The endless nonstop raging on about Trump.

[Twilight Hue]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

 

[Heyo]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

I'm also only slightly worried about Trump and find the obsession about him overhyped. What is more worrying is when you see Trump as a symptom. A (too) big part of the US citizenry (and almost all of the GOP) is willingly following an authoritarian with no respect for institutions, the law or the constitution. That is a dangerous development. The US already is a failing democracy and when that trend to fascism isn't reversed, it will become a failed state.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm also only slightly worried about Trump and find the obsession about him overhyped. What is more worrying is when you see Trump as a symptom. A (too) big part of the US citizenry (and almost all of the GOP) is willingly following an authoritarian with no respect for institutions, the law or the constitution. That is a dangerous development. The US already is a failing democracy and when that trend to fascism isn't reversed, it will become a failed state.

I think it could go either way.

A society of Fascism or a society of Marxism and Communism.

It seems like people have forgotten about what a true democracy and freedom is all about.

We're no longer in the desired area , that is that gray area of balance and harmony between two extremes , which in my opinion is necessary in order to make a proper civilized society function well.

 

[Heyo]

I think it could go either way.

A society of Fascism or a society of Marxism and Communism.

You're so far away from Marxism or Communism, you wouldn't recognise a Marxist when you saw one. The farthest left of your politicians would register centre or centre left in Europe. The dems would be a centre right party here.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You're so far away from Marxism or Communism, you wouldn't recognise a Marxist when you saw one. The farthest left of your politicians would register centre or centre left in Europe. The dems would be a centre right party here.

I don't believe that b******* for 1 minute.

 

[Heyo]

I don't believe that b******* for 1 minute.

What are the policies you fear may be enacted if the dems win House, Senate and Presidency in 2024 (with such a majority that they don't have to worry about Manchins and Sinemas)?

 

[Twilight Hue]

What are the policies you fear may be enacted if the dems win House, Senate and Presidency in 2024 (with such a majority that they don't have to worry about Manchins and Sinemas)?

The new green deal with its real intent via its riders and earmarks that the Democrats covertly sneak in with almost everything they push through.

Specifically that which is deemed as , "The treadmill of production" ergo state run capitalism.

Limits of the Green New Deal | Section on Marxist Sociology

The Green New Deal is the left’s most ambitious program on offer. Yet as written, it contains deep limitations.

marxistsociology.org

 

[Estro Felino]

An anthropological interpretation is that in the US there is a feminist dictatorship that means to undo the patriarchy; and they have decided that the patriarchy is embodied by the heterosexual, white, Christian man who is proud of being straight.
Trump is very proud of that.

Honestly I have never seen such a thing in Europe. In Europe the topics are the euro, immigration, the ECB, the banks, etc...

 

[Stevicus]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

I think it's more just a distraction than anything else by those who have nothing else to offer and no new ideas. The sad irony is that, if the Democrats had stuck to their original, traditional principles of being the party of the working man, Trump never would have made it to first base. They were never socialists, although they were seemingly so scared and intimidated by possibly being labeled socialist that they went too far in the wrong (global capitalist) direction. They supported outsourcing and the dismantling of America's industrial base. They neglected the infrastructure. They refused to support drug legalization or socialized medicine. They refused to control prices or rents. They refused to improve the educational system and make it more affordable.

You call them Marxists and Communists, but the fact is, they just don't have the backbone or the testicular fortitude to stand up to big business and corporate America. They're too effete, aristocratic, and weak to be considered real leftists. Even when they had the majority in Congress and the majority of voters behind them, they are/were too weak to even know what to do about it.

 

[PureX]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

Why should any of us care about what you aren't worried over? You seem to feel free to think everyone else's concerns are silly, so why should anyone else care about your lack of concern?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why should any of us care about what you aren't worried over? You seem to feel free to think everyone else's concerns are silly, so why should anyone else care about your lack of concern?

Well that's fine. Carry on then as you see fit.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it's more just a distraction than anything else by those who have nothing else to offer and no new ideas. The sad irony is that, if the Democrats had stuck to their original, traditional principles of being the party of the working man, Trump never would have made it to first base. They were never socialists, although they were seemingly so scared and intimidated by possibly being labeled socialist that they went too far in the wrong (global capitalist) direction. They supported outsourcing and the dismantling of America's industrial base. They neglected the infrastructure. They refused to support drug legalization or socialized medicine. They refused to control prices or rents. They refused to improve the educational system and make it more affordable.

You call them Marxists and Communists, but the fact is, they just don't have the backbone or the testicular fortitude to stand up to big business and corporate America. They're too effete, aristocratic, and weak to be considered real leftists. Even when they had the majority in Congress and the majority of voters behind them, they are/were too weak to even know what to do about it.

That would make sense except for one small detail. Most , with exception to one or two individuals, the Democrats are exceedingly wealthy beyond comprehension and very elitist alongside their Republican counterpart called fascist by the left wing.

it would seem counterproductive for Democrats to actually support and side with the working people outside of course their ongoing propaganda and platitudes that they are actually the good people who really care.

To the contrary , the constituency of the left as well as the right is viewed no further as being mere human cattle to be readily milked and fleeced for everything they got for the greater good of the state. Also known in Marxist circles as the motherland.

