Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
well if there is one thing we know about politicians, they are the most honest, trustworthy, ethical people on the planet, they would never make stuff up for their own benefit!
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The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
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well if there is one thing we know about politicians, they are the most honest, trustworthy, ethical people on the planet, they would never make stuff up for their own benefit!
The politicians didn't come up with this, they're merely citing the scientific research.
Don't you consider this a serious problem? Are you aware of the causes? Are you aware of the consequences?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
No, please enlighten me, how does 1 or 2 extra molecules CO2 in 10,000 of air, have any significant impact on the climate?
Same way one or two molecules of Botulinum toxin in 10,000 would have an impact on you.
1-2 molecules in 10,000 may sound small, but it can have a significant impact. And it's not just CO2, CH4 is being released at record and increasing levels, and it's significantly more potent than CO2.
Just look at the evidence: Temperature increase follows greenhouse gas increase. Glaciers are receding. Arctic ice is disappearing. Ice caps are melting. Greenland is melting. The ocean is acidifying. Tundra and northern lakes are degassing CH4. These are observable, testable effects.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
You mean 2 molecules of Botulinum in 10000 have no significant direct effect whatsover? they rely 100% on hypothetical computer simulated feedback loops to do anything?
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no, CO2 levels follow Temps with a lag time of around 800-900 years (this is undisputed scientifically no matter what Al Gore may have told you) and 800-900 years ago was the medieval warm period
Ice caps are melting? As above, Antarctica keeps setting records for larger sea ice extent, which is worrying since the ice caps HAD been retreating for 19000 years, if this reverses we have real problems!
again oceans are alkaline, not acid, methane levels are measured in parts per Billion, and just like CO2, have no significant direct effect.
The whole theory relies 100% on computer simulated feedback loops,- involving water vapor, which is what actually governs the GH effect- not CO2- simulated feedback loops can just as easily show a butterfly flapping it's wings exterminating humanity
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
My irony meter just exploded.
I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------
China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.[citation needed] In 2013 the country had a total capacity of 378 GW of renewable power, mainly from hydroelectric and wind power. China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.
Although China currently has the world's largest installed capacity of hydro, solar and wind power, its energy needs are so large that in 2013 renewables provided just a little over 20% of its power generation, with most of the remainder provided by traditional coal power facilities.[1] Nevertheless, the share of renewable sources in the energy mix had been gradually rising from 2013.
China sees renewables as a source of energy security and not just only to reduce carbon emission.[2]China’s Action Plan for the Prevention and Control of Air Pollution issued by China’s State Council in September 2013, illustrates the government's desire to increase the share of renewables in China’s energy mix.[3] Unlike oil, coal and gas, the supplies of which are finite and subject to geopolitical tensions, renewable energy systems can be built and used wherever there is sufficient water, wind, and sun.[4]
As Chinese renewable manufacturing has grown, the costs of renewable energy technologies have dropped dramatically. Innovation has helped, but the main driver of reduced costs has been market expansion.[4] In 2015 China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, with 43 GW of total installed capacity.[5][6] From 2005 to 2014, production of solar cells in China has expanded 100-fold.[4]
China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.[citation needed] In 2013 the country had a total capacity of 378 GW of renewable power, mainly from hydroelectric and wind power. China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.
Although China currently has the world's largest installed capacity of hydro, solar and wind power, its energy needs are so large that in 2013 renewables provided just a little over 20% of its power generation, with most of the remainder provided by traditional coal power facilities.[1] Nevertheless, the share of renewable sources in the energy mix had been gradually rising from 2013.
China sees renewables as a source of energy security and not just only to reduce carbon emission.[2]China’s Action Plan for the Prevention and Control of Air Pollution issued by China’s State Council in September 2013, illustrates the government's desire to increase the share of renewables in China’s energy mix.[3] Unlike oil, coal and gas, the supplies of which are finite and subject to geopolitical tensions, renewable energy systems can be built and used wherever there is sufficient water, wind, and sun.[4]
As Chinese renewable manufacturing has grown, the costs of renewable energy technologies have dropped dramatically. Innovation has helped, but the main driver of reduced costs has been market expansion.[4] In 2015 China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, with 43 GW of total installed capacity.[5][6] From 2005 to 2014, production of solar cells in China has expanded 100-fold.[4]
At the mid-Atlantic ridge the seawater lava is a liquid at temperatures of 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F). And yet it does not flash into steam because of the great pressure it is under.
If we drop a tube down to the superhot seawater and start sucking it up it will expand as the pressure becomes less until it turns into steam with no place to go but up. The steam can then be used to turn turbines creating all the electrical energy the human race will ever need.
If we drop a tube down to the superhot seawater and start sucking it up it will expand as the pressure becomes less until it turns into steam with no place to go but up. The steam can then be used to turn turbines creating all the electrical energy the human race will ever need.
