The endless nonstop raging on about Trump.

[ChristineM]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

As a bystander, what i find funny is the endless nonstop raging against Biden. I wonder if anyone has done an analysis to see which is the most endless.

I must say that i see the Biden bashing more on RF them the Trump bashing.

As for me i think anyone who uses his wealth and privilege to grope women then boast about it deserves all the bashing there it.

 

[exchemist]

What seriously needs to be done is a process where only the most intelligent and capable people with a proven track record should be the ones that are on the top tier list of consideration for the office of president.

I don't know about you, but I feel the candidates are not chosen by the common citizen, they instead are presented by somebody else in power for the common citizen to choose from.

Even then , in the end, it's actually chosen by the electorate.

What needs to happen is very simple:

i) for justice to be done in the US courts expeditiously and

ii) for a small amendment to the US constitution, preventing convicted criminals who have not completed their sentence from being elected president.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What needs to happen is very simple:

i) for justice to be done in the US courts expeditiously and

ii) for a small amendment to the US constitution, preventing convicted criminals who have not completed their sentence from being elected president.

I can accept that.

One would think the President of the United States should not only be intelligent and capable , but also uphold superior values involving morality, dignity, fairness, and dedication to one's country and its common people.

Something that has been lost from the past. I think it's time to resurrect that philosophy.

 

[exchemist]

I can accept that.

One would think the President of the United States should not only be intelligent and capable , but also uphold superior values involving morality, dignity, fairness, and dedication to one's country and its common people.

Something that has been lost from the past. I think it's time to resurrect that philosophy.

You touch on something important here that we in the UK have also been pondering. Our unwritten constitution and, it now turns out, your written one, both depend on what one of our political writers calls the "good chaps theory of government". This is that the system works, provided the prevailing ethos is one in which candidates for high office respect the system and do not try to undermine it. Recent events have proved that when this good faith is absent, even the best designed systems - and the US one is thought by most to be pretty good - can start to fall apart.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

I'm planning on enjoying watching Trump and his cronies get their comeuppance.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

What ulcers? You mentioned raging. That's Trump raging at DAs, special prosecutors, and judges. That's the tantruming congressional Republican brats with their endless grievances. They're the ones burning holes in their stomach linings.

It seems like people have forgotten about what a true democracy and freedom is all about.

The Republicans are opposed to democracy. Trump is. He came out and said so recently: "We’ve been waging an all-out war on American democracy!!"

I don't believe that b******* for 1 minute.

Why does that matter? You offered no counterargument.

it would seem counterproductive for Democrats to actually support and side with the working people outside of course their ongoing propaganda and platitudes that they are actually the good people who really care.

You don't understand humanist values, which advocate for structuring society to afford the greatest number the greatest social and economic opportunity. It's people and community oriented. Some people continue to hold those values even after acquiring wealth, which include billionaires like Buffet and Gates, but not conservatives like Misk and Bezos.

The last time I actually defended Trump was the last election.

You're defending him now.

What seriously needs to be done is a process where only the most intelligent and capable people with a proven track record should be the ones that are on the top tier list of consideration for the office of president.

Have you seen any of the Republican debates?

 

[LuisDantas]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

I don't vote in the USA, so I guess I will have to just point out how utterly undeserving of respect he and his ilk - such as our own "bolsonaristas" and Argentina's Milei - often and emphatically and vote against their immature ambitions at every opportunity.

That includes stating out aloud how shameful some would-be press channels are.

 

[Revoltingest]

Treasonous leaders who failed a coup
ought to be bashed, especially when
they seek a return to power, & threaten
persecution of political enemies.

What's bizarre is that Trump is still loved
by MAGAs & Christian Nationalists.

 

[LuisDantas]

I think it could go either way.

It can't. Either you confront and defeat the fascistic tendencies among you, or you are swallowed by them and face the political and economic ruin that comes with that.

There isn't really any third option.

A society of Fascism

Very likely at this point, yes.

or a society of Marxism and Communism.

That is utter fantasy with no respect for the reality of facts.

No way the USA will ever adopt any form of left-wing values in the predictable future. It will have a hard enough time achieving a functional understanding of what those are.

Odds are that they will cease to the USA proper decades if not centuries before any form of such change can be even attempted.
It seems like people have forgotten about what a true democracy and freedom is all about.

We're no longer in the desired area , that is that gray area of balance and harmony between two extremes , which in my opinion is necessary in order to make a proper civilized society function well.

Indeed. You lost that ability with Reagan and the Religious Right, and commited to that path with GWB.

In a way Trump is just the symptom.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't believe that b******* for 1 minute.

And yet that is the pure, unadultered truth. So what gives?

 

[Revoltingest]

In a way Trump is just the symptom.

Trump is more than just a symptom.
He founded a cult, & actually altered the
Republican Party. Even independents I know
think Trump is the greatest Prez of our lifetime.

Countries can go crazy at times, & this can be
precipitated by individuals, eg, Stalin, Mao.
Trump looks very Stalinesque to me.

 

[LuisDantas]

Trump is more than just a symptom.
He founded a cult, & actually altered the
Republican Party. Even independents I know
think Trump is the greatest Prez of our lifetime.

Countries can go crazy at times, & this can be
precipitated by individuals, eg, Stalin, Mao.
Trump looks very Stalinesque to me.

So you don't see the direct line from Reagan to GWB to Trump?

Trump himself is a rather mediocre man, and probably always was. He is only significant because there is such a huge contingent of voters and politicians willing to lend him that significance in order to further their fantasies and ambitions, precarious and self-defeating as that strategy is.

