Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Do you say that the creation of the matter,energy, space and time is not a caused thing? logically isn't caused means eternal or never created,No? What made the big bang happen? If you say nothing or "impossible for an effect to take place" you are then faced by too many contradictions, like "it's then never happened". How do you disprove this "creation is an effect and cause it took place before big bang"?
Nobody knows what happened before a certain point. At this point, anything before that point is nothing but creative speculation - creators included.