The Equal Rights Amendment...What Do You Think Of It?

[Father Heathen]

There were non-apes in the movie and well as in the squeals. So one would have to be a mind reader to say the comment referenced apes. Go see the movie.

No **** it has human characters, but it's obvious what was supposed to be inferred, otherwise why else reference the movie?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Let's stop pretending that women would rather work than to be traditional housewives and stay-at-home mothers (which is the way it has been for centuries). Let us stop pretending that "equality" constitutes giving equal pay to women and so-called "minorities" who don't work as hard as men do.

Tell you what, hire an entire working field of female steel workers and construction workers and compare their functionality to male workers. If their efficiency and work are equal to the men's then I will be convinced.

Hey I think there's something on your face. Oh it's just your outdated sexist views. Never mind, carry on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Women have been treated fairly for longer than you think!

"Fair treatment" is a subjective term, and it does not mean or imply equal. This thread isn't about what someone deems as fair treatment, but rather the idea that men and women should be equal under the law.

 

[Revoltingest]

The power to draft an army is a power given to Congress by the US Constitution. It isn't a right given to citizens. Therefore, Congress can decide who it drafts and how because that is the power given it by the US Constitution.

Of course! There's always a rationale to grant unequal rights.
But there's the problem of compulsory service being "involuntary servitude",
which is specifically prohibited by the Constitution's 13th Amendment.
Armies can be raised by offering sufficient compensation to meet needs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No **** it has human characters, but it's obvious what was supposed to be inferred, otherwise why else reference the movie?

Maybe Roseanne meant it is a compliment of being highly intelligent like the chimpanzees in the movies?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

There were non-apes in the movie and well as in the squeals. So one would have to be a mind reader to say the comment referenced apes. Go see the movie.

Ape is a common term used as a racist remark toward people of African decent

List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Of course! There's always a rationale to grant unequal rights.
But there's the problem of compulsory service being "involuntary servitude",
which is specifically prohibited by the Constitution's 13th Amendment.
Armies can be raised by offering sufficient compensation to meet needs.

And of course the US Military is sufficiently large enough to not need a draft. But that doesn't stop the US government from dangling to entire future of young men in front of their face with threats of various penalties for failing to register. We are in a very privileged position to not need any sort of mandatory conscription, and it should be a freedom we enjoy, equally as men and women, to not have to sign up, under penalty of law, here in the so-called "land of the free."

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Perhaps you haven't read the tweet. There was no racist epithet.
Tom

Comparing a woman of African descent to apes is a racist epithet. Only an extremist would think that is ok.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Funny how the terms "extremist" and "racist" (and even "sexist") are always misused by liberals to describe anyone who doesn't agree with them. Talk about extremism, lol.

How about someone who compares black people to apes. Racist or not racist?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

The kind of vicious disparagement that is common in political comedy.
Tom

And this is the depths that conservatism has plunged to in America.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

There were non-apes in the movie and well as in the squeals. So one would have to be a mind reader to say the comment referenced apes. Go see the movie.

A horse can be led to water . . .

 

[Revoltingest]

I take it you see it as unnecessary?

It seems so.
But I'm willing to hear arguments for its benefits.

Or how do you think the wording should be altered to make it effective?

Good question.
I've been pondering it.
My solution is to divide constitutional amendments into 2 parts.
1) The wording of the amendment, eg, you see as it stands in the ERA.
2) An ancillary document which gives elaboration on the intended effects, complete with examples.
This would guide interpretation, ie, "original intent" of the amendment.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, considering it was first introduced nearly a century ago such vagueness would have including things such as voting, equal access to education, and other gains that came around the same time or after it was first introduced. But, I agree that is it is worded it would be redundant under current federal law.

Why is everyone being so gosh darn agreeable today...in this thread!

 

[MountainPine]

How about someone who compares black people to apes. Racist or not racist?

There is no need to get hostile and dish out strawmen. I'm talking about people who label Trump-supporters, like myself, as "racist".

 

[Revoltingest]

Side note.....
Even Abraham Lincoln was called a "gorilla" by his opposition.
I wish people heaped such wonderful insults upon me.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Of course! There's always a rationale to grant unequal rights.

Being drafted into the army is not a right held by women or men.

But there's the problem of compulsory service being "involuntary servitude",
which is specifically prohibited by the Constitution's 13th Amendment.

The 13th prohibited citizens from having slaves. It didn't prohibit compulsory military service which was already a power granted to Congress. As a citizen you can't go to your neighbor and demand money, but Congress does have the power to tax your neighbor. You need to understand which powers have been given to each branch of government and to citizens.

Armies can be raised by offering sufficient compensation to meet needs.

Then we don't have to worry about the draft, so your point is kind of moot.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

There is no need to get hostile and dish out strawmen. I'm talking about people who label Trump-supporters, like myself, as "racist".

It wasn't a rhetorical question. Do you think comparing black people to apes is racist or not racist?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Side note.....
Even Abraham Lincoln was called a "gorilla" by his opposition.
I wish people heaped such wonderful insults upon me.

Do you think comparing a black person to apes is racist or not racist?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Side note.....
Even Abraham Lincoln was called a "gorilla" by his opposition.
I wish people heaped such wonderful insults upon me.

You yellow bellied faux Scot of a septic Yank!

 

[MountainPine]

It wasn't a rhetorical question. Do you think comparing black people to apes is racist or not racist?

Of course it is racist. It is just as racist as people making blond jokes, which is, in my opinion, very racist.