The evidence supporting "gender affirming care" is of very low reliability

[We Never Know]

Sorry, I seem to have confused you two horses again.

I'm not confused. I'm male. You are a transgender female. Pretty clear.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not confused. I'm male. You are a transgender female. Pretty clear.

You and IceHorse both use a horse avatar. You two look the same to me and this isn't the first time I've made the mistake.
That was the point but you're just as bad as he is when it comes to missing them.
Amd the by the way, I'm female. I just said I don't do the trans/cis thing unless it's needed for clarity.

 

[We Never Know]

You and IceHorse both use a horse avatar. You two look the same to me and this isn't the first time I've made the mistake.
That was the point but you're just as bad as he is when it comes to missing them.
Amd the by the way, I'm female. I just said I don't do the trans/cis thing unless it's needed for clarity.

Here's some free advice... Respond by the name of the poster instead of the picture.
You would really be lost and confused if everyone used the same picture.

 

[We Never Know]

You and IceHorse both use a horse avatar. You two look the same to me and this isn't the first time I've made the mistake.
That was the point but you're just as bad as he is when it comes to missing them.
Amd the by the way, I'm female. I just said I don't do the trans/cis thing unless it's needed for clarity.

"needed for clarity"

I was being clear.

 

[Soandso]

Its not a matter of if it happens.... Its a matter of how it would turn out if it did.

So the pretend scenario matters because it would happen if it happened even though it will never happen? I mean, I prefer the pretend scenario where some random family member who I've never heard of dies and leaves me unimaginable wealth from their inheritance, but meh

 

[We Never Know]

So the pretend scenario matters because it would happen if it happened even though it will never happen? I mean, I prefer the pretend scenario where some random family member who I've never heard of dies and leaves me unimaginable wealth from their inheritance, but meh

My my.... here's some more reality for ya

If you rob a bank and get caught you will go to jail. Notice the "if"

Now you can respond with "I would never rob a bank so it will never happen"(which makes it hypothetical)

I will respond with "I never said you would. I said what would happen if you did". IOW the outcome

 

[Guitar's Cry]

A little reality that I read last week....

Take 50 women and 50 men and put them on a deserted island. Go back in a 100 years and there will be a thriving population.

Take 50 transwomen and 50 men and put them on a deserted island. Go back in a 100 years and there will be 100 male skeletons.

Take 50 males with a vasectomy and 50 females and you have 100 skeletons.

Take 50 males and 50 females with tubal ligation and you have 100 skeletons.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

A little reality that I read last week....

Take 50 women and 50 men and put them on a deserted island. Go back in a 100 years and there will be a thriving population.

Take 50 transwomen and 50 men and put them on a deserted island. Go back in a 100 years and there will be 100 male skeletons.

Take 50 males with a vasectomy and 50 females and you have 100 skeletons.

Take 50 males and 50 females with tubal ligation and you have 100 skeletons.

 

[Soandso]

My my.... here's some more reality for ya

If you rob a bank and get caught you will go to jail. Notice the "if"

Now you can respond with "I would never rob a bank so it will never happen"(which makes it hypothetical)

I will respond with "I never said you would. I said what would happen if you did". IOW the outcome

Meh. That's a false equivalence, though. At least people rob banks in real life

Anyone can make up any fake scenario to make a point. People will recognize it for what it is, though, and promptly dismiss it

 

[icehorse]

And I can furnish far more that says otherwise. But, in other threads you have consistently dismissed it.
You aren't interested in debate or learning. You are clearly only interested in attacking transpeople.
And to remind you, your agenda harms ciswomen the most.

Your personal attacks are simply untrue. Please stop.

Did you even scan the links I provided? Are you aware that two of those links quote the head of GD care in Finland? I think she's more of an authority than you are. If you want to provide links newer than mine, I remain open to reading them.

 

[We Never Know]

Take 50 males with a vasectomy and 50 females and you have 100 skeletons.

Take 50 males and 50 females with tubal ligation and you have 100 skeletons.

Exactly. Just as true as what my post said.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Exactly. Just as true as what my post said.

But I am curious on what the point is? A person is more than their ability to reproduce and what their skeleton looks like.

 

[We Never Know]

But I am curious on what the point is? A person is more than their ability to reproduce and what their skeleton looks like.

The point I reckon resides in the person who wrote it. I shared it.

However when it's a skeleton, gender is no longer relevant... females become males again via the skeleton.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The reckon point resides in the person who wrote it. I shared it.

However when it's a skeleton, gender is no longer relevant... females become males again via the skeleton.

Usually human remains aren't found in total isolation. There's usually clothes and other gendered signifiers specific to a culture and era to give us ideas or tell us how this person was seen. We have grave markers, too, that even tell us the person's name and may have their likeness on them. It's like that 10th century Viking skeleton that was found in the 19th century and was in the news a lot. It was buried with a warrior's grave goods and assumed to be male. It wasn't until recent years that they did testing and found the skeleton was biologically female, which caused a bit uproar because it was generally thought there was no such thing as a female Norse warrior beforehand. It's possible this individual may have seen themselves as more of a man than a woman. Either way, they were an exceptional individual in Norse society.

Birka grave Bj 581 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[We Never Know]

Usually human remains aren't found in total isolation. There's usually clothes and other gendered signifiers specific to a culture and era to give us ideas or tell us how this person was seen. We have grave markers, too, that even tell us the person's name and may have their likeness on them. It's like that 10th century Viking skeleton was that found in the 19th century and was in the news a lot. It was buried with a warrior's grave goods and assumed to be male. It wasn't until recent years that they did testing and found the skeleton was biologically female, which caused a bit uproar because it was generally thought there was no such thing as a female Norse warrior beforehand. It's possible this individual may have seen themselves as more of a man than a woman. Either way, they were an exceptional individual in Norse society.

Birka grave Bj 581 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"it was generally thought there was no such thing as a female Norse warrior beforehand. It's possible this individual may have seen themselves as more of a man than a woman"

Certainly. However the skeleton told the story.

 

[The Hammer]

Take 50 males with a vasectomy and 50 females and you have 100 skeletons.

Take 50 males and 50 females with tubal ligation and you have 100 skeletons.

Take 50 males, and 50 females, and strip away the flesh to expose the bones, and summon an Elder God you. And you'll have a party.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"it was generally thought there was no such thing as a female Norse warrior beforehand. It's possible this individual may have seen themselves as more of a man than a woman"

Certainly. However the skeleton told the story.

You've missed the whole point of my post. A skeleton may not tell the whole story. Hence, why we rely on all the artifacts of a grave to tell us who a person was in life, which isn't just their biological makeup.

 

[We Never Know]

You've missed the whole point of my post. A skeleton may not tell the whole story. Hence, why we rely on all the artifacts of a grave to tell us who a person was in life, which isn't just their biological makeup.

I know what your point was. That person probably lived as a man, was seen as a man, fought with the warriors, etc etc.
Everyone thought that until the skeleton told the story.

 

[The Hammer]

I know what your point was. That person probably lived as a man, was seen as a man, fought with the warriors, etc etc.
Everyone thought that until the skeleton told the story.

Ergo it's more important how one portrays themselves in society itself then what anyone person thinks of their "biology"

 

[We Never Know]

Ergo it's more important how one portrays themselves in society itself then what anyone person thinks of their "biology"

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That doesn't change what I said.