The end of hatered

[osgart]

When i was down and out some people hated me. I cant explain hatred, it is without cause. It is in a lot of people. I dont think you can end hatred like that. But you certainly dont have to give in to it.

Hatred looks for cause where there is none. I think its caused by false pride.

In a lot of ways, it makes me angry. Then i realize that i dont really care how such people feel. If they feel the need for my misery it aint worth much of my emotions. A civil response is called for.

I certainly dont respect hatefulness. I dont feel any compassion toward it. I extend mercy but i dont feel anything that moves me about it. Its the principle of mercy i stand by when i come across it now and then.

 

[Spirit of Light]

When i was down and out some people hated me. I cant explain hatred, it is without cause. It is in a lot of people. I dont think you can end hatred like that. But you certainly dont have to give in to it.

Hatred looks for cause where there is none. I think its caused by false pride.

In a lot of ways, it makes me angry. Then i realize that i dont really care how such people feel. If they feel the need for my misery it aint worth much of my emotions. A civil response is called for.

I certainly dont respect hatefulness. I dont feel any compassion toward it. I extend mercy but i dont feel anything that moves me about it. Its the principle of mercy i stand by when i come across it now and then.

Often it is the ego that drive someone to hate.
When ego has been let go of/ transformed to selflessness, no hate can be felt because there is noone that the hate will hit anymore, it is like it passes thru the person

 

[charlie sc]

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

Nothing.

 

[crossfire]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around this generalization. Can you offer a specific example?

This article I wrote and shared in this post explains the mechanisms. If you have more specific questions that it doesn't cover, feel free to ask.

Why has LHR hijacked the word magic?

I still fail to see how hating these is productive. Wouldn't it be more productive to understand the source of these ideologies and take action to eradicate them?

One would need sufficient motivatation and energy to tackle such a problem, especially if it is viewed as acceptable according to the cultural nomos.

 

[BilliardsBall]

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

To hate someone is to hate you self in a sense. because if you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be. (you want people to be like you)

I try to end hate by converting as many ticked-off skeptics to faith as possible (off RF, of course). Nobody hates as much as embittered skeptics!

PS. Before skeptics respond to this post, note I wrote embittered. If you reply to me moaning about "religious hate", you are obviously embittered, rather than at peace with God and man.

 

[wizanda]

Wouldn't it be more productive to understand the source of these ideologies and take action to eradicate them?

As saying, hate can be transduced into something more constructive; most people hate things all the time (have negative reflections with it), and don't transform the energy into positivity.

Many only start to take action, when we realize we hate the negative traits and actions.

Like many times in society, we only start making policy, when things get so bad, people hate the results.

In my opinion.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes it can scare a person for life, but even how horrible that sound it is possible to forgive and show those people compassion too. Because they do something that bad, you know they will experience horrible suffering them self later. Personally i dont want anyone to feel that kind of suffering.

I've never been close to that kind of situation personally, so can't say if I could forgive or not. Talking the talk and actually walking the walk are two different things. Of the three people I know really well who went through that, 2 seem to have adjusted by repressing it, and the other is still suffering, 40 years later. If there is hatred, they certainly haven't acted on it. All 3 came here as refugees, and none have gone back to the scene of the horror.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I've never been close to that kind of situation personally, so can't say if I could forgive or not. Talking the talk and actually walking the walk are two different things. Of the three people I know really well who went through that, 2 seem to have adjusted by repressing it, and the other is still suffering, 40 years later. If there is hatred, they certainly haven't acted on it. All 3 came here as refugees, and none have gone back to the scene of the horror.

I have been in a situation where i forgive a person who killed a friend of me many years ago. I hold no bad feelings or thoughts toward the person who killed my friend. But i know not everyone want to forgive

 

[Vinayaka]

I have been in a situation where i forgive a person who killed a friend of me many years ago. I hold no bad feelings or thoughts toward the person who killed my friend. But i know not everyone want to forgive

I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to forgive, but a matter of not being able to forgive.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to forgive, but a matter of not being able to forgive.

I know i can not look at my path and say others can forgive too, and the reason i say this is that as a cultivator of dhamma, it is all i do in this life, everything i do is about become less and less attached to the human realm, it has nothing to do with forcing on self to not do some thing or not thinking of something. it is a long prosess about understanding th cause of everything that happens, and to calm the mind

 

[icehorse]

Hatred is a product of judgment. My hatred ended when I stopped standing in judgment of myself and others.

