it was just a second in time or so... So yeah bs to the overlap. Just doing strat math the first 3 generations after Adam is 2700 years, and from some research, I've done the flood didn't happen until at least Lamech died so... yeah it can't be overlap.
Now for the ones who would claim "well they were healthier bigger stronger" etc... Duh, but one can't do all the things they had to have done in such small periods of time.
So yeah I put all that I was taught aside while reading and if what I read matched up then that got put back in, but for the most part, most of it was poppycock.
So yeah taking the 1000 years with god equals one day with us equation, if you use that then, each day of creation took 1000 years of our or earth's time. which would be 6,000 years a 1000 years Break or Sabbath that makes 7k years then 6k more years since. makes it at least 13k years old or more.
But then begin to add in a Gap theory then who knows.
No! chiming in telling me just how wrong I am will not serve you. I've done my homework, and yes I am sure I have absolutely read scripture through three times now, so yeah!

So you've necroed an almost decade old thread to drop this delightful steamer.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Using scripture a day with the lord is 1000 years no it doesn't just mean that equation is for prophecy it also means it's used for creation.
So yes I subscribe to the earth is at least 13,000 years old maybe more giving some of the artifacts they have found. OR even more if one wants to look at a possible Gap theory of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. This is why science does age bones at millions of years old rather than just thousands.
OK, I get it the younger earth crowd will beat me senseless with just how wrong I am, but using critical thinking and not just going the flow because they of course know better than I. I've read scripture and using it and not preachers as my guide plus researching all I can, using whatever resources are available and oh yeah asking the holy spirit, and no not devils or ministering spirits, as a lot of critics of mine have said, but the actual holy spirit to be my guide I come to the conclusion that the Earth has to be a bit or a lot older than the mainstream belief, but far less than the Science beliefs.
I first came to the lord with a genuine belief and wanting to learn all I could about the truth, and not wanting to just go the flow because the preacher said to do so. Meaning just because Haggy and whoever else says this is so doesn't mean it is. I questioned things growing up and asked why do people do this or act this way. Being told this was wrong or that and why they said so. Was it because it was or was it just because it's always been that way. Saying God damnit and being told to not take the lord's name in vain was this true or was it poppycock? I even told my grandma once and sorry if you're offended don't even scold me you will get an argument from me and you won't like it. But I even argued with my grandma once when I said oh God out loud or oh geez over something I don't even remember now. But I said to her I didn't, and her eyes just glazed over like I'd spoken Japanese or something. But over the years before her death, I did try to just not say anything rather than argue. but it is poppycock. Saying god damnit has nothing to do with taking the lord's name in vain. Doing that means being baptized in vain as in not just do lip service but actually do something. Not works so don't go there, but do something as in actually trying to win a soul or two.
But that's what I mean most of what that has been taught is crap!
So yeah I came actually wanting to know truth and not be whitewashed so that is why I believe in and what I do. Plus while reading scripture I could not see how Cain went and made cities had thousands or millions of kids along with other people grew great empires conquered lands, etc... And do all this in just 1000 years or so before the flood. And yes scripture doesn't say that but while reading it as in Cain went to some land and built cities where'd this land come from in the first place plus all the Geneology stuff it talks about and their ages one does form images and pictures in their mind of all what I said happening. If not your not really real or making much of an effort and or just too scared to question or something, or make unquestioned blanks or don't want to know.
Whatever! if you didn't I did and with that said I have a hard time believing that all that happened in just a few thousand years. Plus you get into all the ages they lived, and YES I know of the overlap BS but yet again if you didn't ask how long Adam was alive and or if he'd even aged in Eden then....? But if he didn't age but for argument's sake lets say he was there a few thousand years already even if he didn't show age he the earth at that point would have had to have been whatever time it took to get to whatever point that Adam was expelled out of Eden, plus it's never answered how long out of Eden they were before they had Able, or how long before Cain came along you all assume it was just a second in time or so... So yeah bs to the overlap. Just doing strat math the first 3 generations after Adam is 2700 years, and from some research, I've done the flood didn't happen until at least Lamech died so... yeah it can't be overlap.
Now for the ones who would claim "well they were healthier bigger stronger" etc... Duh, but one can't do all the things they had to have done in such small periods of time.
So yeah I put all that I was taught aside while reading and if what I read matched up then that got put back in, but for the most part, most of it was poppycock.
So yeah taking the 1000 years with god equals one day with us equation, if you use that then, each day of creation took 1000 years of our or earth's time. which would be 6,000 years a 1000 years Break or Sabbath that makes 7k years then 6k more years since. makes it at least 13k years old or more.
But then begin to add in a Gap theory then who knows.
No! chiming in telling me just how wrong I am will not serve you. I've done my homework, and yes I am sure I have absolutely read scripture through three times now, so yeah!

