The End is near...or is it?

[xxclaro]

Links not working for me.

 

[.lava]

Given how precarious human life is the end is always nigh in one sense.
To my way of thinking every time a man dies a universe dies with him.

i can agree with that. end is always near and death of a person is called small doomsday.

btw, i do believe this is end times and it's been end times in last 14 centuries. i don't expect all to end in a few years. maybe it is going to take centuries. who knows?

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[URAVIP2ME]

At Luke 17 Jesus is addressing his enemies the Pharisees at verses 20,21.
It is not until verse 22 Jesus addresses his disciples.
Jesus was in the midst of the Pharisees or within their midst.
Jesus continues at Luke [19vs11-15] that time would pass before Jesus returns in kingdom glory as the crowned king of God's kingdom or royal government.
[Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44]

So God's kingdom is not Tribulation but God's theocratic form of government that Jesus will use to bring an end to opposers. Isaiah 11v4; Rev 19vs11,14,15.

How would the GT stand out? 1st Thess 5vs2,3 mentions when the powers that be are saying 'Peace and Security' then Jesus comes by surprise.
When the political 'kings' of Rev [17v2] turn on the world's false religious sector or religious 'queen' of Rev [18vs7,8] is what will then bring GT.
With backing the UN can be strengthened to turn on religion that has run afoul playing false to God and his Christ.

Also the GT could not have yet started because Jesus has not yet separated the sheep of Matt 25vs31,32.

Like in Noah's day, people willfully ignored Noah's warning [2Peter 2v5] and that is why they did not notice it happening until the rains came.

How close are we? Rev [11v18 b] says God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth. How close is the earth to being ruined in God's eyes? Not just in a physical way, but also moral? -2nd Tim 3vs1-5,13.

Also how close is the US to bankruptcy? With over a growing billions a day in debt, how much longer before this country ends up like Greece?
One person said they calculated this would happen within the next 18 months?
Perhaps with the bad economy the political world will want the wealth the churches have amassed?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

i can agree with that. end is always near and death of a person is called small doomsday.

btw, i do believe this is end times and it's been end times in last 14 centuries. i don't expect all to end in a few years. maybe it is going to take centuries. who knows?
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However, it is science with its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set close to striking the dark midnight hour for all of mankind that is bad news in contrast with the 'good new' of God's kingdom or royal government in the hands of Christ Jesus who will usher in coming Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. [Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44]

Jesus does Not get rid of the earth [Ecc 1v4b], but Jesus gets rid of all wickedness on earth. [Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22]

 

[EverChanging]

To my way of thinking every time a man dies a universe dies with him.

That's very insightful, and beautiful in a way. I also see things that way.

As for the end times, scriptures in Revelation have been interpreted in various ways over the decades and made to fit the times. Jesus is alleged to have said that some are here that will "not taste of death" til they have seen the Son of man coming, with angels ascending and descending....

The end of this planet may be near, I don't know, but I have no belief at all that any scriptures have predicted the end with any more than coinidental accuracy.

 

[Kathryn]

I think there's some credibility to the idea that "the end is near" because for the first time in history we have the technology and globalization of our economies that is necessary to fulfill some of the biblical prophesies that hinge on the actions of people.

That being said, one of these days some group hollering "The end is near!" is bound to be right.

 

[AxisMundi]

On another forum that I frequent(non-religious) there was a discussion going on about the current events in the middle east,particularily regarding Israel. Anyway,quite a few of the posters believe this is end times prophecy manifesting itself. My question is this-Do the current events really correspond with end times prophecy as laid out in the Bible? I don't really care if you believe it's true or not, but if you have a good knowledge of the Bible and it's end times prophecy I'd like to hear from you.
As far as I can see, Christians since the time of Christ have believed that the end is near. Is there any reason to think that the current events are more indicative of end times than any other time in history? It's been a while since I read the Bible,but from what I recall there are still many things left undone for the prophecies to be considered fulfilled. I think sometimes people see doom and gloom around them and think it's unprecedented and must therefore indicate some sort of impending apocalypse,but so far I'm not convinced.

First one must believe in prophesy. I do not.

Second one must believe the bible is infallable, I do not.

Thirdly Revelations is a contemporary commentary on the fall of Rome that has been twisted into a fear mongering tactict.

There is nothing new going on in the MIddle East. Factions have warred over those sands for eons. Throw in the colonizing efforts of European countries, who didn't pay any attention to tribal/traditional bounderies as they parcelled the land among themselves, and all we have is a recipe ripe for conflict.

