The evolving human consciousness

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I'm not sure of what you are saying. Do you believe there are dead souls that connect with the living?

Yes, I believe that the souls do not die. The body dies and the soul transmigrates and enters into another living fetus in a mother's womb and it lives.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, I believe that the souls do not die. The body dies and the soul transmigrates and enters into another living fetus in a mother's womb and it lives.

I guess you learned that from your religion? I believe what the Bible says... When we die, we're dead. And God can bring us back from the dead if He wants to.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I guess you learned that from your religion? I believe what the Bible says... When we die, we're dead. And God can bring us back from the dead if He wants to.

Let us consider a situation when God wants all souls to reach God, and if they do not reach God in this life, then God would want them to come back to earth to live another life and then try to reach God. So, the two views become the same. If, we postulate that God wants all souls to continue taking birth until they reach God Himself.

 

[YoursTrue]

Let us consider a situation when God wants all souls to reach God, and if they do not reach God in this life, then God would want them to come back to earth to live another life and then try to reach God. So, the two views become the same. If, we postulate that God wants all souls to continue taking birth until they reach God Himself.

I do not think that situation exists, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala . one reason is that I believe what the Bible says in that He created the first man and woman to be in his image.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I do not think that situation exists, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala . one reason is that I believe what the Bible says in that He created the first man and woman to be in his image.

While he created the first man and woman in his image, there is nothing in the Bible to say that the further creations were not in his image. I sense that the first man and woman created in God's image transmitted that image to the subsequent generations. So, it is entirely possible that the souls of the future generations found a body that was formed in God's image.

 

[YoursTrue]

While he created the first man and woman in his image, there is nothing in the Bible to say that the further creations were not in his image. I sense that the first man and woman created in God's image transmitted that image to the subsequent generations. So, it is entirely possible that the souls of the future generations found a body that was formed in God's image.

As someone said to me years ago, I don't think so. Have a good one, take care.

 

[gnostic]

I am in 2 minds concerning the existence or origin of Christ (a.k.a Jesus - Yeshua - Emmanuel)

I don't know if you are aware of it or not.

But the name Jesus or Yeshua, is merely a Hellenistic corruption of the original name Joshua, or in Hebrew Yehoshúa', יְהוֹשֻׁעַ.

Second. No where in the gospels or letters, did anyone directly called Jesus, "Emmanuel" or "Immanuel". Except for the one time, that the gospel Matthew 1:23, quoted from Isaiah 7:14, no one use this name for Jesus.

I think the sign - the original sign, as in Isaiah 7:14-17, if you read the WHOLE SIGN -

Isaiah 7:14-17

14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son and shall name him Immanuel. 15 He shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on your ancestral house such days as have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah - the king of Assyria."​

...have absolutely nothing to do with Mary and Jesus, nothing to do with miraculous virgin birth, and nothing to do with the messiah.

The sign says more in verses 15, 16 & 17, relating to the Assyrian intervention of the war between Ahaz and Pekah & Rezin - the two kings in 7:16 (read Isaiah 7:1).

I think you should also read 2 Kings 15:29 & 2 Kings 16:5-9.

The sign was actually when the child Immanuel was old enough to eat curds & honey, and to distinguish good from evil, that would be when Assyrian army will attack Aram & Israel.

So unless, the messiah is Tiglath-pileser III, nothing in Isaiah 7 have anything to do with any messiah.

 

[thebenbenstone]

I am not affiliated with any established faith, Church, organized or disorganized religion. I am documenting events in my past that may help researchers, academics & philosophers understand that there are people that have a completely different relationship & view on the topic of God creator. I understand that most stories found in the holy, sacred books identify with historic personalities that have lived interesting or extraordinary lives. These documented testaments can be viewed as educational or inspirational. I am under no illusion that my stories will bring me fame or fortune, ‘I fly way, way under the radar’. However, when I’m dead and gone perhaps some of my writings may survive to reach or teach others, maybe even be used as a marker in history that will help verify points of interest that may be found in historic holy books or text ‘found in revelations’. Again, these chronicled events may bear similarities & resemblance to future stories that will be repeated by another person.

