Secret Chief
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The best we'll do on that is to agree it is both.
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The Ethics of Eating Meat
- Thread starter Left Coast
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Detente enuf for me.
Secret Chief
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In what way/s?
Bird123
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From time to time, I run into people who think God wants people not to eat meat. I even pondered this idea for a while when I discovered the truth right in front of my eyes.
A person needs vitamin B-12 which mainly comes from animal meat. If God does not want people to eat animal meat, why do we all need a vitamin from it?
Death is a part of life for people as well as animals. It is worked into the food chain systems. On the other hand mankind has a long way to go as far as respecting and given dignity to our food chain animals. Don't we owe them at least a little part of a life with things like open ranges and not being boxed in with no freedom at all? Doesn't everyone and every creature want a life? Is mankind so selfish that we all could not work harder at this?
Oh yes, meat has lots of protein in it. I have seen many vegetarians not having enough protein in their diets. This could have many consequences so watch it closely.
That's what I see. It's very clear.
Ahh .. both myths, again. Here's a recent research paper.
Vitamin B12 Deficiency in Meat Eaters, Vegetarians, Vegans, Farm Animals & What To Do
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Very interesting. Mankind is altering food sources. I'm sure this will become a problem at some point in the future. On the other hand, before mankind started altering the food chain, the B-12 came from meat.
I realize when mankind processes food, things do change. I may have to do more research. The only true healthy way might be to raise your own food sources.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I would say I was more akin with the vulture. I do eat meat but that's only because the animal is already dead.
I have killed and assisted with killing animals for their meat but it never was a fun experience for me during the slaughtering process. Death is never pretty and the quicker the animal dies, the better. The thing I think it's the most unethical it would be as if you let the animal needlessly suffer.
Killing for food is an aspect of Nature and we're definitely inclusive of that. We are animals and we do partake in the food chain as a predatory ape.
Saying all that, I would probably not be motivated to kill any living creature myself anymore unless it was a survival situation where I had to be predatory. So like a lot of canivorious and omnivorous animals, killing only when you have to would be the most ethical in view of how natural wildlife kills for its food in general.
In the meantime my role, would be as a vulture where I just circle the kill and then swooped in for my piece of meat which of course would be at my local butcher or grocery store.
I am however now very intrigued with the advances of science we're it's now on the cusp to where we can grow cultured meat rather than killing animals to get their meat. The only sacrifice the animal makes is that of a few of its cells to make a fine cut of naturally grown meat. The benefit of that is obviously incalculable for a vast multitude of reasons with the most important being the animal never had to die for it.
Another is that one cow or chicken could feed hundreds even thousands plus of people.
The proverbial loaves of bread and fish where science is in the role of Jesus feeding the multitude.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I've mentioned that fact many times in the past. The only reason why I eat meat is not only because it tastes good, it's also necessary to for me to sustain proper brain health.
While it can be extracted from other sources, its still impossible to make enough for a large population to live off on which is why meat is still the primary source for vitamin B12 and not from other alternate sources.
Erebus
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Sorry, I wasn't very clear.
Unsustainable in the sense that it was too expensive and impractical.
I'm hoping independent research will allow us to make sound decisions around agriculture. To date, much of the 'research' has come from the food industry itself. We need neutral research.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
A person needs three micrograms of B-12 a day on average, easily found in fortified vegan foods.
The effects of B12 deficiency, are hard to figure, and even harder is how to better absorb it. Lots of theories. The good thing is that it's not as debilitating as Vitamin C or D deficiencies which have their own names. I'm guessing there is a substantial variance on need from person to person, making it more difficult to figure.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Any balanced vegan diet provides enough protein (+ carbs + fats). There's plenty of youtube videos of vegan body builders to knock that old myth on the head. My neighbour's 22 year old son has been a vegan since he was 15; he works out a lot at the gym and is built like the proverbial brick **** house.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying my value of all life is absurd to you?
And you're calling my logic absurd? My arm is not my offspring.
Lettuce continues to grow after it's been cut. Kinda like grass. Taking cuttings from lettuce kills it as much as you're killing your grass by cutting it.
Show me one post in this thread that suggests nothing is harmed or killed eating a vegetarian or vegan diet.
But it appears to me that you are suggesting that since humans harm or kill some things in the process of living, it's pretty much okay to kill anything...as long as it's not human.
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Secret Chief
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The same as the elephant, the rhino and the hippo. And yet they seem to not be lacking in muscle.So? Where do you get your protein?
The same as the elephant, the rhino and the hippo. And yet they seem to not be lacking in muscle.
I think they take B12 supplements.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
And seaweed for the iodine!I think they take B12 supplements.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The same as the elephant, the rhino and the hippo. And yet they seem to not be lacking in muscle.
I tend to think of them as more blubbery than muscular. *Grin*