 

[AxisMundi]

However, it is science with its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set close to striking the dark midnight hour for all of mankind that is bad news in contrast with the 'good new' of God's kingdom or royal government in the hands of Christ Jesus who will usher in coming Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. [Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44]

Jesus does Not get rid of the earth [Ecc 1v4b], but Jesus gets rid of all wickedness on earth. [Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22]

"Royal government in the hands of Jesus Christ".

Not big on history, are you?

Why do you think the Colonies seperated from the British Empire, a "Royal government in the hands of jesus Christ"?

 

[BruceDLimber]

I don't know, but I have no belief at all that any scriptures have predicted the end with any more than coinidental accuracy.

Then you apparently haven't examined books like I, Daniel and The Apocalypse: An Exegesis
(both of which are available free at www.bahai-library.org in the Books section),
which explains the Book of Revelation in verse-by-verse detail as well as the major prohpecies in the Book of Daniel!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"Royal government in the hands of Jesus Christ".
Not big on history, are you?
Why do you think the Colonies seperated from the British Empire, a "Royal government in the hands of jesus Christ"?

Did you ever read the Bible book of Daniel?____

Jesus Father is King of Eternity. Since Jesus' Father is King and his Father has a kingdom, and God positions Jesus as crowned acting king of God's kingdom, then God's kingdom is a royal government in the hands of Christ Jesus.
Although located in the heavens it will bring lasting effects to earth.

Please notice that God's kingdom is described as a 'stone' at Daniel 2vs34,45.
The huge statue of Daniel chapter two stands for a rise and fall of world powers. The metal parts of the huge image stand for different world powers with each descending metal becoming inferior to the previous world power.
By the time the 'stone' [kingdom] reaches the huge image it aims for the toes-vs41.
We are now at the time of the 'toe nails'.

Daniel [2v44] shows, unlike men's kingdoms [royal or not] that God's kingdom will bring an end to all other kingdoms. Daniel [7vs13,14] shows God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus, and as Isaiah [9v7] says there will be no end to Christ's government because God provides Jesus as the one to be the king or ruler who would provide one of mankind's greatest needs which is good government free from affliction. This will be accomplished by divine intervention into mankind's affairs. Isaiah [11v4]; Rev [19vs11,14,15] describes how the words from Jesus mouth will be as sharp as an executioner's sword to rid the earth of the wicked.
- Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.
Then Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think there's some credibility to the idea that "the end is near" because for the first time in history we have the technology and globalization of our economies that is necessary to fulfill some of the biblical prophesies that hinge on the actions of people.
That being said, one of these days some group hollering "The end is near!" is bound to be right.

Some people when they hear 'the end is near' they think the end of earth when in actuality it is the end of all badness on earth that is near.
-Ecclesiastes 1v4 B; Psalm 92v7.

Technology can Not keep pace with the oil problem, and globalization of economies is showing that the growing $ billions of dollars daily of US debt, one person said the US at this rate will be bankrupt like Greece in 18 months.
A bad economy could cause the political world to want the $ wealth the world's religions have amassed.
Whether right or not, the bad things on earth coupled with Matt [24v14] that the good news of God's kingdom would be proclaimed world wide before the end comes of all badness on earth is for the most part accomplished
[Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44] before Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill starting with those alive at that time of Matthew [25vs31,32] who can remain living right into the start of Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth.

 

[mho123]

On another forum that I frequent(non-religious) there was a discussion going on about the current events in the middle east,particularily regarding Israel. Anyway,quite a few of the posters believe this is end times prophecy manifesting itself. My question is this-Do the current events really correspond with end times prophecy as laid out in the Bible? I don't really care if you believe it's true or not, but if you have a good knowledge of the Bible and it's end times prophecy I'd like to hear from you.
As far as I can see, Christians since the time of Christ have believed that the end is near. Is there any reason to think that the current events are more indicative of end times than any other time in history? It's been a while since I read the Bible,but from what I recall there are still many things left undone for the prophecies to be considered fulfilled. I think sometimes people see doom and gloom around them and think it's unprecedented and must therefore indicate some sort of impending apocalypse,but so far I'm not convinced.

the end is over a few million years when the sun starts loosing it's energy and starts expanding , engulfing the earth and the few close planets to sun , that the end to the people if they would choose to stay on earth . For those who would be living in other planets , star systems or even galaxies we do not know yet .
So if a couple of million years is near , then it is near .
Ofcourse we are talking about the end of humans , not the machines , they will live much longer .