To date, not even my immediate family or work peers know what I write about, therefore this forum is basically the only place who has updated correspondence that is being replicated to form a brief documented history of events that ‘may actually be or seem important’, only the future can tell.

The following event is from approximately 10 plus years ago, from my memory ‘a memorable portion’ of an occasion where I planned & consumed some ‘Lucy in the Sky of Diamonds’ those tiny exceptional ‘bus tickets that open up mind portals’ that should only be accessed occasionally & travelled once or twice a year.

“After the first 15 minutes of watching the 4-bedroom interior walls develop into a ‘Mandelbrot’ style liquid visual experience that can only be described as patterns of moving flora that reminded me of a floral garden ‘the notional feminine side of life known as possibly mother earth’, Once the visuals settled, there appeared elevated above me in the distance, horseshoe rows of fixed layered small plain white lights which reminded me of Christmas tree fairy lights. The setting could have been simply props designed to emanate an organized heavenly governing body – like a universal united nations” … now today, the present over a decade later, in hindsight these lights may have been simple visual props that were used to give an impression of a earthbound governing body similar to a countries stagnant dysfunctional political parliament, or a collective of earthbound lower dimensional beings or entities who like to call themselves the third portion or trifecta known in religious circles as the holy or unholy spirit. This particular enhanced experience produced ‘key players on the chessboard’ from the ‘other side’ or our earths parallel dimensional reality. These new players were of human form. There wasn’t anything special or extraterrestrial about these forms, they weren't angelic or demonic in nature, they remain simply human. Two key players let me know their names, one was male ‘Peter’ the other female ‘Sabrina’. These 2 new dimensional players were a portion of a small group. Eventually they left in a easterly direction, cross the road towards the beach, in the direction where the sun rises. This particular event- initial meeting lasted approximately 2 hours”

The following day in the real world a woman was arrested on a ‘Korean air lines flight’ known as the ‘nut rage case’. This woman was the daughter of the airline’s chairman. This woman tried to shame & insult crew member by yelling abuse, throwing objects at the cabin wall and forcing airline crew members of this specific flight to kneel before her’ simply because one flight attendant served up a bag of macadamia nuts in its original bag & not a plate or dish (it must have been first class).

This news report had something to do with the previous night’s dimensional meeting. Somewhere along the line a female was ‘tagged’ a very spoilt person. And her perspective or view that possibly her heavenly father ‘was or is in charge’ has changed dramatically. A new unseen player emerges and a new tactic can now be used. This new player now places the ‘vault across the heavens’ the ‘real holy spirit arrives’ and now bridges the gap between both parties…. the spirit world versus a mortal man.

The answer to your question ‘Yourstrue’ – in regards to post 200 ‘Have you considered your being misled’ Is simply ‘Te Haenga Paretipua’ who passed away in 1931 I have never met, he passed away before I was born. I am simply one of his great grandsons. His burial place is at ‘Ruataniwha Marae Wairoa’ the location of the ‘two water serpents’. I haven’t been offered or promised anything like an altar, fame, life credit, eternal life or a place in notional heaven. There's no carat or incentive being waved in front of my face, no red carpet…nothing at all. I have learned to juggle & absorb bits of information.

The answer to your question in post 191 ‘do you imagine these dead souls are still evolving?’ my answer is very likely yes, they are evolving. If it’s a case of lower or parallel - dimensional beings or entities being introduced to authentic key players on a chess board who may be simply unassuming messengers. Perhaps I exist as a puppet who can at the ‘right-write’ time provide new evidence that there is a more organized heavenly governing body, who periodically deliver very decisive powerful signs & portents. These administrative heavenly bodies have lots of patience’s. The other dimensional beings who exist in the shadows are either forced to conceive ‘they exist as a ‘nut’ within a ‘time piece’ which is slowly being moved forward. These types of phycological upgrades have manifested & exist and reminds me of ‘Jacobs Ladder, the biblical priests of Baal, and the reference in the New Testament to the Passover & water bearer’. Adapt & evolve are words that spring to mind.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am not affiliated with any established faith, Church, organized or disorganized religion. I am documenting events in my past that may help researchers, academics & philosophers understand that there are people that have a completely different relationship & view on the topic of God creator. I understand that most stories found in the holy, sacred books identify with historic personalities that have lived interesting or extraordinary lives. These documented testaments can be viewed as educational or inspirational. I am under no illusion that my stories will bring me fame or fortune, ‘I fly way, way under the radar’. However, when I’m dead and gone perhaps some of my writings may survive to reach or teach others, maybe even be used as a marker in history that will help verify points of interest that may be found in historic holy books or text ‘found in revelations’. Again, these chronicled events may bear similarities & resemblance to future stories that will be repeated by another person.

