The End of War

[TransmutingSoul]

My goodness, is it so easy? 'tiz a wonder no one has thought of it before.

I would say many have thought about it and even offered some solutions, but it appears mankind was not and may still not be ready.

Maybe we have that capacity and chance in our day? I personally see we have got the capacity and chance for peace, but will we take it?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

1, As i stated in your oneness thread, the world does not want a world power to to overrule and dictate to them. Although its not a bad idea if it could work and all are agreed, there are too many who will not have such power imposed on them. Take a look at britain and their pulling out of europe. Just after half the voting population voted to scrap your idea even though the EU is nowhere near as dictatorial as you propose. Sovereignty is king (or queen) for such countries to risk isolation and poverty rather than be in with the group

2. Who would decide where the lines were and arbitrate conflict.

3. It may need a magic wand, can you imagine billionaires given up their wealth without a fight. And trust me, they have the money to fight.

4. Wonderful, do you think the Taliban would agree to dump their faith and let girls be educated?

5. Again wonderful, unfortunately there is a lot of testosterone sloshing about still so sadly, despite lip service, i don't think it could be 100% equality.

Ok, what would i add. The human race being the human race then perhaps a winner of WW3 could put a feasible plan together but i think thats doubtful.

But a war to stop all wars??? Been done and failed

1. I personally think the majority would rather see themselves participating as a global citizen. I think Nationalism is outdated.

How the change will happen may take a wave of more crisis such as covid-19.

2. I see the decisions will be mad by Nations elected representatives.

3. I see many very rich people are already giving up much wealth to the more needy and good causes. I see the majority will choose their path, their hearts will guide, but it will not be easy. Legislation and enforcement of those that can not change will assist.

4. I see it is most important that girls take priority in education and yes, I see it will happen, but how may be another topic. Currently it is underground in these areas where women are denied education.

5. Well I have seen many men change, just as I have and changed immensely. So I see the majority can an will give women their rightful voice and equality will win the day.

The thing to stop all wars may be a push button war? It may be an offence earth object, it may be a shaking the world of men is subdued by? There is no doubt though, war will move way to peace.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

All the 5 points and

6. Elimination of all prejudices, religious, racism, nationalism.


But seems to me wars are coming up, mostly in the Middle East. They are just getting ready for it.
1. The problem of Iran Nuclear plan
2. Animosity of Iran with Israel.
2.The religious differences between Muslims sects, in various Muslim countries
3. Russia might invade Ukraine

It appears another war may unfold. If it does, the most awful and horrific weapons we have ever seen will be on display.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Since the trend over time is a decline in wars, I see no reason for that trend not to continue. There might be a few more ups and downs, so to speak, but in maybe another 1000 years, we'll have gone 100 without a war.

Then lets hope that will then continue. Maybe we can make it happen faster?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

By posting a debate topic in a discussion forum.

Wait...are wars moderated?

It is for discussion and not debate.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's a nice endeavor but I feel our evolutionary and instinctive traits make such a goal impossible.

One thing however, is we can lessen the outbreaks of war, and enjoy longer periods of stability.

I think that is possible.

I see more and more people can rise above what we inherited from our animal connections to this world.

I am very optimistic.

Regards Tony

 

[JustGeorge]

**Moved to General Debates**​

 

[F1fan]

Well we have had the League of Nations and then the United Nations, it is almost there.

The nest step would be just setting National limits. Disarmament of weapons of mass destruction will have to be part of this. Nations would maintain their own internal police forces and contribute to the global force.

This has been partly implemented all ready.

Regards Tony

I'm not sure when you think this CAN happen, but I certainly doubt it'll be sooner than several more centuries. I don't think this just happen naturally. There will have to be gene design and those who have mindsets that think war is an option will have to be removed from the gene pool. It won't happen with nature or war.

 

[Heyo]

That is the discussion.

How can we end war?

It seems easy, let's try peace for a while and if peace does not work we could aways go back to war.

I see it will need to be initiated by a world wide effort, that will set specific goals to prevent war.

What about the Goals, what would they need to be?

Here are some thoughts.

1. A world elected body that has power to legislate and power to enforce what has been agreed to.
2. Boundaries of all Nations agreed to and set, the voice of the people heard in this process.
3. Elimination of extreme wealth and poverty, this may be need guiding legislation.
4. Education for every child guaranteed.
5. Equality of women with men guaranteed.

So let's discuss, what would you add to the list that will need a global effort to implement?

