The end of hatered

[ChristineM]

I believe nobody defends atheism as much as I do here.

What has atheism to do with it? You stated buddhism and christianity.

And i believe there are several who fight in the corner of atheism far more defensively than you ... Me for one.

Good to see you back

 

[dybmh]

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

I think the source of hatred is feeling powerless. Ending hate in myself is encouraging patience, being persistent, recognizing small victories, knowing when to give up, retreat, and regroup. I think ending hate in others is encouraging empowerment and discouraging dominance.

 

[Estro Felino]

Good to see you back

Thank you...

 

[Shantanu]

When you speak about injustice, you do not see the karmic relation to the situation, the relation start in the past and what you experience as injustic is the result of the karma that is re-payed. One does not need to have hate or anger rise within when seeing this, but when one have compassion it is ok to try to end the situation in a calm and good way. But as an example if you see two people fighting in the street, we can not know the cause of the fight, it might be karmic relation from earlier in the life of the two people. so should we stop them? not if you do not know the cause of the fight. (karmic law) if we stop it now, it will sooner or later need to be repayed.

To not hate someone because of their action toward you self or others, one must have compassion arise within , when compassion arise one will feel sorry for the person who start the fight or argument, instead of getting angry our self, we can stay calm

I always seek a way to try and dominate the perpetrators with legal manouvres: that is why the UK State wanted to classify me as a vexatious litigant to spare its evil perpetrators and morons. One needs to expose the injustices with truth probing and quell the evil perpetrators so that they are named and shamed and stuck to their own selves. In my opinion there should be zero tolerance towards evil, so there is no room for compassion and love for the cruel people.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I always seek a way to try and dominate the perpetrators with legal manouvres: that is why the UK State wanted to classify me as a vexatious litigant to spare its evil perpetrators and morons. One needs to expose the injustices with truth probing and quell the evil perpetrators so that they are named and shamed and stuck to their own selves. In my opinion there should be zero tolerance towards evil, so there is no room for compassion and love for the cruel people.

But of what you wrote now comes evil too, because you GOING to have it your way or no way at all, Right? is that not evil thoughts from your part? because government has in som way made you angry and you want revenge?

 

[SalixIncendium]

What do you do to end hate toward other people?

To hate someone is to hate you self in a sense. because if you hate others you do not see them for who they are, you only see what you do not want them to be. (you want people to be like you)

Hatred is a product of judgment. My hatred ended when I stopped standing in judgment of myself and others.

 

[Shantanu]

But of what you wrote now comes evil too, because you GOING to have it your way or no way at all, Right? is that not evil thoughts from your part? because government has in som way made you angry and you want revenge?

I want justice and no matter how long it takes I am going to get it. That is what I live for.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I want justice and no matter how long it takes I am going to get it. That is what I live for.

Let go of the past and live in the moment is the fastest way to get justice. Because if you live in the past because of what happen you will never be able to forgive and go on. What happen before is no longer. if you wish to get a better life, then forgivness and love/kindness is within your path too, right?

When your mind become calm and nothing can affect your emotions, that is when you will experience what you looking for No need to harm other to find what you seeking

 

[Shantanu]

Let go of the past and live in the moment is the fastest way to get justice. Because if you live in the past because of what happen you will never be able to forgive and go on. What happen before is no longer. if you wish to get a better life, then forgivness and love/kindness is within your path too, right?

When your mind become calm and nothing can affect your emotions, that is when you will experience what you looking for No need to harm other to find what you seeking

You do not seem to understand: when one fights for justice one is improving ones society and State for a better life for us all into the future. I must not sacrifice that objective in order to get peace of mind to escape the samsara.That is what my vyavaharika life is about, and it comes from Hindu teachings.

 

[loverofhumanity]

When one sees injustices and lies and deceit being perpetrated, does not one have a righteous duty to humanity to express ones abhorrence of those acts and views? If so how can one do so without hatred being the propellent of ones disgust.

Of course if one does not want to live in samsara one has no responsibility to do the right thing and let everything fall apart before ones eyes.

I think any injustice must be addressed through the proper channels but not through vigilante activities.

We Bahais have been killed, tortured an ostracized and continue to be in Iran. We don’t retaliate in any form . But our leaders make constant representations to the UN, human rights organizations such as Amnesty and to the governments around the world.