Your being raped by both parties.

 

[PureX]

Well that's fine. Carry on then as you see fit.

So now you presume to give me permission?

You sure think a lot of yourself!

 

[Twilight Hue]

So now you presume to give me permission?

You sure think a lot of yourself!

Oh not at all!

You sure think of yourself as a noble revolutionary!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That would make sense except for one small detail. Most , with exception to one or two individuals, the Democrats are exceedingly wealthy beyond comprehension and very elitist alongside their Republican counterpart called fascist by the left wing.

it would seem counterproductive for Democrats to actually support and side with the working people outside of course their ongoing propaganda and platitudes that they are actually the good people who really care.

To the contrary , the constituency of the left as well as the right is viewed no further as being mere human cattle to be readily milked and fleeced for everything they got for the greater good of the state. Also known in Marxist circles as the motherland.

Your being raped by both parties.

You see, this would actually serve as some fairly legitimate and on-point class-based criticism of the current situation in American politics and how it is effectively set up by the wealthy to serve the needs of the wealthy rather than by the people to serve the needs of the people.

Y'know, if it weren't in a thread about you explicitly defending Donald Trump, who is undeniably the worst example of practically all the bad things you list above.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You see, this would actually serve as some fairly legitimate and on-point class-based criticism of the current situation in American politics and how it is effectively set up by the wealthy to serve the needs of the wealthy rather than by the people to serve the needs of the people.

Y'know, if it weren't in a thread about you explicitly defending Donald Trump, who is undeniably the worst example of practically all the bad things you list above.

The last time I actually defended Trump was the last election.

Since then my posts and threads have no mention of me defending Trump as I have put it on the record that I won't be voting for him even if he's the nominee.

I'm simply not contributing anymore to the parties that are actively destroying this country for the common people in their quest for power and wealth, with the only exception of those from the left and right wings getting together and cooperating by creating another free party completely independent of either the Republicans or the Democrats.

 

[Stevicus]

That would make sense except for one small detail. Most , with exception to one or two individuals, the Democrats are exceedingly wealthy beyond comprehension and very elitist alongside their Republican counterpart called fascist by the left wing.

it would seem counterproductive for Democrats to actually support and side with the working people outside of course their ongoing propaganda and platitudes that they are actually the good people who really care.

To the contrary , the constituency of the left as well as the right is viewed no further as being mere human cattle to be readily milked and fleeced for everything they got for the greater good of the state. Also known in Marxist circles as the motherland.

Your being raped by both parties.

Whatever political disagreements are taking place in America, the level of debate has reached the point where it's like two kids shouting at each other, "I know you are, but what am I?" Over and over again. It's past the point where labeling or name-calling has any real effect anymore. They might as well have AI write all the speeches and rhetoric.

I think the trouble with the Democrats is that they stood by and let Trump set the tone, and then they tried to fight him on his own level, which is where they went wrong. They were ostensibly obliged to fight Trump in such a way that it would not upset the corporations or other powerful interests. That appears to be why they're hobbled and unable to put Trump away entirely.

Even as much as Americans pound their chests over how free and democratic we are, there has also been a certain militaristic, quasi-fascist bent which has remained woven into the national fabric for a very long time.

It's like Nixon talking to the portrait of JFK at the White House: "When they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."

 

[exchemist]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

In Europe we are deeply worried that Trump may win. It could easily mean defeat for Ukraine, the collapse of NATO and the end of serious American influence in the world, as well as a major setback for democracy. It would also blow a huge hole in efforts to contain climate change, worsening the prospects for all our descendants.

Trump, let’s not forget, does not respect the outcome of elections that go against him. So he has no time for democracy. We can expect he would not abide by the 2 term rule, he would further corrode judicial independence and he would devote great effort to revenge against his political enemies, which would have a chilling effect on free expression. He could even, on past form, encourage vigilante violence.

Re-election of Trump would be a disaster for the entire globe.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In Europe we are deeply worried that Trump may win. It could easily mean defeat for Ukraine, the collapse of NATO and the end of serious American influence in the world, as well as a major setback for democracy. It would also blow a huge hole in efforts to contain climate change, worsening the prospects for all our descendants.

Trump, let’s not forget, does not respect the outcome of elections that go against him. So he has no time for democracy. We can expect he would not abide by 2 term rule, he would further corrode judicial independence and he would devote great effort to revenge against his political enemies, which would have a chilling effect on free expression. He could even, on past form, encourage vigilante violence.

Re-election of Trump would be a disaster for the entire globe.

What seriously needs to be done is a process where only the most intelligent and capable people with a proven track record should be the ones that are on the top tier list of consideration for the office of president.

I don't know about you, but I feel the candidates are not chosen by the common citizen, they instead are presented by somebody else in power for the common citizen to choose from.

Even then , in the end, it's actually chosen by the electorate.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The last time I actually defended Trump was the last election.

Since then my posts and threads have no mention of me defending Trump as I have put it on the record that I won't be voting for him even if he's the nominee.

I'm simply not contributing anymore to the parties that are actively destroying this country for the common people in their quest for power and wealth, with the only exception of those from the left and right wings getting together and cooperating by creating another free party completely independent of either the Republicans or the Democrats.

Meh, fair enough, I guess.