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Regards Tony

First we have to understand war. Usually most people don't like war. Then why is there still war?
Some people must like war so much that their will is strong enough to overpower the will of all those who don't like it. Some people profit from war. And, since profit is a holy cow in capitalism, no capitalist society can be prevented from war.
You'd have to slaughter that holy cow (and then some like patriotism and religiosity) to prevent war. Good luck.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

**Moved to General Debates**​

@Vinayaka

Even when I try a discussion. That is why conversations are placed in debates. People must have forgot what a discussion can be.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not sure when you think this CAN happen, but I certainly doubt it'll be sooner than several more centuries. I don't think this just happen naturally. There will have to be gene design and those who have mindsets that think war is an option will have to be removed from the gene pool. It won't happen with nature or war.

It could be a while, it could be in a couple of years, it could be a long time or we may never find peace.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

First we have to understand war. Usually most people don't like war. Then why is there still war?
Some people must like war so much that their will is strong enough to overpower the will of all those who don't like it. Some people profit from war. And, since profit is a holy cow in capitalism, no capitalist society can be prevented from war.
You'd have to slaughter that holy cow (and then some like patriotism and religiosity) to prevent war. Good luck.

We have to figure out how the majority that do not want war can be the way we choose.

I think you are right the power of a few overrides the majority. How do we change that? More accountability for the leaders, maybe penalties for poor choices as a leader?

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

How can we end war?

Still in your 'Utopia'? Russia has sent more soldiers to Ukrainian border and US is intending to do so. Pakistan and China has their armies facing Indian Army. Tehrik-e-Taliban and Baluch nationaist are at war with each other. Kurds attack on a Syrian jail may have killed some 500 teenage children of ISIS fighters. Wake up, Tony, wake up.

By posting a debate topic in a discussion forum.

And by posting quotes from an 19th Century Iranian.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Still in your 'Utopia'? Russia has sent more soldiers to Ukrainian border and US is intending to do so. Pakistan and China has their armies facing Indian Army. Tehrik-e-Taliban and Baluch nationaist are at war with each other. Kurds attack on a Syrian jail may have killed some 500 teenage children of ISIS fighters. Wake up, Tony, wake up.

Wake up to peace would be good. It is already my heart, what about you?

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

My country will never think of war unless it is forced upon us. As for myself, I am too old to participate in any, but would not want my government to back down. If anyone wants war, then let it be. I would be happy if my grandson joins army.

 

[Heyo]

We have to figure out how the majority that do not want war can be the way we choose.

I think you are right the power of a few overrides the majority. How do we change that? More accountability for the leaders, maybe penalties for poor choices as a leader?

Regards Tony

More accountability for the leaders is a good thing. The problem is that people have to vote in leaders who are willing to implement the accountability.
Most people are good, most of the time - but they are also stupid, lazy and fearful and thus easily manipulated. It takes knowledge and insight to see how people profit from war, how they get politicians to do their bidding and how wars are prepared so that they seem inevitable. It takes motivation to get people to first learn and than act against war and it takes courage to go against power and to not be manipulated by fear.
So the first step is education. The problem is that not everyone wants to be educated. So I think we'll have to settle for those willing to listen and hope that there will once be majority.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And by posting quotes from an 19th Century Iranian.

Please show a post in this OP that has a quote from either the Bab or Baha'u'llah, if that is what you mean by a "19th Century Iranian", which is technically wrong as it was still Persia.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

My country will never think of war unless it is forced upon us. As for myself, I am too old to participate in any, but would not want my government to back down. If anyone wants war, then let it be. I would be happy if my grandson joins army.

That is a good thing, I thought I would look and how do you see these wars?

5 Wars Fought by India After Independence

• Kashmir War of 1947- 48.
• India China War of 1962.
• India Pakistan War of 1965.
• India Pakistan War of 1971.
• Kargil War, 1999.

I am guessing none were started by India? Please advise.

Regards Tony

 

[Heyo]

My country will never think of war unless it is forced upon us. As for myself, I am too old to participate in any, but would not want my government to back down. If anyone wants war, then let it be.

Being willing and able to defend oneself is preventing war. Unfortunately, being willing and able to attack others needs exactly the same resources and almost the same mindset and it is what starts wars.
My country has a paragraph in its constitution that forbids the planning, execution or assistance of an attack war. It almost works. (Sadly, we still turn a blind eye when the US uses their facilities in our country to attack other countries.)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

More accountability for the leaders is a good thing. The problem is that people have to vote in leaders who are willing to implement the accountability.
Most people are good, most of the time - but they are also stupid, lazy and fearful and thus easily manipulated. It takes knowledge and insight to see how people profit from war, how they get politicians to do their bidding and how wars are prepared so that they seem inevitable. It takes motivation to get people to first learn and than act against war and it takes courage to go against power and to not be manipulated by fear.
So the first step is education. The problem is that not everyone wants to be educated. So I think we'll have to settle for those willing to listen and hope that there will once be majority.

I also see education is the key, along with women having a stronger voice.

So it is longer term, we will still face short term pains.

Regards Tony