 

[AxisMundi]

Did you ever read the Bible book of Daniel?____

Jesus Father is King of Eternity. Since Jesus' Father is King and his Father has a kingdom, and God positions Jesus as crowned acting king of God's kingdom, then God's kingdom is a royal government in the hands of Christ Jesus.
Although located in the heavens it will bring lasting effects to earth.

Please notice that God's kingdom is described as a 'stone' at Daniel 2vs34,45.
The huge statue of Daniel chapter two stands for a rise and fall of world powers. The metal parts of the huge image stand for different world powers with each descending metal becoming inferior to the previous world power.
By the time the 'stone' [kingdom] reaches the huge image it aims for the toes-vs41.
We are now at the time of the 'toe nails'.

Daniel [2v44] shows, unlike men's kingdoms [royal or not] that God's kingdom will bring an end to all other kingdoms. Daniel [7vs13,14] shows God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus, and as Isaiah [9v7] says there will be no end to Christ's government because God provides Jesus as the one to be the king or ruler who would provide one of mankind's greatest needs which is good government free from affliction. This will be accomplished by divine intervention into mankind's affairs. Isaiah [11v4]; Rev [19vs11,14,15] describes how the words from Jesus mouth will be as sharp as an executioner's sword to rid the earth of the wicked.
- Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.
Then Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

I have indeed read Daniel, as well as the entire bible.

Twice.

It's why I'm no longer a Christian.

May I suggest you cite a source that contains some credibility?

 

[arimoff]

It is always interesting to see when people of different faiths especially Christians use Jewish prophesies with explanations of those who absolutly had nothing to do with Judaism claim the end is near.

With all do respect to all those who believe that the end is near, have any of you actually reaserched the subject from a Jewish perspective? it is a Jewish prophecy after all.

I personally believe that the end is near, the world and the middle east has always been at war every now and then but to me this time it is different because Jews have returned home, a major detail to the end of days prophecies and not only have they return but Israel and its existense is the major player in all the curent world events witch lead people to believe the end is near, it is really obvious that the world community littlee by little is turning not only against Israels actions but it is questioning Israels right to exist as the Jewish home and the idea is spreading fast like a disease, a clear prove of a prophecies when Jews will start to return home the world will gang up against it a perfect reason for the arival of Moshiach.

Lets also not forget that the world is curently at a state where it can actually destroy it self, world community is moving towards WW3 and with the technoligy we have it spells "human extintion" the perfect time for G-D to intervine and not only show He exists but to help us realize we can't survive with out Him.

Now I'm fully aware that it might sound crazy to some of you but events speak for them selfs as I showed at the beginning of my coment and no, I'm not crazy I'm just entiteld to my opinion.

 

[AxisMundi]

It is always interesting to see when people of different faiths especially Christians use Jewish prophesies with explanations of those who absolutly had nothing to do with Judaism claim the end is near.

With all do respect to all those who believe that the end is near, have any of you actually reaserched the subject from a Jewish perspective? it is a Jewish prophecy after all.

I personally believe that the end is near, the world and the middle east has always been at war every now and then but to me this time it is different because Jews have returned home, a major detail to the end of days prophecies and not only have they return but Israel and its existense is the major player in all the curent world events witch lead people to believe the end is near, it is really obvious that the world community littlee by little is turning not only against Israels actions but it is questioning Israels right to exist as the Jewish home and the idea is spreading fast like a disease, a clear prove of a prophecies when Jews will start to return home the world will gang up against it a perfect reason for the arival of Moshiach.

Lets also not forget that the world is curently at a state where it can actually destroy it self, world community is moving towards WW3 and with the technoligy we have it spells "human extintion" the perfect time for G-D to intervine and not only show He exists but to help us realize we can't survive with out Him.

Now I'm fully aware that it might sound crazy to some of you but events speak for them selfs as I showed at the beginning of my coment and no, I'm not crazy I'm just entiteld to my opinion.

Firstly, "from a Jewish perspective"? I hardly think a people are going to hurry along the destruction of the world by participating in a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Secondly, the only people who question Israel's right to exist as a country is Iran, hardly "the world". Yes, "the world" opinion is slowly changing from active support of Israel to realizing that Israel needs to be called to taks for ignoring some 60 UN Resolutions, refusing to let UN inspectors in to view it's nuclear arsenal, not signing on to the NPT treaty, humanitarian and human rights violations, and especially it's expansionist policies.