He strikes me as far more of a pampered he-child that has shown usefulness as a catspawn of circunstance than a mover or shaker of even himself.

 

[Stevicus]

You touch on something important here that we in the UK have also been pondering. Our unwritten constitution and, it now turns out, your written one, both depend on what one of our political writers calls the "good chaps theory of government". This is is that the system works, provided the prevailing ethos is one in which candidates for high office respect the system and do not try to undermine it. Recent events have proved that when this good faith is absent, even the best designed systems - and the US one is thought by most to be pretty good - can start to fall apart.

"Good chaps"? I think America has run on the "good ol' boys theory of government," which is a bit different, I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you don't see the direct line from Reagan to GWB to Trump?

No. Reagan & the Bushes are very different animals
from Trump. None inspired a cult that favored
over-throw of an election, & threaten purges of foes.
Even Nixon (who also had an "enemies list" given to
the IRS) was a far better human than Trump.

 

[LuisDantas]

No. Reagan & the Bushes are very different animals
from Trump. None inspired a cult that favored
over-throw of an election, & threaten purges of foes.
Even Nixon (who also had an "enemies list" given to
the IRS) was a far better human than Trump.

I stand surprised. Reagan and GWB were very clearly stepping stones down towards Trump, and the Republican Party and the Religious Party both shaped and were shaped by that path.

 

[Revoltingest]

I stand surprised. Reagan and GWB were very clearly stepping stones down towards Trump, and the Republican Party and the Religious Party both shaped and were shaped by that path.

The religious right was there long long before Reagan.
And it was worse. Before Reagan, we had compulsory
Christian prayer required in public schools.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

It's the last gasp of a dying legacy media that has nothing to offer and less and less people pay attention to by the day. The Democratic Party also has nothing much to offer, so they welcome the distraction.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't believe that b******* for 1 minute.

Talk to anyone not living in the U.S. and they will tell you the same thing. Just watch some international news sometime, you will see.

 

[JustGeorge]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

Seldom do I jump into the political threads, but the OP reminded me of a conversation I had yesterday with my husband. He was complaining about some social group being everywhere, in a way he felt attacked, and I said "where? just who do you know that fits that bill?" He said he'd met one at work, a long time ago. "So what? That's very little influence!" I told him he needed to get off YouTube once and awhile, because it is affecting how he sees the immediate world around him.

If someone's hearing nonstop rage about Trump(or Biden), I'd question if they're not setting themselves up for it. And if they don't like it, there's something that can be done about it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So. We all know the opinions, raging, and statements on the topic about Trump by now.

One main question comes to mind for the chronic ragers that just cannot stop.

What are you actually going to do about it and is it going to work?

A reminder. Trump is not president anymore and I doubt he will be again. So why all the paranoia and alarm-ism over it?

I'm not worried over it. Hell, I'm not even worried about Biden.

You people are going to give yourselves ulcers!

I think that your complaining about others griping about Trump is ironic and disingenuous after I searched your posts for "left wing," "Democrats," and "nanny state." Not to mention how many times you mentioned Biden (either Joe or Hunter) in your posts. I looked at more than 10 pages of your posts containing these words. Given how many times you've included them in your posts, perhaps you should reconsider accusing others of chronic raging.

 

[wellwisher]

I'm also only slightly worried about Trump and find the obsession about him overhyped. What is more worrying is when you see Trump as a symptom. A (too) big part of the US citizenry (and almost all of the GOP) is willingly following an authoritarian with no respect for institutions, the law or the constitution. That is a dangerous development. The US already is a failing democracy and when that trend to fascism isn't reversed, it will become a failed state.

The problem is the political Left does not seem understand what Fascism and Democracy are, when they see it. Forget about word game ands use your eyes. For example, Biden and Trump are both running for President. In a Democracy, anyone who qualifies can run for president. In a Fascism state, nobody gets the run except the king fascist. Everyone else has to tow the line or else.

The Republicans are allowing others to run, while the Democrats do not, yet Trump is called the Fascist? Kennedy is trying to run on the Democrats side, but since Democracy is not allowed in a Fascist state, he has become a target of the Fascist regime, to discourage anyone else from not towing the line. Fake news and the propaganda machine, of the Democrats party, have to maintain the anger and fear of Trump, to keep the collective brain of their base, confused, unable to smell the coffee even when you can see the coffee maker. If everyone was calm and could return to reason, one would see the opposite of what you are being sold.

Before Trump ran for office, the legacy media and fake news; slanted Left, would do the same as they do to Trump, to any Republican politician. President George Bush 2, was constantly lied about, but he did what was expected and did not say anything or fight back. It was not dignified for the president. When Trunk came along, the same self important boneheads in legacy media, tried to do the same disrespectful things to Trump. Trump did the unexpected; he fought back, which was taboo among all the Lefty school yard bullies in politics and media. It became a 1000 against 1, gang attack, trying to put Trump in its place. Trump would not stay down but would get up swinging. The fascist used the mob to try to subdue one, but got bloodied by the one.

The Left got dirtier and dirtier. This caused many religious people, to relate to Trump and see him as victim, since religion and free speech was also under assault by the Fascist Left; 1 against 1000. The current selective prosecution against Trump, by the Fascists and the biased bullies in the media, is now increasing Trump's victim status, among the independents, blacks and minorities. It is not having the expected effect the Fascist propaganda ministers expected.

The Lefty wing propaganda requires their victim be seen as the Fascist bully. However, only the most rapid are still buying this. Trump still will not lie down. He sees the urgent need to remove the fascist legacy and restore Democracy for all. This is occurring at great cost to himself and his family, but somebody has to do it or become the martyr doing it.