The end of hatered

[Spirit of Light]

Very old wisdom points out that hate and fear are sides of the same coin. No one bothers to hate things they don't apprehend danger or loss from.

There isn't one religious style or mindset, there are thousands, and religion doesn't own all the rights to hate.

A more apt spectrum is right and left, conservative and liberal, which applies to religious and secular alike. An important study a decade or two back concluded that the farther right you go, the more you're uncomfortable with, threatened by, afraid of, change; on the left you find pleasure in change, adventure, difference, and most importantly, acceptance of it. One end of the spectrum dies of gun accidents, the other from drug accidents.

So if everyone, religious or not, were more accepting of their neighbors' differences, more curious and sharing about how folk tick, more open to the adventures of an another culture, and more, then a great amount of tension, social and religious, would simply not be there.

(Yes, I know, there are exceptions to every generalization.)

But many changes are irreversible. One religious example pits reality against fundamentalism, the declaration that the bible (in particular, in the West) is infallible. Even before we get to the particulars we have the absurdity that a document could be infallible at all, and not hedged around with all sorts of conditions and exceptions and particular definitions before it could even vaguely approach that idea. I see no way to reconciliation there, only doublethink at best. And it isn't science that's afraid and hating; it's the defenders of their own little orthodoxy.

There is one truth, and religions do see it, but from different point of view. So no need to hate those who belive or those who do not belive.

 

[blü 2]

There is one truth, and religions do see it, but from different point of view. So no need to hate those who belive or those who do not belive.

I respect your view, but it seems to me there are no absolutes, no final truths; while at the same time some things are manifestly untrue ─ creationism is a sitting duck example ─ in that they're not accurate statements about reality and can be shown to be so.

But in the greater scheme, if you're a decent person, it doesn't matter a fig whether you're a believer or not. And if you're not a decent person, it still doesn't matter a fig whether you're a believer or not.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

To hate someone is to hate you self in a sense. because if you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be. (you want people to be like you)

I just try to be realistic whenever it comes to matters of hate. My view is that hatred is pretty much a force of nature by which we can do our part in minimizing any damage that hatred brings about. I think of it as a mental storm that rises up in people from time to time.

 

[Stevicus]

Hate is the lack of love as love is the animating force.

We can see that darkness is only the lack of light.

Regards Tony

I would think that the lack of love would be more like indifference than actual hatred. Hatred requires a conscious effort, and people don't usually make such an effort without a reason.

 

[crossfire]

A trick I learned a while ago in order to get along with every dog I meet is to imagine that it's a puppy, no matter how old or big it is, and approach it with that attitude. It works great. As we all know, anybody who's even sort of human will always be genuinely glad to meet a puppy and will immediately like it and want to be friends with it. Dogs pick up on that and will usually respond well.

Translating this method for use on random humans hasn't proven quite as effective, but I do find that looking at everybody as if they were all 5 years old internally helps keep my expectations in check.

This is truer (many humans being immature internally) than many would like to admit!

 

[crossfire]

Yes, many people do, and I sometimes can feel sadness when I witness or hear about ego and attachments destroying such people. I can feel some compassion when I hear about people who have destroyed themselves through hatred or some kinds of extremism.


.......... and so you feel that humanity should/could take its hatred and ego and transform it?
I just see it differently. I think that folks gain some extra quality in their lives when they switch-off, shut-down, end such emotions and then feed, nurture and develop the others.
You might be able to, but I don't think I could turn hate to love, but I can try to switch it off.

Transforming it is the way to go. Repression (switching it off) does not have any lasting effects, and pushes the problem further away from the rational mind--and the ability to solve the problem.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I would think that the lack of love would be more like indifference than actual hatred. Hatred requires a conscious effort, and people don't usually make such an effort without a reason.

Thus I see It becomes a choice of not offering naught but love.

There are many shades of darkness until you get pitch black where there is no light at all. This is the same as Love and hate. If you were to elevate above the earth and face the sun you would be bathed in light and not see darkness.

Now we can see the metaphor that earth is self and this is what we are asked to do. Raise above self and be naught but light to all humanity. We will spend a lifetime trying to acheive this, we can only try as to live in this world will always require some self to survive.