To date, not even my immediate family or work peers know what I write about, therefore this forum is basically the only place who has updated correspondence that is being replicated to form a brief documented history of events that ‘may actually be or seem important’, only the future can tell.

The following event is from approximately 10 plus years ago, from my memory ‘a memorable portion’ of an occasion where I planned & consumed some ‘Lucy in the Sky of Diamonds’ those tiny exceptional ‘bus tickets that open up mind portals’ that should only be accessed occasionally & travelled once or twice a year.

“After the first 15 minutes of watching the 4-bedroom interior walls develop into a ‘Mandelbrot’ style liquid visual experience that can only be described as patterns of moving flora that reminded me of a floral garden ‘the notional feminine side of life known as possibly mother earth’, Once the visuals settled, there appeared elevated above me in the distance, horseshoe rows of fixed layered small plain white lights which reminded me of Christmas tree fairy lights. The setting could have been simply props designed to emanate an organized heavenly governing body – like a universal united nations” … now today, the present over a decade later, in hindsight these lights may have been simple visual props that were used to give an impression of a earthbound governing body similar to a countries stagnant dysfunctional political parliament, or a collective of earthbound lower dimensional beings or entities who like to call themselves the third portion or trifecta known in religious circles as the holy or unholy spirit. This particular enhanced experience produced ‘key players on the chessboard’ from the ‘other side’ or our earths parallel dimensional reality. These new players were of human form. There wasn’t anything special or extraterrestrial about these forms, they weren't angelic or demonic in nature, they remain simply human. Two key players let me know their names, one was male ‘Peter’ the other female ‘Sabrina’. These 2 new dimensional players were a portion of a small group. Eventually they left in a easterly direction, the direction where the sun rises. This particular event- meeting lasted approximately 2 hours”

The following day in the real world a woman was arrested on a ‘Korean air lines flight’ known as the ‘nut rage case’. This woman was the daughter of the airline’s chairman. This woman tried to shame & insult crew member by yelling abuse, throwing objects at the cabin wall and forcing airline crew members of this specific flight to kneel before her’ simply because one flight attendant served up a bag of macadamia nuts in its original bag & not a plate or dish (it must have been first class).

This news report had something to do with the previous night’s dimensional meeting. Somewhere along the line a female was ‘tagged’ a very spoilt person. And her perspective or view that possibly her heavenly father ‘was or is in charge’ has changed dramatically. A new unseen player emerges and a new tactic can now be used. This new player now places the ‘vault across the heavens’ the ‘real holy spirit arrives’ and now bridges the gap between both parties…. the spirit world versus a mortal man.

The answer to your question ‘Yourstrue’ – in regards to post 200 ‘Have you considered your being misled’ Is simply ‘Te Haenga Paretipua’ who passed away in 1931 I have never met, he passed away before I was born. I am simply one of his great grandsons. His burial place is at ‘Ruataniwha Marae Wairoa’ the location of the ‘two water serpents’. I haven’t been offered or promised anything like an altar, fame, life credit, eternal life or a place in notional heaven. There's no carat or incentive being waved in front of my face, no red carpet…nothing at all. I have learned to juggle & absorb bits of information.

The answer to your question in post 191 ‘do you imagine these dead souls are still evolving?’ my answer is very likely yes, they are evolving. If it’s a case of lower or parallel - dimensional beings or entities being introduced to authentic key players on a chess board who may be simply unassuming messengers. Perhaps I exist as a puppet who can at the ‘right-write’ time provide new evidence that there is a more organized heavenly governing body, who periodically deliver very decisive powerful signs & portents. These administrative heavenly bodies have lots of patience’s. The other dimensional beings who exist in the shadows are either forced to conceive ‘they exist as a ‘nut’ within a ‘time piece’ which is slowly being moved forward. This phycological upgrade exist and reminds me of ‘Jacobs Ladder, the biblical priests of Baal, and the reference in the New Testament to the Passover & water bearer’. Adapt & evolve are words that spring to mind.

