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The Evolution Chamber: Piltdown Man

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Isn't the scientific method wonderful! It's a self-correcting method that changes it's conclusions based on new evidence and the review of old evidence. It's been BY FAR the best method humans have discovered for determining the reality of the physical universe.

Sadly, if Piltdown Man had been part of some theist's ancient religious texts, then they would undoubtedly be making up all sorts of delusional excuses for why it's actually true.
That's the major thing about theism. I can't recall single time where creationist said something was wrong and false and changed it in light of new information surfacing.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
I can't recall single time where creationist said something was wrong and false and changed it in light of new information surfacing.
Not so! Ray Comfort (aka banana man) retracted his scientific theory about the banana being created specially to fit into the human hand when it was revealed to him that the banana he was talking about was the hybrid result of thousands of years of deliberate human cultivation. He is now working on a replacement theory about how another (sometimes) vaguely banana shaped object was supernaturally designed specially to fit into his hand.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The velociraptors were to large. Utah Raptor would have been the better candidate. .but velociraptor sounds cooler and making them larger and more intimidating was better for the movie. And scaly monsters look scarier than big feathered chickens. I'm pretty sure that was their thinking anyway. ....maybe. o_O
I speculate that the critters were recreated using imperfect genetic
reconstruction, so there'd be variation from the originals.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
The evolution chamber is a look back at classic science. An historical look at the theory of Evolution.

Today's episode: Piltdown Man

From 1912 to 1953 Piltdown man was accepted as genuine by the evolution community. After 40 years of prestige in the halls of peer reviewed reproducible observation (i.e. insert head in ***) it was discovered that it was human and ape bones put together and artificially aged. 40 years.


Nebraska man was also a artifact which along with Piltdown man was considered slam dunk evidence at the Scopes trial.... turned out Nebraska man was a tooth of an extinct pig and Piltdown man a fraud so the Brits could catch up with the German neanderthal... sad
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Nebraska man was also a artifact which along with Piltdown man was considered slam dunk evidence at the Scopes trial.... turned out Nebraska man was a tooth of an extinct pig and Piltdown man a fraud so the Brits could catch up with the German neanderthal... sad
No, it wasn't. This claim of yours was already refuted, but go ahead. Find a reliable source that supports your claim. After you fail to do so and admit it I will supply a valid source that refutes your claim.

Or you could save some time and admit your error now.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Yeah, but Christianity isn't presented as peer reviewed, reproducible, irrefutable, blah, blah, blah . . . fact.
That because Christianity have nothing to do with science.

Religion don't deal with facts.

Your blah, blah, blah is very typical reaction of someone who don't understand science, don't want to understand science and never will understand science.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Science isn't a monolithic entity. This is something that enthusiastic laymen for or against often forget.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No it wasn't, objections and concerns were raised from the very start, it was only in England that it had overall acceptance.
I just finished watching this video that deals with the Piltdown Man and other frauds of evolution. It would behoove the OP to watch it:


You will probably enjoy it as well.
 

Earthling

David Henson
No it wasn't, objections and concerns were raised from the very start, it was only in England that it had overall acceptance.

Nonsense. Museums worldwide prominently featured copies and photographs of the skull, while books and periodicals quickly spread the news.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nonsense. Museums worldwide prominently featured copies and photographs of the skull, while books and periodicals quickly spread the news.
I can't speak to the accuracy of this, but even if correct, the controversy still existed.
Museums are all a work in progress, & often have out of date & incorrect info.
Have you ever worked in/for a museum?
I do, & criminy, is it a lot of work to present cromulent info.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I hope no one is suggesting that we scrap the study of the development of man simply because someone hoaxed a discovery over 100 years ago.o_O
 
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