Any particular reason you decided to revive a thread that has been dead for over nine years?

 

[shunyadragon]

i dont see how you can say the earth is 6,000 years old :no: if adam was created 6,000 years ago and he was created on the 6th day thats 6,000 more years that makes the earth between 12,000 and 13,000 years old right:help:

Add about four more zeros.

Threads never died, but some smell that way.

 

[paarsurrey]

i dont see how you can say the earth is 6,000 years old :no: if adam was created 6,000 years ago and he was created on the 6th day thats 6,000 more years that makes the earth between 12,000 and 13,000 years old right:help:

Please quote who said this. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Sandra Jayne]

labs all over the world keep telling us that carbon 14 dating is only accurate up to 500 years, also carbon 14 does not stay in anything longer than 100,000 years so how in the world can you accurately date anything older than 500 years, i've been watching the science channel i think all these so-called experts are accidently proving a young earth your right about 13,000 !!!!!!!

Far more sophisticated methods of dating now available, modern Uranium-series methods use decay chains and lasers to allow dating calculations to around 500,000 years.

 

[shunyadragon]

Far more sophisticated methods of dating now available, modern Uranium-series methods use decay chains and lasers to allow dating calculations to around 500,000 years.

Uranium and other radioactive dating methods go as old as 4.5 billion years old.

Radiometric Dating

 

[Sandra Jayne]

Uranium and other radioactive dating methods go a sold as 4.5 billion years old.

Radiometric Dating

Didn’t realise they could date back that far.

 

[gnostic]

Didn’t realise they could date back that far.

It is depending on if you are dating rocks or minerals.

There are only few places on Earth, where you can find rocks from the Hadean Eon: geological shields n Africa, Canada and Australia.

Hadean Eon (from 4.6 to 4.0 billion years ago) is the oldest of 3 divisions (eons) of the super-eon Precambrian (4.6 billion years ago to 541 million years ago. The other 2 eons being Archean and Proterozoic.

The oldest rock was discovered Acasta Gneiss, Slave craton, Canada, felsic rock dated to 4.031 ±0.003 billion years old.

On the other hand, crystal of mineral, like zircon are older.

The oldest zircon was discovered at Jack Hills in Western Australia, has been dated to 4.404 ±0.008 billion years old.

You cannot use carbon-14 isotopes in radiometric dating method, because they only have half-life of 5730 years, and only accurate dating objects of 55,000 years or less.

Hence, other radioactive isotopes must be used to dating anything older than 1 million year.

Potassium-40 (K-40), which is used in Potassium-Argon (K-Ar) radiometric dating, has half-life of 1.248 billion years. Therefore, it can date anything from 10,000 years to several billion of years.

Isotopes Uranium-235 and Uranium-238 (used in Uranium-Lead (U-Pb) radiometric) provide more accurate results than K-40. U-235 has a half-life of 710 million years, while U-238 has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.

All 3 isotopes can measure rocks or minerals of a billion years or more. I had mentioned these 3 isotopes because they are most commonly used in dating geological stratigraphy.

There are many more radioactive isotopes that can be used and a few have even longer half-life than U-238.

For examples, isotopes 147 and 148 of Samarium have respective half-life of 106 billion years and 10^17 years.

Radiometric datings, not only can date rocks and minerals on earth, but also moon rocks collected from the Apollo missions, and any meteorites that have crashed to Earth.

One famous meteorite crashed near the town of Murchison, Victoria, Australia, in 1969. The Murchison meteorite not only contained some organic compounds (eg amino acids), but also silicon carbide.

My point is that silicon carbide are rarely found natural on earth, but they are more abundant in space, like this Murchison meteorite, and it has been dated to over 7 billion years. This mean that Murchison meteorite is older than the Solar System, older than Earth!

 

[leroy]

What's your take on Potassium-Argon dating?