Oh boy time is short.

 

[Dimi95]

I don't know if you are aware of it or not.

But the name Jesus or Yeshua, is merely a Hellenistic corruption of the original name Joshua, or in Hebrew Yehoshúa', יְהוֹשֻׁעַ.

I think that this is a misconception.

Greek alphabet emerged from Phoenician alphabet.

The Phoenician alphabet is an consonantal alphabet used across the Mediterranean civilization of Phoenicia for most of the 1st millennium BC. It was the first alphabet ever developed, and attested in Canaanite and Aramaic inscriptions found across the Mediterranean region.

The Phoenician alphabet just evolved in between certain groups of people.
Phoenician is simple because it is basically read what you see,one sound - one letter.
Cyrillic also came out of that Alphabet.
Koine does not mean only Greek , there are other people beside Greeks and the language of these people was also called "Koine" at some time.
Like old Slavonic.
Slavonic has similar alphabet(which is glagolic)and within this alphabet we can see the same focus on one sound - one letter.

We have simular words with Hebrew , i know by the sound , names are simular , terms also.
Like for example "Jovan" or "Johan" have simular roots like Aramaic "Yochanan" which is John.
Other example is Hebrew"Ya'akov" and Cyrillic "Jakov" which is James.

I don't understand why you say that it is 'corrupted' in some sense?
Some words do not have the same roots.
Hebrew word for Anointed is Mashach
In these areas where Christianity first spread the word for Anointed was 'Христос'.
They did not invent it.
Iusus is literraly read as "Исус"

In latin it is another story.
The common language at that region was influenced by Latin at some point in History , maybe you didn't know..
I can prove this within 6 group of languages.

Second. No where in the gospels or letters, did anyone directly called Jesus, "Emmanuel" or "Immanuel". Except for the one time, that the gospel Matthew 1:23, quoted from Isaiah 7:14, no one use this name for Jesus.

It seems that you have misunderstood the message of the author of the Gospel of Matthew.

Matthew tells that 'all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet' (Matt. 1:22). This sign, given to Ahaz, was fulfilled in the child 'Immanuel', who was born to a young woman during Ahaz’s reign. But Matthew tells us there's a further fulfillment of this sign in the virgin birth of Jesus.

Immanuel literally means 'God with us'
Yeshua literally means 'to deliver'

I think the sign - the original sign, as in Isaiah 7:14-17, if you read the WHOLE SIGN -

...have absolutely nothing to do with Mary and Jesus, nothing to do with miraculous virgin birth, and nothing to do with the messiah.

Well Yeshua is the shortened form of Yehoshua which means 'Yahweh is salvation'

Something etymological relates to the way a word originated. You can look up a word's roots and the history of how it came to get its meaning in an etymological dictionary. Etymology is the history of words, including the way they've changed through the years.

The sign says more in verses 15, 16 & 17, relating to the Assyrian intervention of the war between Ahaz and Pekah & Rezin - the two kings in 7:16 (read Isaiah 7:1).

I think you should also read 2 Kings 15:29 & 2 Kings 16:5-9.

The sign was actually when the child Immanuel was old enough to eat curds & honey, and to distinguish good from evil, that would be when Assyrian army will attack Aram & Israel.

This is from Hebrew sources :
Isaiah 7:14-16:

"Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Curd and honey shall he eat, when he knoweth to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Yea, before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land whose two kings thou hast a horror of shall be forsaken."
I know that about King Herod and The Roman Emperor.
But i don't think that they had any horror from Their king Herod.
He contributed to his crucifixition.
They have acceptes Roman authority and their emperor , so who is the secone one?

So unless, the messiah is Tiglath-pileser III, nothing in Isaiah 7 have anything to do with any messiah.

I don't see anywhere that this has to be interpretated in one way.
If you do , please let me know.

