Please note... I am not responding to your claims because I think that I might have any influence at all on your opinions, and I'm willing to bet that the rest of the users backing evolution feel the same way. Rather, this information is being debated for those who are on the fence about what to believe and really just need to be pushed in the right direction to find the true information regarding these kinds of topics....
and so we continue
I agree.
Many theists claim that they are not talking about the God of the Gaps... but the truth is that almost all Gods are the Gods of the Gaps. The only God which would not fall into this category would be a claim of a God who exists only in, and resides over some spiritual realm in which the god and the realm have absolutely no influence over our physical universe and any thing or event related to it (ie; not even involved in creations/origins).
At one time, we humans had no understanding as to how the human body works... one specific example would be child birth. And so it had been taught for Millennium, across multiple religions, that their god had a direct hand procreation. But now we know that god has nothing to do with it.
Well, as a theist I would disagree with the statement "God has nothing to do with it", because as I stated before, I refuse to believe that you can get this kind of
specified complexity without a mind behind it. You are telling me that a mindless, brainless process/procedure allowed a "man" to have testicles and a "woman" to have ovaries, and for each gender just "happen" to be compatible enough to produce offspring. I just don't buy it.
How about lightning, volcanoes, tidal waves... those were most certainly equated with an act of God, but now we know with certainty that no god has anything to do with any natural disaster or weather pattern.
First off, we don't "know" whether or not God caused any natural disaster or weather pattern. How do you know that God didn't cause an earthquake or tsunami? You don't know whether God was the "trigger man" behind anything. You have to presuppose the non-existence of God to even make those claims of knowledge.
But that isn't the point anyway, because maybe God DIDN'T cause any natural weather pattern. That isn't the point, the point is what is the ORIGIN OF SPACE, TIME, MATTER, AND ENERGY. And if it wasn't for God, there woudn't be a universe for a weather pattern to occur in the first place.
While I agree that we don't need god to explain these things... we still don't fully understand gravity, thermodynamics or cosmology to the level of certainty that we have with Evolution.
Actually theromodynamics is one of the most understood aspects of science, and that is based on observation and experiment, which is what evolution lacks.
... So again... WHY is evolution questioned and doubted so intensely, but not these other subjects...??
Because; none of these other sciences (except maybe cosmology) tries to explain the ORIGIN of things. Evolution does..it attempts to explain the origin of species. If that is what you (in general) want to believe, fine. But to call it "science" and make it seem as if it is a 100% fact that it occured is being flat out disingenious, and in most cases it is a flat out lie.
It's because it challenges your faith in a book that was written by people 2000 years ago who were trying to create a system of obedience by providing answers to questions that they didn't have the answers to.
This is not the case because there are some theists that believe in evolution, and to further that point.....even if evolution DID occur (which I don't for one SECOND think that it did), but lets say that it did occur for the sake of argument...I still would believe that God orchestrated the process because I just can't get myself to believe that we can get this kind of complexity by a unconscious, blind, and mindless process. Just can't do it.
To make this assertion, you must have all of the information regarding the origins of space, matter and time.
We have both observational and experimental evidence that the universe (space, matter, and time), began to exist.
And you must have definitive proof of the supernatural entity.
I do. I have the Ontological Argument, I have the Kalam Argument, I have the Moral Argument, and I have arguments based on the Resurrection of Jesus.
and then you have to have the evidence that provides the link that the supernatural entity was in fact responsible for the origins of space, matter and time. This is simply an unsubstantiated claim on all accounts.
I have arguments for all the things in question.
There is no such thing as "Macro" Evolution. It's all just evolution.
We only use those terms (macro/micro) to distinguish between the two. They are two different concepts...one being true, and the other false.
Wrong... there's a whole other topic of discussion for this one. But there is no evidence to suggest that the Jesus of the Bible ever existed at all.
There is plenty of historical evidence and to think otherwise is to go against the consensus amongsts historians and biblical scholars.
There is more evidence to suggest the he is, and always was a fictional character.
He was so fictional that people living within his alleged life-time were convinced that he was a real person. So either these people were clinically insane, or they were lying. Which is it?
No, the methodology in which the science has been applied at times was performed incorrectly, and that has produced false implications. But anytime the material being tested has had the correct dating technique applied to it, the dating results have proven to be accurate and consistent with all other dating experiments which are performed correctly.
Show me evidence of dogs producing non-dogs...whether past or presently.
Yeah, when you take away all the fluff and feathers that is basically what is being said
Wrong. We won't find millions of fossils just anywhere we look. You lack understanding of what conditions are necessary to take a bone and transition it over to a fossil over the period of millions of years. You cant just dig in your back yard and expect to dig far enough and just find a dinosaur fossil.
If my backyard is where the dinosaur died, then why shouldn't I be able to dig far enough to find a dinosaur fossil?
Example... Creationist: "God created the universe and all things in it" ... Scientist: "Who created God?"
I am a creationists, so if you ask me "Who created God", I will say "An uncaused cause cannot be caused".
... Creationist: "then you will just keep asking who created the creator that created the creator of the creator of the creator, so on and so on... that is an infinite regress and you can;t have that"
(this IS a common defensive argument by theists)
No because as mentioned above, there is no infinite regress.
Enough fossils have already been discovered to prove the validity of the SCIENTIFIC THEORY of Evolution.
These fossil findings are evidence that things that once lived have been since DEAD. To conclude anything beyond this is to add your presupposition to the finding. If you already believe in evolution, every thing that you dig out of the dirt will feed that presupposition.