But I myself defend Islam, Muhammad and the Quran because it’s part of my beliefs and I also am strongly against hate campaigns against Muslims because they are innocent, good people.

In my mind I distinguish between a Muslim and an oppressor or terrorist and I call a terrorist a terrorist and will condemn a terrorist but a Muslim is not evil or bd so I try to be friends with them. So in my mind a terrorist who calls himself a Muslim is not a Muskim only a terrorist.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You do not seem to understand: when one fights for justice one is improving ones society and State for a better life for us all into the future. I must not sacrifice that objective in order to get peace of mind to escape the samsara.That is what my vyavaharika life is about, and it comes from Hindu teachings.

It seem to me that the difference in our thinking is that you want to live in the physical world and look for answers there. but i have no pleasure of looking in the physical world, all my search is within, then i observe the physical world But take no hold in anything from it. i see it, i feel it/taste it then let it pass. that is the difference in the way we live

 

[Shantanu]

I think any injustice must be addressed through the proper channels but not through vigilante activities.

We Bahais have been killed, tortured an ostracized and continue to be in Iran. We don’t retaliate in any form . But our leaders make constant representations to the UN, human rights organizations such as Amnesty and to the governments around the world.

But I myself defend Islam, Muhammad and the Quran because it’s part of my beliefs and I also am strongly against hate campaigns against Muslims because they are innocent, good people.

In my mind I distinguish between a Muslim and an oppressor or terrorist and I call a terrorist a terrorist and will condemn a terrorist but a Muslim is not evil or bd so I try to be friends with them. So in my mind a terrorist who calls himself a Muslim is not a Muskim only a terrorist.

I would never ever seek to violence unless an opponent attacks me with a weapon to kill me: then I will respond in kind. To fight injustices one has to have a balanced mind that one is doing only that which is lawful in the eyes of international law.

 

[crossfire]

They only become dangerous to you if you let them be. when you have no hate within you anymore, there are nobody who is dangerous to you

Well, there are still those whose minds have been overcome by hatred and/or delusion who have guns and give in to the urge to recklessly use them.

 

[Shantanu]

It seem to me that the difference in our thinking is that you want to live in the physical world and look for answers there. but i have no pleasure of looking in the physical world, all my search is within, then i observe the physical world But take no hold in anything from it. i see it, i feel it/taste it then let it pass. that is the difference in the way we live

I live both in the physical world and in the sprititual world of Consciousness which I am in in the absolute reality. All my actions in the physical world is as directed by Consciousness. It is the only doer. So I am satisfied with what I do.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well, there are still those whose minds have been overcome by hatred and/or delusion who have guns and give in to the urge to recklessly use them.

Yes some people do use guns, but that does not mean i have to hate them. Nor does it mean i have to fear them

 

[crossfire]

Yes some people do use guns, but that does not mean i have to hate them. Nor does it mean i have to fear them

No, you don't have to hate them or fear them, but you must acknowledge that they can still pose a danger to you. Failure to do so might constitute delusion, imo.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I live both in the physical world and in the sprititual world of Consciousness which I am in in the absolute reality. All my actions in the physical world is as directed by Consciousness. It is the only doer. So I am satisfied with what I do.

Are you consious aware of that you can harm others with your need for justice? that your words and action may affect those who come in your way? if yes, then the question arise, is it right to hurt others because you(someone) was hurt in the past?

 

[Spirit of Light]

No, you don't have to hate them or fear them, but you must acknowledge that they can still pose a danger to you. Failure to do so might constitute delusion, imo.

Depend on what you see as danger. as long i do not try to harm or hurt him/them there is not need for them to use the gun toward me. if they do use the gun toward me i die, that i know, but to me death is not the end, it is only an transformation. so i do not fear death

 

[Shantanu]

Are you consious aware of that you can harm others with your need for justice? that your words and action may affect those who come in your way? if yes, then the question arise, is it right to hurt others because you(someone) was hurt in the past?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, is an old English saying: if your actions are infallible and perfect to the situation that you face it will be demonstrated that you have survived and are without any form of suffering whatsoever.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Always been taught, "you should never hate people, just their bad behavior."

I think Gandhi had it right -- Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Tell me...what productiveness comes from hate?