 

[gnostic]

It seems that you have misunderstood the message of the author of the Gospel of Matthew.

Matthew tells that 'all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet' (Matt. 1:22). This sign, given to Ahaz, was fulfilled in the child 'Immanuel', who was born to a young woman during Ahaz’s reign. But Matthew tells us there's a further fulfillment of this sign in the virgin birth of Jesus.

Immanuel literally means 'God with us'
Yeshua literally means 'to deliver'

that’s just you buying into the gospel propaganda.

Much of the quotes from the gospel of Matthew, have nothing to do with the Hebrew-Jewish messiah.

Isaiah’s signs in Isaiah 7 & 8, have nothing to do with any messiah. Both signs in two chapters, all related to Assyrian intervention in Ahaz’s war with Pekah & Rezin - “the two kings”. That’s all.

In Isaiah 8:3-4, the sign has similar rings to Isaiah 7:15-17, but this time the child is Maher-shalal-hash-baz:

Isaiah 8:3-4
3 And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz, 4 for before the child knows how to call ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away by the king of Assyria.”

Not only both are about the war and Assyria, but Immanuel is mentioned, in Isaiah 8:8 & 8:10:

Isaiah 8:5-10

5 The Lord spoke to me again: 6 “Because this people has refused the waters of Shiloah that flow gently and melt in fear before[c] Rezin and the son of Remaliah,7 therefore the Lord is bringing up against it the mighty flood waters of the River, the king of Assyria and all his glory; it will rise above all its channels and overflow all its banks; 8 it will sweep on into Judah as a flood and, pouring over, will reach up to the neck, and its outspread wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Immanuel.

9 Take notice,[d] you peoples, and be dismayed;
listen, all you far countries;
gird yourselves and be dismayed![e]
10 Take counsel together, but it shall be brought to naught;
speak a word, but it will not stand,
for God is with us.”

For Immanuel name & for “God is with us”, to appear twice in 2 chapters, is more than a coincidence, and is quite possible that Maher-shalal-hash-baz and Immanuel are one and the same person. That would means, Immanuel is Isaiah’s own son.

Lastly, it say that all of Isaiah’s sons were signs:

Isaiah 8:18

18 See, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

most Christians seemed to have have ignored Immanuel in Isaiah 8 too.

nowhere was Jesus ever called by Immanuel.


Jesus & Joshua - or their Hebrew counterparts, Yeshua and Yehoshúa, have the same meaning.

And btw, I do not need your lessons on the origin of alphabet.

The gospel version of the sign, is just propaganda, regardless of the meaning of the name Immanuel.

 

[Dimi95]

that’s just you buying into the gospel propaganda.

Hi gnostic

I will answer only this and i hope for understanding.

One of the things that we are adviced to do is not to do what you described.
First to hear people out and then maybe say something if you have something to add to it.And to not judge , but to learn from each other and take what is true , good , and helpfull.
We are not adviced to do about certain things , but generally.

Sometimes i ask myself if i should even reply someone because of the chance of being answered with "tribal agenda" "bias" or "propaganda" are very high and i understand why it is like that.
There are people who sometimes abuse some information.
Me writing this does not mean that is for you , since i have not noticed that in your answers.

If you ever want to discuss about the narrative in the Gospels in the matter of History , we can do it in the other part of the forum.

I am also writing this because i realized that i did not ask you how you got to that interpretation in the first place and maybe somehow contributed to the first part of your answer.

I would just note that i am young and i do not have much of patience and that's my charachter for now , i want to do it fast , and i make sloapy mistakes like this for example where i should have answered differently.
And i see myself that i am not constistent as i should be in the rules.

I am not religious , but i think i've done good in other parts.
Well , most of it except Biology , i refused to go to that class and walk my way out on everything else.
Somehow in my life i found myself here and - op! , it ended with me realizing that i did a mistake.

And it put me down from where i taught i was.

I think i have done good for 8 months of constantly reading and learning, but i may lack knowledge there.

So it would be a challange for me if i could do it with you or Subduction Zone; about the Gospels in the way of History , but if there is no interest , it is still ok i don't mind.

I just want to contribute to better discussions , nothing more.

