The endless nonstop raging on about Trump.

[McBell]

For those claiming no sources...

Here's the propaganda on the ev mandate.....

FACT SHEET: The Biden-Harris Electric Vehicle Charging Action Plan | The White House

Vice President Kamala Harris to Announce Action Plan that Fast Tracks Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Investments President Biden has united automakers and

www.whitehouse.gov

Here's the mandate taking over the auto industry's means of production.....

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Steps to Drive American Leadership Forward on Clean Cars and Trucks | The White House

President Biden Outlines Target of 50% Electric Vehicle Sales Share in 2030 to Unleash Full Economic Benefits of Build Back Better Agenda and Advance

www.whitehouse.gov

Here's the pushback with the help of 5 honorable Democrats.....

House Votes to Strike Down Biden’s ‘EV Mandate’ As 5 Democrats Side With Republicans

The House on Wednesday passed legislation that seeks to block an Environmental Protection Agency rule that critics say amounts to

ijr.com

Still waiting for a source for:

Good example is the takeover of the auto industry where government controls and tells industry what it can and cannot produce on its assembly lines...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Still waiting for a source for:

Yes. That's part of the mandate to make so many EVs by forcing production on its assembly lines and have so many EVs placed on dealers lots at the governments decree.

It's pretty much right there in the open.

 

[McBell]

Yes. That's part of the mandate to make so many EVs by forcing production on its assembly lines and have so many EVs placed on dealers lots at the governments decree.

It's pretty much right there in the open.

So the government has not told them what they can and can not produce on their assembly lines like you claimed...
Got it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So the government has not told them what they can and can not produce on their assembly lines like you claimed...
Got it.

Yes they have told them. Get it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He only sourced the second half of his claim.
About the dealers whining they are not making enough money.
He has not sourced the part about the government telling the manufacturers what they can and can not make.

He won't. He never does. His own words are the only source he has.

 

[McBell]

Yes they have told them. Get it.

If you have presented the best you got...

You failed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, the range is very good. Do you drive three hundred miles a day?

When I say it won't work for me it's probably best to not challenge it.
Yes, sometimes I do drive that much. I also said I live in a very long state. That distance wont get me to LA or the Bay Area and back (especially as I have to drive through mountains to get to LA).

I do not know how Tesla dropped the ball in that area.

Other companies. Telsa just endangered us all by forcing us to participate in their parked-object hitting self driving beta testing that happens on open roads with anyone with enough money for it.
Other companies test on closed tracks or have trained drivers testing on open roads. Telsa, meanwhile, is getting sued for hitting cop cars.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If you have presented the best you got...

You failed.

Only in your socialist left wing world I did.

 

[McBell]

When I say it won't work for me it's probably best to not challenge it.
Yes, sometimes I do drive that much. I also said I live in a very long state. That distance wont get me to LA or the Bay Area and back (especially as I have to drive through mountains to get to LA).

Other companies. Telsa just endangered us all by forcing us to participate in their parked-object hitting self driving beta testing that happens on open roads with anyone with enough money for it.
Other companies test on closed tracks or have trained drivers testing on open roads. Telsa, meanwhile, is getting sued for hitting cop cars.

 

[McBell]

Only in your socialist left wing world I did.

oh
ouch
I almost felt that....

 

[Twilight Hue]

oh
ouch
I almost felt that....

Naw. You didn't. It's only the preliminary rounds."0)

 

[McBell]

Naw. You didn't. It's only the preliminary rounds."0)

If that is the best ya got, I have no worries

 

[Twilight Hue]

If that is the best ya got, I have no worries

I want you to say that government control of the means of production is completly non existent and instead, this is all completely and entirely voluntary where no automaker has to be forced by the federal government to produce state mandated Evs on their assembly lines if they don't want to , and to say auto dealers don't have to have a certain mandated number of electric vehicles physically on their lots at any givin time and there is no government decree forcing any of it on industry whatsoever.

 

[McBell]

I want you to say that government control of the means of production is completly non existent and instead, this is all completely and entirely voluntary where no automaker has to be forced by the federal government to produce state mandated Evs on their assembly lines if they don't want to , and to say auto dealers don't have to have a certain mandated number of electric vehicles physically on their lots at any givin time and there is no government decree forcing any of it on industry whatsoever.

As I have often told my children and now grand children:

Hold out both hands.​

Now sh*t in one and want in the other.​

Which one filled up first?​

​

The fact of the matter is that the government has not forbid the auto industry from making gas vehicles.
So you have only, at best, half arsed presented half the story.

Now if you want to fly on home and claim victory, by all means, go for it.
But you have not convinced me, and it appears you have not convinced several others, that your over dramatic bold empty claim is anything other than an over dramatic bold empty claim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

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It's not just Tesla. A car wrecked by Richard Hammond, I don't remember what kind exactly but he was racing it and went over a ledge, flipped it, stopped upside down and the car burned for a few days.
Another issue is fire departments will have to be ready to put out large electrical fires. A truck showing up full of water would be useless.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As I have often told my children and now grand children:

Hold out both hands.​

Now sh*t in one and want in the other.​

Which one filled up first?​

​

The fact of the matter is that the government has not forbid the auto industry from making gas vehicles.
So you have only, at best, half arsed presented half the story.

Now if you want to fly on home and claim victory, by all means, go for it.
But you have not convinced me, and it appears you have not convinced several others, that your over dramatic bold empty claim is anything other than an over dramatic bold empty claim.

That's because I actually care if Marxism and Socialism starts taking root in this country.

I'm not going to keep quiet about it.