I agree with the drift here, but I think we have to make some finer distinctions. For example instead of judgment we sometimes have to evaluate or assess. An admittedly over-the-top example would be how we handle criminals or cannibals. Our higher selves might see that they are victims of bad luck or an unfortunate culture, but we still have to evaluate their behaviors and take some corrective actions, correct?

 

[Vinayaka]

I agree with the drift here, but I think we have to make some finer distinctions. For example instead of judgment we sometimes have to evaluate or assess. An admittedly over-the-top example would be how we handle criminals or cannibals. Our higher selves might see that they are victims of bad luck or an unfortunate culture, but we still have to evaluate their behaviors and take some corrective actions, correct?

Some of my friends who went to the Catholic schools in South India talk of how they were taught by Catholic nuns and fathers to spit on Hindu temples and shrines as they walked by. Hate can be systematically taught from the top down. The higher ups need to ban such teaching.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Some of my friends who went to the Catholic schools in South India talk of how they were taught by Catholic nuns and fathers to spit on Hindu temples and shrines as they walked by. Hate can be systematically taught from the top down. The higher ups need to ban such teaching.

I not sure it is the Chatholic teaching that is wrong, but the people who practice it does not understand the wisdom in the teaching, All religion teach how to be a better person, and that was not shown by the teachers you talked about, so the teachers do not understand the teaching

 

[Vinayaka]

I not sure it is the Chatholic teaching that is wrong, but the people who practice it does not understand the wisdom in the teaching, All religion teach how to be a better person, and that was not shown by the teachers you talked about, so the teachers do not understand the teaching

Yes, I would agree with you, but that's just one example of hate being programmed. How many Americans hate communism? Where does that programming come from?

In our dharmic faiths, where we're taught far less of the 'us versus them' mentality, it's far easier to not hate. It doesn't go against our early programing. If hate is all you hear for 40 years, what other impressions can you fall back on?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, I would agree with you, but that's just one example of hate being programmed. How many Americans hate communism? Where does that programming come from?

In our dharmic faiths, where we're taught far less of the 'us versus them' mentality, it's far easier to not hate. It doesn't go against our early programing. If hate is all you hear for 40 years, what other impressions can you fall back on?

 

[Estro Felino]

We realize the contrast of it is a reversal, from a positive to a negative understanding about something...

I must confess you I always suffer when you harshly condemn and belittle John,,,,my absolutely favorite Evangelist.

Nevertheless I've never told you that....
That's the evidence of how much I respect and love you.

 

[wizanda]

belittle John

Sorry if it has come across like I'd belittle any of it, the texts are amazingly elaborate, and fulfills prophecy of the deception; it is just a misrepresentation of Yeshua, and tho I've hated the deformation of character, I'm still willing to discuss it unbiasedly, for the sake of others understanding.

In my opinion.

 

[ManSinha]

They only become dangerous to you if you let them be. when you have no hate within you anymore, there are nobody who is dangerous to you

Actually that is not completely true - if they come up to you with a gun or sword intending to cause harm - no amount of "loving" is going to overcome that - back to the comment about rabies in four legged pets

 

[Spirit of Light]

Actually that is not completely true - if they come up to you with a gun or sword intending to cause harm - no amount of "loving" is going to overcome that - back to the comment about rabies in four legged pets

I still would not hate them even they tried kill me.

 

[ManSinha]

I still would not hate them even they tried kill me.

At that point the question is not about "hate" - it is simply about stopping someone that will not listen to reason
I think we may be in agreement

Depend on what you see as danger. as long i do not try to harm or hurt him/them there is not need for them to use the gun toward me. if they do use the gun toward me i die, that i know, but to me death is not the end, it is only an transformation. so i do not fear death

It is not a question of "trying" it is a question of actually killing

Read up about the story of the 9th Master and the 10th Master

The 9th Master was sought to be converted (to Islam - but we shall leave that for another day) forcefully under threat of torture and execution - he declined and was beheaded in Delhi

The 10th Master - wrote this in a poetic message to the person that had ordered the killing -

One of the most quoted verses from the Zafarnama (script) is the following couplet:

Chu kar az hama heelt e dar guzshat,
Halal ast burdan ba shamsheer dast.

"All modes of redressing the wrong having failed,
raising of sword is pious and just." (verse 22)

The original is in Persian if anyone is wondering - so yes - once the ultimate "sacrifice" has been made - it is perfectly fine to defend oneself against injustice