 

[gnostic]

I will answer only this and i hope for understanding.

One of the things that we are adviced to do is not to do what you described.
First to hear people out and then maybe say something if you have something to add to it.And to not judge , but to learn from each other and take what is true , good , and helpfull.
We are not adviced to do about certain things , but generally.

Sometimes i ask myself if i should even reply someone because of the chance of being answered with "tribal agenda" "bias" or "propaganda" are very high and i understand why it is like that.
There are people who sometimes abuse some information.
Me writing this does not mean that is for you , since i have not noticed that in your answers.

If you ever want to discuss about the narrative in the Gospels in the matter of History , we can do it in the other part of the forum.

I am also writing this because i realized that i did not ask you how you got to that interpretation in the first place and maybe somehow contributed to the first part of your answer.

Dimi95, if I sounded harsh, it is because of own experiences in life, from being theist to being agnostic.

When I was younger (1981 to 1999, age 15 to 33), I was more idealistic, and I was actually believer, and theist, I was a Christian in name only, but didn’t join any church. It was my older sister, who just gotten baptised recently, who gave me 2 different translations of the Bible, King James (KJV ) and the Good News Bible (GNB). As I was 15 at the time, GNB was read first, as it was more easier to read & understand than KJV, but I did read both. So I read these 2, from cover to cover.

And I had actually enjoyed the bible, so much over the next 3 years, I must have my favorite parts, at least half-a-dozen times, Genesis, Exodus, Joshua, 1 Samuel, all 4 gospels.

I did want to join the church, and research some of the local churches, but each times I weren't satisfied. Then I started college, and that took priority so that read less, and attended less masses. Aside from civil engineering & Bible, my other interests were in classical history and classical mythology, and I was reading Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon, Homer, Hesiod, Aeschylus, Sophocles & Euripides. I had also started reading the Norse Volsunga Saga, Prose Edda & Poetic Edda, and the Germanic Nibelungenlied.

i could say, it was due to busy hectic day-to-day college studies in civil engineering, and later juggling works (mostly as draftsman and surveyor), that I stopped reading the Bible for the next 14 years. But I also had a quarrel with the local Methodist minister in 1985, whose church I was considering in joining, but that’s a more complex story.

i did still believe, I just didn’t have much times, from 1986 to 1999, but it was 14-year hiatus, where I didn’t touch the Bible.

From 1995, I decided a career change, as I became more fascinated with computer, and started another study, this time in Computer Science. Then in my last year (1999), one of the subjects was web design. Other than assignments, I wanted to create a personal website.

That year (again in 1999), I began website, called Timeless Myths (www.timelessmyths.com). I sold it in 2020, as money was very tight, and could no longer keep it running, due to the COVID restrictions, but that’s a different story. Timeless Myths is still active, but I no longer have rights to it.

I was so geared up with my new website, that I did a lot of reading and researches, when I have free time, that I kept building, starting with Classical Mythology, to Norse and then Celtic. Then in the following year (2000), I began a section on the Arthurian Legends. In the middle of 2000, I began several webpages on the grail legends of Perceval & Galahad. Due to the legend that the grail was supposedly the dish that Joseph of Arimathea caught Jesus’ blood, I picked up the Bible for the first time in 14 years.

What my years of experiences in studying Computer Science have taught me, is too be thorough with my sources, meaning “reviewing”, “cross-referencing”, by double-checking, triple-checking, in whatever I am going to research…and that what I was doing with Timeless Myths.

But as I read the crucifixion episode in Matthew, I was drawn back to rereading the birth episode in Matthew 1 & 2.

As I said, I was much younger when I had 1st read the Bible, more idealistic, but also less experienced in research, so what I read I took at face-value, believing what I have read without thorough research. I did not cross-reference Matthew 1:23 with Isaiah 7 & 8, or with any other New Testament reinterpretations of the so-called messianic signs.

But i was 34 then in 2000. I was older, more experienced with researches, and I came to realizaction when I reread Matthew 1:23 that there was something wrong. I reread Isaiah’s original sign, and it just blew my mind away. How did I not see that, back in the early 1980s?

Rereading other signs that Matthew (gospel) used, and compared them against the original passages, they all sounded like propaganda to me.