I always appreciate and admire those people that give of themselves to help all others.

Regards Tony

 

[Pudding]

Definition of Hate (verb): Feel intense dislike for.

To hate someone, means feeling intense dislike towards someone.
I hate you, means i intensely dislike you. (example)

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

To end who's hate?
To end my hate towards other people, or to end other people's hate towards other people?

In the past, i sometimes do hate some people, how do i deal with it?
Depends. Sometimes i let it be; sometimes i distract myself to forget or don't think about it. As time pass by, sometimes the feeling decrease/disappear without doing anything, or i figure out a positive way of thinking so i don't hate anymore. To continual hating is a tired burden, it gives me headache, it makes me unhappy, but nonetheless it's a natural reaction hard for me to control. Hate happens when someone hurt my feelings in some way. As time pass by, i get used to it and nowadays less frequently do i experience intensely dislike towards other people. I still do have some mild dislike feeling towards some people, but not to the level of hate/intensely dislike.

How do i end other people's hate towards other people?
I'm not a socialize person in reality and i'm not very experience about it.

To hate someone is to hate you self in a sense. because if you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be. (you want people to be like you)

To hate someone is to hate yourself in a sense? What sense?

Premise: If you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be, you want people to be like you.
Conclusion: Therefor to hate someone is to hate yourself?

It seems like a non-sequitor to me. I cannot see the logic there, please explain how the premise leads to the conclusion.



Also, i can easily give some examples which your statement would be weird to apply to.

Example 1:
Lily is a poor girl. His father is a gambler and drunkard. He often violently beat her, her mother and brothers after lose on gambling and when drunk. Her mother can't deal with it and end up suicide while her brothers runaway from home. After that, her father sells her to the brothel. She is very unhappy about what her father done to her, she hate his father deeply.

According to your statement,
Lily hate his father = Lily hate herself? Because if Lily hate his father she do not see her father for who he is, she only see what she do not want him to be? (she want him to be like her???)


Example 2:
Jennifer is an immoral terrorist. In the process of her terorrist activity, she voilently kill all of Ken's family, Ken survival in that tragic. Ken is very unhappy with what Jennifer had done to his family, he hate her deeply.

According to your statement,
Ken hate Jennifer = Ken hate himself? Because if Ken hate Jennifer he do not see her for who she is, he only see what he do not want her to be? (he want her to be like him???)

 

[Spirit of Light]

Definition of Hate (verb): Feel intense dislike for.

To hate someone, means feeling intense dislike towards someone.
I hate you, means i intensely dislike you. (example)

To end who's hate?
To end my hate towards other people, or to end other people's hate towards other people?

In the past, i sometimes do hate some people, how do i deal with it?
Depends. Sometimes i let it be; sometimes i distract myself to forget or don't think about it. As time pass by, sometimes the feeling decrease/disappear without doing anything, or i figure out a positive way of thinking so i don't hate anymore. To continual hating is a tired burden, it gives me headache, it makes me unhappy, but nonetheless it's a natural reaction hard for me to control. Hate happens when someone hurt my feelings in some way. As time pass by, i get used to it and nowadays less frequently do i experience intensely dislike towards other people. I still do have some mild dislike feeling towards some people, but not to the level of hate/intensely dislike.

How do i end other people's hate towards other people?
I'm not a socialize person in reality and i'm not very experience about it.

To hate someone is to hate yourself in a sense? What sense?

Premise: If you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be, you want people to be like you.
Conclusion: Therefor to hate someone is to hate yourself?

It seems like a non-sequitor to me. I cannot see the logic there, please explain how the premise leads to the conclusion.



Also, i can easily give some examples which your statement would be weird to apply to.

Example 1:
Lily is a poor girl. His father is a gambler and drunkard. He often violently beat her, her mother and brothers after lose on gambling and when drunk. Her mother can't deal with it and end up suicide while her brothers runaway from home. After that, her father sells her to the brothel. She is very unhappy about what her father done to her, she hate his father deeply.

According to your statement,
Lily hate his father = Lily hate herself? Because if Lily hate his father she do not see her father for who he is, she only see what she do not want him to be? (she want him to be like her???)


