The endless nonstop raging on about Trump.

[Twilight Hue]

Not even close.

No. It's directly to the point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. It's directly to the point.

Not at all since it was a strawman argument. There is some government regulation, but it is demonstrably needed. You made a claim that put a huge burden of proof upon you and then expected others to accept your BS without any evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

From your quote, we see the agreed upon criterion
for communism being lack of private property.
Socialism allows for it. This I find to be a highly
significant difference. The ability to own a home,
some land, & a forklift is wonderful.

Yes, a pure Marxist communism would be hell on Earth. There never has been such a country and hopefully never will be one. It does not allow for human nature. But as my European source that agrees with us Americastanians says communism is a form of socialism. It is socialism with no capitalism. Pure capitalism would not be any better then pure socialism. Justice itself would be literally (and I am using the word properly) for sale. The question is where to draw the line.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not at all since it was a strawman argument. There is some government regulation, but it is demonstrably needed. You made a claim that put a huge burden of proof upon you and then expected others to accept your BS without any evidence.

Some?

You mean massive takeover to the point the auto industry is essentially telling the Biden administration to butt out of taking control over their business by stating what must be manufactured as well as what must be on their lots.

Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout

The US already lags far behind China and Europe, but we're going too fast, dealers say.

arstechnica.com

Opinion | Car Dealers to Biden: EVs Aren’t Selling

Some 3,900 sellers ask for a reprieve from his onerous sales mandate.

www.wsj.com

It's goverment socialism at work and that the fact.

The evidence is right in your own face and you can't even see it.

BS my ***.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some?

You mean massive takeover to the point the auto industry is essentially telling the Biden administration to butt out of taking control over their business by stating what must be manufactured as well as what must be on their lots.

Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout

The US already lags far behind China and Europe, but we're going too fast, dealers say.

arstechnica.com

Opinion | Car Dealers to Biden: EVs Aren’t Selling

Some 3,900 sellers ask for a reprieve from his onerous sales mandate.

www.wsj.com

It's goverment socialism at work and that the fact.

The evidence is right in your own face and you can't even see it.

BS my ***.

Is that all that you have? About one in four dealership is complaining about not being able to get buggy whips?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is that all that you have? About one in four dealership is complaining about not being able to get buggy whips?

It's socialism in practice. That's plenty.

Fossil is flat out superior by far. . Instead, the actual buggy whips are all that garbage EV crap the socialist state wants to force people to drive as they further take over industry.

Of course , it's obvious here you wouldn't recognize actual superior technology if it drove in front of you and instead called fossil power 'buggy whips' as if a bunch of worthless glorified golf's carts are the new cutting edge over everything else.

News flash. It's not. Learn the difference.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The sad irony is that, if the Democrats had stuck to their original, traditional principles of being the party of the working man, Trump never would have made it to first base.

That isba sad reality. Many focus on the racial aspects of Obama's presidency that helped give rise to Trump, but it often gets neglected to point out Bill Clinton also helped create him with NAFTA.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fossil is flat out superior by far

Maybe by FantasyLand standards.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Maybe by FantasyLand standards.

Yes. For the Ev fanatics with their garbage battery powered golf carts.

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[Subduction Zone]

It's socialism in practice. That's plenty.

Ah, so you are admitting that you are wrong agaim.

Fossil is flat out superior by far. . Instead, the actual buggy whips are all that garbage EV crap the socialist state wants to force people to drive as they further take over industry.

You forgot about AGW. What happens when fossil fuels have a fee to pay to clean up their damage?

Of course , it's obvious here you wouldn't recognize actual superior technology if it drove in front of you and instead called fossil power 'buggy whips' as if a bunch of worthless glorified golf's carts are the new cutting edge over everything else.

News flash. It's not. Learn the difference.

Oh my. You think that buggy whips are superior technology to cars. You are about five years behind the times on your claims about EV's. Learn the difference.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes. For the Ev fanatics with their garbage battery powered golf carts.