From that point on, I became agnostic, although I never heard of agnostic and Agnosticism until 2003, when I joined my first internet forum…not here; i didn’t become a member of Religious Education forum until 2006.

That was my experiences, back then. It was my own experiences with the Bible. I have become less idealistic, more of humanist, realist, skeptic and cynic. I do see the Bible quite differently. My interpretations of Matthew-Isaiah are really my own.

I am sorry, if I had bored you, but i thought you should know my background and how I became what I am, today.

 

[gnostic]

Btw, @Dimi95

Even though, I am more skeptic, these days, I haven’t lost interests in religions and mythology. I just read them more critically. I also have even better grasp on history and historical backgrounds, then when I was younger.

if I was just to read literature, for just pure escapism and entertainment, then I still love great storytelling…so no judging, other than whether I like a story or not.

But if I was to read more deeply & critically, then I just no longer believe everything that I read.

Genesis is still my favourite book, but I no longer accept it as history.

My problem isn’t with Genesis itself, but with other people’s interpretations to stories like the Creation, Flood & Babel…especially among creationists.

 

[gnostic]

Well , most of it except Biology , i refused to go to that class and walk my way out on everything else.
Somehow in my life i found myself here and - op! , it ended with me realizing that i did a mistake.

Oh.

As I am qualified in both civil engineering & computer science, so the science is applied science, which required mostly physics, like newtonian mechanics, hydrodynamics, some geology and soil science, for civil, while electrical & electronics, electromagnetism, optics, etc for compute science. The only little biology I did learn in civil, are the woods used for design & construction, and that some soil will have organic matters.

My education in biology stopped in Year 9 high school. Biology was never my forte when I was in high school, so I chose physics, chemistry and maths for the next 3 years. I didn’t learn anything about evolution in high school, never got around to it, as it were only taught until Year 11 & Year 12.

Biology is something I picked up mostly afterwards from 2003, onward. As I said in my earlier post, I didn’t know about the creationism vs evolution debate, until I joined my 1st forum . that was the main reason I borrowed my cousin’s biology textbook, to read a few chapters on evolution.

in the 20 years, I picked up a lot o sciences that I weren’t taught before, such as relativity, quantum physics, nuclear physics, astronomy & cosmology, etc. Just learning the basic, without delving too deeply into the more mathematical side of physics.

 

[Dimi95]

Dimi95, if I sounded harsh, it is because of own experiences in life, from being theist to being agnostic.

No worries , you did as everyone would and i understand.
I just think i missed few steps before i answered like that and contributed to you answering like you answered.

It was nice reading and to know all of this,really.

And It seems that we have the same 'issues' regarding some interpretations.

As for the Gospels / NT , i don't know how much you are familiar with the way they are being studied by real Historians and not by religious groups, and i can't really say much from your answers except that you read 2 translations of the Bible which i think it is not enough.
For me personally , if you ask me , if your read all translations , it would not matter still if you don't know what is their use.
If you like to know why,i can explain it and you can say what do you think.

What i can tell you is that I am student of History for 15 years(maybe 1 or 2 more) and I have studied the NT for 3 years.
How i got to study it is another story.
But shortly i did not 'buy' it / had any interest.

What i knew was that Jesus was the Son , that he beat death and all that.
I heard that every Saturday night before 'The Great Day'(In West it is called Easter) where all of us go to church to wait untill 00:00 and that is where the 'egg party' started
The 'egg party' means each individual picks an egg of their choice and an opponent.They hit each others eggs and whoever's egg cracks is the 'loser'.
Then the 'winner' of one duo plays with another 'winner' and so on until there's is a 'champion'.
And i always lose...
But next year i am planning to get one from wood and then we will see who is who

That is in short what i knew , maybe thing or two more outside of it and that's it.

Now , after 3 years it is much different.
It was easier for me however because i had what was needed in the first place to study the information.

 

[gnostic]

As for the Gospels / NT , i don't know how much you are familiar with the way they are being studied by real Historians and not by religious groups, and i can't really say much from your answers except that you read 2 translations of the Bible which i think it is not enough.
For me personally , if you ask me , if your read all translations , it would not matter still if you don't know what is their use.
If you like to know why,i can explain it and you can say what do you think.