However, calling what has evolved into a rogue nation to task is hardly wishing for it's demise.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

the end is over a few million years when the sun starts loosing it's energy and starts expanding , engulfing the earth and the few close planets to sun , that the end to the people if they would choose to stay on earth . For those who would be living in other planets , star systems or even galaxies we do not know yet .
So if a couple of million years is near , then it is near .
Ofcourse we are talking about the end of humans , not the machines , they will live much longer .

According to science there will be an end to our sun.
Does science always know what God as Creator has in store?
Psalm 119v90 says God established the earth and it abides.
Abides, according to Ecclesiastes 1v4, abides forever.
Psalm 78v69 says the earth is established forever.
Psalm 93v1; 1 Chronicles 16v30 the established earth can not be moved
Psalm 104v5 earth's foundations will not be removed forever.

What will 'end' according to Psalm [92v7] is the wicked on earth.
The earth stays; the wicked go- Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

God who created the sun can do what is necessary to maintain what is needed for the earth to continue, and for humble meek people to remain here as promised at Psalm 37vs11,29.

In the meantime, now is nearing the time, not for the end of earth, but for the end times of all badness on earth before Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. In other words, these are the last days of badness on earth not the last days of earth.

 

[AxisMundi]

According to science there will be an end to our sun.
Does science always know what God as Creator has in store?
Psalm 119v90 says God established the earth and it abides.
Abides, according to Ecclesiastes 1v4, abides forever.
Psalm 78v69 says the earth is established forever.
Psalm 93v1; 1 Chronicles 16v30 the established earth can not be moved
Psalm 104v5 earth's foundations will not be removed forever.

What will 'end' according to Psalm [92v7] is the wicked on earth.
The earth stays; the wicked go- Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

God who created the sun can do what is necessary to maintain what is needed for the earth to continue, and for humble meek people to remain here as promised at Psalm 37vs11,29.

In the meantime, now is nearing the time, not for the end of earth, but for the end times of all badness on earth before Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. In other words, these are the last days of badness on earth not the last days of earth.

The same source says te earth is flat, 6,ooo years old, and the entire universe revolves around it, so you'll forgive us if we see that your source has zero credibility.

 

[Misty]

Noidoubt some will be claiming the end is nigh in another 2000 years too!

 

[Beaudreaux]

On another forum that I frequent(non-religious) there was a discussion going on about the current events in the middle east,particularily regarding Israel. Anyway,quite a few of the posters believe this is end times prophecy manifesting itself. My question is this-Do the current events really correspond with end times prophecy as laid out in the Bible? I don't really care if you believe it's true or not, but if you have a good knowledge of the Bible and it's end times prophecy I'd like to hear from you.
As far as I can see, Christians since the time of Christ have believed that the end is near. Is there any reason to think that the current events are more indicative of end times than any other time in history? It's been a while since I read the Bible,but from what I recall there are still many things left undone for the prophecies to be considered fulfilled. I think sometimes people see doom and gloom around them and think it's unprecedented and must therefore indicate some sort of impending apocalypse,but so far I'm not convinced.

The view that the Book of Revelations is apocalyptic prophecy is a relatively new one and is not a part of mainstream Christian theology. Hal Lindsey popularized this view in the seventies. Mainstream Christian theology views the Book of Revelations as poetic account of the Roman persecution and nothing more.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

'Mainstream' [so-called] Christianity or Christendom is Not first-century Christianity as recorded in Scripture. Just as Acts [20vs29,30] shows that wolf-like clergy [mainstream] dressed in sheep's clothing would fleece the flock.
Both weed [fake] and genuine [wheat] Christians would grow together from the end of the first century to our day, or time of the harvest, when Jesus will separate the true from the false [Matt 25vs31,32].

Revelation is a revealing. The Bible book of Revelation reveals the happy climax that there will be divine intervention by Christ [Rev 19vs11,14,15; Isaiah 11v4] to rid the earth of the wicked [Psalm 92v7] and then Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill starting with the sheep-like ones of Matthew 25v32.

Revelation [11v18 B] promises that God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth.
This has nothing to do with Roman persecution.

The fact there will be curing for the nations [Rev 22v2] has nothing to do with Roman persecution, but rather Jesus will fulfill the promise to Abraham [Gen 12v3; 22vs17,18] that all families of the earth will be blessed and all nations of the earth will be blessed.