Example 2:
Jennifer is an immoral terrorist. In the process of her terorrist activity, she voilently kill all of Ken's family, Ken survival in that tragic. Ken is very unhappy with what Jennifer had done to his family, he hate her deeply.

According to your statement,
Ken hate Jennifer = Ken hate himself? Because if Ken hate Jennifer he do not see her for who she is, he only see what he do not want her to be? (he want her to be like him???)

Hate can come from when confronted with something that hurt, because the person who contronted you speak the truth about you. when it hurt we feel vulnerable because our shild is down. so instead of fixing the problem we try to defend our self with hate toward that person.
But we are actually mad at our self, not them.

Jealsosy can lead to hate because others have something you do not have, so instead of being happy for them you envy them and get angry at them

To fix this one must realise compassion from within one self

 

[Pudding]

Hate can come from when confronted with something that hurt, because the person who contronted you speak the truth about you. when it hurt we feel vulnerable because our shild is down. so instead of fixing the problem we try to defend our self with hate toward that person.
But we are actually mad at our self, not them.

Jealsosy can lead to hate because others have something you do not have, so instead of being happy for them you envy them and get angry at them

To fix this one must realise compassion from within one self

In the examples i provided, what truth do Lily's father speak to Lily? What truth do Jennifer speak to John?

When it hurt, Lily and John feel vulnerable because their shield is down, so instead of fixing the problem they try to defend themself with hate toward Lily's father and Jennifer??? What problem do Lily and John need to fix?

But Lily and John are actually mad at themselves??? They do not mad at Lily's father and Jennifer???

 

[Spirit of Light]

In the examples i provided, what truth do Lily's father speak to Lily? What truth do Jennifer speak to John?

When it hurt, Lily and John feel vulnerable because their shield is down, so instead of fixing the problem they try to defend themself with hate toward Lily's father and Jennifer??? Fixing what problem?

But Lily and John are actually mad at themself??? Not Lily's father and Jennifer???

Yes they are mad at them self because of past events, but also they can be mad at the adults ofcourse. But if you look at the buddhist teaching, it say that often we encounter situation we create ourself from past action, words, and thoughts. so in a way when something bad happen in life, we can experience it because of karma. So in the situation you describe they can experience this because of karma. but still it is a wrong action of the adult people ofcourse

 

[Pudding]

Yes they are mad at them self because of past events, but also they can be mad at the adults ofcourse. But if you look at the buddhist teaching, it say that often we encounter situation we create ourself from past action, words, and thoughts. so in a way when something bad happen in life, we can experience it because of karma. So in the situation you describe they can experience this because of karma. but still it is a wrong action of the adult people ofcourse

Yes, we often encounter situation we create ourself from past action, words, and thoughts, so in a way when something bad happen in life, we can experience it because of karma.

But it's only often, not all the time.

So, what they face is not necessarily karma.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, we often encounter situation we create ourself from past action, words, and thoughts, so in a way when something bad happen in life, we can experience it because of karma.

But it's only often, not all the time.

So, what they face is not necessarily karma.

It is very difficult to answer about other peoples karma and karmic history. Karma follow us until we have started doing good deeds or virtue, virtue is the opposit of karma.

 

[Pudding]

It is very difficult to answer about other peoples karma and karmic history. Karma follow us until we have started doing good deeds or virtue, virtue is the opposit of karma.

Some baby born with disability, the disability is karma for those baby? What wrong have they done to receive the karma?

Do you mean every misfortunes/accidents happens on every people is always because they have done something wrong to receive those misfortunes/accidents as karma? It's always their fault when something bad happens to them?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Some baby born with disability, the disability is karma for those baby? What wrong have they done to receive the karma?

Do you mean every misfortunes/accidents happens on every people is always because they have done something wrong to receive those misfortunes/accidents as karma? It's always their fault when something bad happens to them?

As a buddhist i see rebirth from lifetime to lifetime and yes we do take the karma with us. Han i say ever bad experience in life is caused by karma? No i can not. But what i can say is there is cause and effect.

 

[Pudding]

As a buddhist i see rebirth from lifetime to lifetime and yes we do take the karma with us. Han i say ever bad experience in life is caused by karma? No i can not. But what i can say is there is cause and effect.

Thanks for the conversation.