The GNB & KJV were given to me by sister when I was a teenager.

Over the years, from post-year-2000 and onwards, I have collected another a number of English translations, that are also based on mainly the Hebrew sources, the Masoretic Text: such as New International Version (NIV, Kindle), New Revised Standard Version (NRSV, Kindle), New American Standard Bible (NASB, Kindle).

Plus, the 1985, only Hebrew Bible (again the Masoretic Text is the source for translation), the Tanakh known as the New Jewish Publication Society (NJPS). The NJPS translation were translated by team of some of the Jewish scholars of the 20th century. As NJPS were translated for English-speaking Jews living in the United States, this is my preferred translation of the Masoretic Text (if I am only reading the “Old Testament”), that I got copies in both paperback and Kindle forms.

There other translations by various Jewish organisations or publishers, but I don’t have copies of these books.

I also have translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, translated by Martin Abegg jr, Peter Flint & Eugene Ulrich, title the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible.

For the English translation of the Greek Septuagint Bible, I got the translations in pdf, from the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS).

I have been trying to look for translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch.

 

[Dimi95]

The GNB & KJV were given to me by sister when I was a teenager.

Over the years, from post-year-2000 and onwards, I have collected another a number of English translations, that are also based on mainly the Hebrew sources, the Masoretic Text: such as New International Version (NIV, Kindle), New Revised Standard Version (NRSV, Kindle), New American Standard Bible (NASB, Kindle).

Plus, the 1985, only Hebrew Bible (again the Masoretic Text is the source for translation), the Tanakh known as the New Jewish Publication Society (NJPS). The NJPS translation were translated by team of some of the Jewish scholars of the 20th century. As NJPS were translated for English-speaking Jews living in the United States, this is my preferred translation of the Masoretic Text (if I am only reading the “Old Testament”), that I got copies in both paperback and Kindle forms.

There other translations by various Jewish organisations or publishers, but I don’t have copies of these books.

I also have translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, translated by Martin Abegg jr, Peter Flint & Eugene Ulrich, title the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible.

For the English translation of the Greek Septuagint Bible, I got the translations in pdf, from the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS).

I have been trying to look for translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch.

Ok , i did not know this.
But as i said , they are all translations and they are of certain use, for sure , but that's it.
This goes back to the part where the Synoptic Gospels were defined as such.
Synotpic means 'look the same'
In litterate translation it means 'Good News that looked the same.'
They were called like that because of the many different manuscripts and many differences that were spotted.
Those that many call today a reason why they are 'corrupted'.
But these differences were because of how meaning of words change through History.
When they were studied , they realized that they had no impact on central doctrine and were used because these were the words used in the given timeline.
We can see the same thing within Hebrew language , but nobody calls that 'corrupted'.

That is what the footnotes in every translations is for , to explain these differences.

Theologically these differences changed nothing.The message still remained untouched.

 

[gnostic]

Ok , i did not know this.

That's ok.

Between 2000 & 2010, was the most active time for me, researching a number of different religions & different myths, including canonical & non-canonical scriptures (eg the Apocrypha, the Pseudepigrapha (eg Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, etc), and even Gnostic texts from Nag Hammadi codices).

I actually had a second website devoted to these texts that correspond to the timeline between Adam & Enoch), called Dark Mirrors of Heaven (which i created in 2006). The new owner of Timeless Myths incorporated Dark Mirrors of Heaven into Timeless Myths.

 

[Dimi95]

That's ok.

Between 2000 & 2010, was the most active time for me, researching a number of different religions & different myths, including canonical & non-canonical scriptures (eg the Apocrypha, the Pseudepigrapha (eg Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, etc), and even Gnostic texts from Nag Hammadi codices).

I actually had a second website devoted to these texts that correspond to the timeline between Adam & Enoch), called Dark Mirrors of Heaven (which i created in 2006). The new owner of Timeless Myths incorporated Dark Mirrors of Heaven into Timeless Myths.

I have seen your website previously.
I just like to look
There are really pretty cool staff on the website.

What do you think of Gnosticism in general?