If I am allowed to use the atheist method, I can crash radiometric dating………..All I have to do is adopt a position of extreme skepticism, avoid the burden proof at all cost, and never affirm nor deny anything (just keep my arguments vague and ambiguous)

So can you show that potassium argon dating works?............. I won’t accept sources from “old earthers”

 

[shunyadragon]

If I am allowed to use the atheist method, I can crash radiometric dating………..All I have to do is adopt a position of extreme skepticism, avoid the burden proof at all cost, and never affirm nor deny anything (just keep my arguments vague and ambiguous)

So can you show that potassium argon dating works?............. I won’t accept sources from “old earthers”

Crash it? How? Document it with science.

Stone walling anti-science with a religious agenda is not a coherent response.

The radioactive decay rates for the elements involved with radiometric dating is objectively determined, and compared when dating by various methods.

 

[Valjean]

If I am allowed to use the atheist method, I can crash radiometric dating………..All I have to do is adopt a position of extreme skepticism, avoid the burden proof at all cost, and never affirm nor deny anything (just keep my arguments vague and ambiguous)

So can you show that potassium argon dating works?............. I won’t accept sources from “old earthers”

Atheists have a method?!
Skepticism-- good.
Avoiding the burden of proof? How does that apply to atheists? It's the theists and creationists making claims.
Why do you doubt radiometric dating? Please crash it. I'd like to see.

 

[ChristineM]

If I am allowed to use the atheist method, I can crash radiometric dating………..All I have to do is adopt a position of extreme skepticism, avoid the burden proof at all cost, and never affirm nor deny anything (just keep my arguments vague and ambiguous)

So can you show that potassium argon dating works?............. I won’t accept sources from “old earthers”

This i have just got to see

 

[gnostic]

All I have to do is adopt a position of extreme skepticism, avoid the burden proof at all cost, and never affirm nor deny anything (just keep my arguments vague and ambiguous)

That’s what you do anyway.

Those faults (highlighted in red) do mirror in your posts.

You always run away, whenever anyone mention that you need evidence.

And you always evade by trying to shift the burden of proof upon others.

And you are always vague and ambiguous, because you are totally uneducated in science.

But worse than all that - worse than just plain ignorant - is that you cannot be honest. That’s the only thing missing in your list of faults.

You have the tendencies to make up things, frequently making false claims.

 

[shunyadragon]

This i have just got to see

. . . don't hold your breath.

 

[shunyadragon]

It is depending on if you are dating rocks or minerals.

There are only few places on Earth, where you can find rocks from the Hadean Eon: geological shields n Africa, Canada and Australia.

Hadean Eon (from 4.6 to 4.0 billion years ago) is the oldest of 3 divisions (eons) of the super-eon Precambrian (4.6 billion years ago to 541 million years ago. The other 2 eons being Archean and Proterozoic.

The oldest rock was discovered Acasta Gneiss, Slave craton, Canada, felsic rock dated to 4.031 ±0.003 billion years old.

On the other hand, crystal of mineral, like zircon are older.

The oldest zircon was discovered at Jack Hills in Western Australia, has been dated to 4.404 ±0.008 billion years old.

You cannot use carbon-14 isotopes in radiometric dating method, because they only have half-life of 5730 years, and only accurate dating objects of 55,000 years or less.

Hence, other radioactive isotopes must be used to dating anything older than 1 million year.

Potassium-40 (K-40), which is used in Potassium-Argon (K-Ar) radiometric dating, has half-life of 1.248 billion years. Therefore, it can date anything from 10,000 years to several billion of years.

Isotopes Uranium-235 and Uranium-238 (used in Uranium-Lead (U-Pb) radiometric) provide more accurate results than K-40. U-235 has a half-life of 710 million years, while U-238 has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.

All 3 isotopes can measure rocks or minerals of a billion years or more. I had mentioned these 3 isotopes because they are most commonly used in dating geological stratigraphy.

There are many more radioactive isotopes that can be used and a few have even longer half-life than U-238.

For examples, isotopes 147 and 148 of Samarium have respective half-life of 106 billion years and 10^17 years.

Radiometric datings, not only can date rocks and minerals on earth, but also moon rocks collected from the Apollo missions, and any meteorites that have crashed to Earth.

One famous meteorite crashed near the town of Murchison, Victoria, Australia, in 1969. The Murchison meteorite not only contained some organic compounds (eg amino acids), but also silicon carbide.

My point is that silicon carbide are rarely found natural on earth, but they are more abundant in space, like this Murchison meteorite, and it has been dated to over 7 billion years. This mean that Murchison meteorite is older than the Solar System, older than Earth!

Good post! You have the patience to go into the detail.