China is joining France and Britain in announcing plans to end sales of gasoline and diesel cars.
China's industry ministry is developing a timetable to end production and sale of traditional fuel cars and will promote development of electric technology, state media on Sunday cited a Cabinet official as saying.
France and Britain announced in July they will stop sales of gasoline and diesel automobiles by 2040 as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions that contribute to global warming.
Communist leaders also want to curb China's growing appetite for imported oil and see electric cars as a promising industry in which their country can take an early lead.
China passed the United States last year as the biggest electric car market. Sales of electrics and gasoline-electric hybrids rose 50 percent over 2015 to 336,000 vehicles, or 40 percent of global demand. U.S. sales totaled 159,620.
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China's industry ministry is developing a timetable to end production and sale of traditional fuel cars and will promote development of electric technology, state media on Sunday cited a Cabinet official as saying.
France and Britain announced in July they will stop sales of gasoline and diesel automobiles by 2040 as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions that contribute to global warming.
Communist leaders also want to curb China's growing appetite for imported oil and see electric cars as a promising industry in which their country can take an early lead.
China passed the United States last year as the biggest electric car market. Sales of electrics and gasoline-electric hybrids rose 50 percent over 2015 to 336,000 vehicles, or 40 percent of global demand. U.S. sales totaled 159,620.
https://tinyurl.com/ycsg6xb6
esmith
Veteran Member
The manufactures manufacture and sell the vehicles that the majority of the public wants, not what the minority of the public want.
From the below link, take a look at the top selling vehicles in the US and then tell me that the American public wants to end the manufacture of gas and diesel vehicles.
The 20 best-selling cars and trucks in America
Freedom is all well and good, but if we're all going to live together without harming each other and undermining the system supporting us, we need to implement certain restrictions. Sometimes people just can't have everything they want without screwing things up for everyone.
Why would one more environmental restriction be problematic?
Why would one more environmental restriction be problematic?
esmith
Veteran Member
What would you like to see?
I really don't need to live with the same ideas out here in the West as those in other parts of the country. I'll take my 4X4 3/4 Ton diesel pickup to go where I need to go vice a electric powered POS
esmith
Veteran Member
Yes, but you are not going to stop me from using the vehicles that I want. Yeah, I guess you could say I'm being one-way about it, but that's my prerogative so learn to live with it until technology can provide the torque and horsepower along with the fuel range and load capacity of a truck.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And I'm afraid that this is what all too many don't understand or don't really care about. And then, on top of that, they'd rather believe in their political sources versus what the scientific community, especially climate scientists that specialize in this area, have been saying for several decades now.
Then there are those who pretty much know but simply don't care.
We know through the fossil evidence that Neanderthals took care of one another because some who were seriously injured couldn't have fended for themselves, and yet we know they lived on. And we also know that ape line in general do the same thing, and yet there's a sizable segment of our society that couldn't care less, thus deciding to be less compassionate towards their own than either the Neanderthals or modern apes.
Sometimes I have to wonder if "civilization" is moving backwards to a new Dark Age.
esmith
Veteran Member
Again to answer some of you.
When technology can provide the torque and horsepower along with the fuel range and load capacity of a truck then we can talk about it also when you are a couple of hundred miles from a charging station what are you going to do. Also not all of us live in or travel in a area that the urban people do. Until then the only answer is a fossil fueled truck. Maybe if a certain political group-think group understands the people that live somewhere besides the urban and suburban areas they will not continue to lose .
When technology can provide the torque and horsepower along with the fuel range and load capacity of a truck then we can talk about it also when you are a couple of hundred miles from a charging station what are you going to do. Also not all of us live in or travel in a area that the urban people do. Until then the only answer is a fossil fueled truck. Maybe if a certain political group-think group understands the people that live somewhere besides the urban and suburban areas they will not continue to lose .
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You do realize an electric engine will give you a much better torque profile than gas or Diesel?
As for horsepower, unless you're racing I don't see why anyone would be concerned about it. Horsepower's not what you feel when you step on the gas. An engine only approaches its rated HP near redline -- which few pickup trucks will ever approach.
As for horsepower, unless you're racing I don't see why anyone would be concerned about it. Horsepower's not what you feel when you step on the gas. An engine only approaches its rated HP near redline -- which few pickup trucks will ever approach.
esmith
Veteran Member
Well I figured those reading what I wrote might not understand torque, but they have heard about horsepower so I included both of them. You do realize that when you are up in the mountains hunting or fishing and you pulled your trailer up there and planing on staying for 5-6 days and using the vehicle every day there is no place to charge you damn batteries. We all don't live in the city.
Where are you going to put the batteries for this electric engine. You do know that there are those of us that use a truck as a truck.