.

Is that why EVs have been demolishing track records?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that why EVs have been demolishing track records?

And ranges are now quite common over 300 miles and even 400 is not unheard of.

Oh my! I had to look it up. Average range in the US is now 291 miles and increasing:

US Electric Cars Set Record With Almost 300-Mile Average Range

The average range for an EV in the US has quadrupled since 2011, and is today a third higher than the average globally.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[McBell]

Is that all that you have? About one in four dealership is complaining about not being able to get buggy whips?

Personally, I am still waiting for his sources of:

Good example is the takeover of the auto industry where government controls and tells industry what it can and cannot produce on its assembly lines.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Personally, I am still waiting for his sources of:

That was his source. I was not impressed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Personally, I am still waiting for his sources of:

That's all you'll ever get from him.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And ranges are now quite common over 300 miles and even 400 is not unheard of.

Oh my! I had to look it up. Average range in the US is now 291 miles and increasing:

US Electric Cars Set Record With Almost 300-Mile Average Range

The average range for an EV in the US has quadrupled since 2011, and is today a third higher than the average globally.

www.bloomberg.com

Yeah, the range isn't good and wouldn't work for me, but I'm not an average driver and I live in a really long state. But that's just me and ultimately EVs are proving to be awesome cars that blow dino-juice out of the water. It's a leap about on par with going from the steam engine to the internal combustion engine. It's big, it's impressive, and its predecessor just mechanically cannot compete against it.
The only issue I see is without government assistance it's going to hurt the poor and a chunk of the middle class when ICE is harder to find with the substantially higher upfront costs of an EV.

 

[McBell]

That was his source. I was not impressed.

He only sourced the second half of his claim.
About the dealers whining they are not making enough money.
He has not sourced the part about the government telling the manufacturers what they can and can not make.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He only sourced the second half of his claim.
About the dealers whining they are not making enough money.
He has not sourced the part about the government telling the manufacturers what they can and can not make.

I think that I may no him too well. That was his evidence of government telling dealers what they can make. Now the government may have given tax incentives to make more electric cars. That to me is wise government. Businesses do not always work for the best interest of not just the US people, and definitely not for the world as a whole, even if it is best for them in the long run.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, the range isn't good and wouldn't work for me, but I'm not an average driver and I live in a really long state. But that's just me and ultimately EVs are proving to be awesome cars that blow dino-juice out of the water. It's a leap about on par with going from the steam engine to the internal combustion engine. It's big, it's impressive, and its predecessor just mechanically cannot compete against it.
The only issue I see is without government assistance it's going to hurt the poor and a chunk of the middle class when ICE is harder to find with the substantially higher upfront costs of an EV.

No, the range is very good. Do you drive three hundred miles a day?

And EV's will probably get cheaper. The engineering appears to be less complex. What I see coming are self driving cars, and they may replace taxis. I do not know how Tesla dropped the ball in that area. Over confidence perhaps? It may be cheaper and safer to only hire a car when needed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

For those claiming no sources...

Here's the propaganda on the ev mandate.....

FACT SHEET: The Biden-Harris Electric Vehicle Charging Action Plan | The White House

Vice President Kamala Harris to Announce Action Plan that Fast Tracks Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Investments President Biden has united automakers and

www.whitehouse.gov

Here's the mandate taking over the auto industry's means of production.....

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Steps to Drive American Leadership Forward on Clean Cars and Trucks | The White House

President Biden Outlines Target of 50% Electric Vehicle Sales Share in 2030 to Unleash Full Economic Benefits of Build Back Better Agenda and Advance

www.whitehouse.gov

Here's the pushback with the help of 5 honorable Democrats.....

House Votes to Strike Down Biden’s ‘EV Mandate’ As 5 Democrats Side With Republicans

The House on Wednesday passed legislation that seeks to block an Environmental Protection Agency rule that critics say amounts to

ijr.com