The first verse of the Bible contains:

[Aštra’el]

"In a beginning, Gods created AN and KI..."

or maybe

"In a beginning, God(s) separated sky and earth..."

 

[EtuMalku]

Of course, but around here, and most other places, when someone capitalizes "bible," as Onoma does in his title, everyone takes it to mean the Christian Bible.


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That's sad . . . and needs to be changed

 

[EtuMalku]

A.} The formula for the volume of a 4 sided pyramid
B.} The " seven seals " of the Book of Revelation
C.} Proof that ancient societies knew Pi to a degree of accuracy far above what academia acknowledges
D.} The answer to the mystery of the numbers 666 and 144,000
E.} The answer to the identity of the " Man of Sin "
F. } Proof of the identity of Jesus Christ
G.} Proof the Bible is divine
H.} The key to the secret of the New Jerusalem
I. } The key to explaining the base 60 system of Mesopotamian metrology the Bible is based on
J .} None of the above
K.} All that and more

Now that I am clear as to which bible you are referencing:
J.} None of the above

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I m talking about the Hebrew word ELOHIM that means MANY GODS ...

Sometimes.

 

[First Baseman]

A.} The formula for the volume of a 4 sided pyramid
B.} The " seven seals " of the Book of Revelation
C.} Proof that ancient societies knew Pi to a degree of accuracy far above what academia acknowledges
D.} The answer to the mystery of the numbers 666 and 144,000
E.} The answer to the identity of the " Man of Sin "
F. } Proof of the identity of Jesus Christ
G.} Proof the Bible is divine
H.} The key to the secret of the New Jerusalem
I. } The key to explaining the base 60 system of Mesopotamian metrology the Bible is based on
J .} None of the above
K.} All that and more

It is a simple statement, there is no "hidden" message within it. It is obvious what it says, what it means and where it came from.

 

[Parsimony]

A.} The formula for the volume of a 4 sided pyramid
B.} The " seven seals " of the Book of Revelation
C.} Proof that ancient societies knew Pi to a degree of accuracy far above what academia acknowledges
D.} The answer to the mystery of the numbers 666 and 144,000
E.} The answer to the identity of the " Man of Sin "
F. } Proof of the identity of Jesus Christ
G.} Proof the Bible is divine
H.} The key to the secret of the New Jerusalem
I. } The key to explaining the base 60 system of Mesopotamian metrology the Bible is based on
J .} None of the above
K.} All that and more

So where is your evidence?

 

[Demonslayer]

So where is your evidence?

"LOL @ evidence!"

- religious people

 

[Demonslayer]

A.} The formula for the volume of a 4 sided pyramid
B.} The " seven seals " of the Book of Revelation
C.} Proof that ancient societies knew Pi to a degree of accuracy far above what academia acknowledges
D.} The answer to the mystery of the numbers 666 and 144,000
E.} The answer to the identity of the " Man of Sin "
F. } Proof of the identity of Jesus Christ
G.} Proof the Bible is divine
H.} The key to the secret of the New Jerusalem
I. } The key to explaining the base 60 system of Mesopotamian metrology the Bible is based on
J .} None of the above
K.} All that and more

Dan Brown wrote another novel?

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't think that this is actually a 'refutation', or argument against the /plurality interpretation. /the 'we', as in more than one being,,
The idea you are presenting, is often presented without other context that would help explain the plural nature of the verses, as well.

It's something I heard somewhere, that kind of made sense to me. I mean, Jewish people who speak Hebrew read this all the time, and remain monotheist. I do present this deliberately with an unsure mood, since I'm not remotely any kind of authority on this matter.

 

[First Baseman]

So where is your evidence?

The same place where atheist scientists hid the smoking gun for the big bang, macro-evolution and abiogenesis.

 

[Desert Snake]

It's something I heard somewhere, that kind of made sense to me. I mean, Jewish people who speak Hebrew read this all the time, and remain monotheist. I do present this deliberately with an unsure mood, since I'm not remotely any kind of authority on this matter.

I'm aware of the 'standard'/?/ interpretation of this in Judaism; however, i personally have no problem, with it meaning more than one being,,, and hence, I read it /interpret it/, that way.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm aware of the 'standard'/?/ interpretation of this in Judaism; however, i personally have no problem, with it meaning more than one being,,, and hence, I read it /interpret it/, that way.

Well... that's your choice, but I'm going to trust that the language's native speakers know what they're talking about with their own language.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well... that's your choice, but I'm going to trust that the language's native speakers know what they're talking about with their own language.

That's arbitrary to the possible implications of other beings being referred to thusly, here, or elsewhere, in Scripture. Those other instances would raise the same problem, and are often argued away as referring to actual people, so forth. Your decision to simply take that position is not important to me, it doesn't change my theology, or interpretation of the texts.

 

[Riverwolf]

That's arbitrary to the possible implications of other beings being referred to thusly, here, or elsewhere, in Scripture. Those other instances would raise the same problem, and are often argued away as referring to actual people, so forth. Your decision to simply take that position is not important to me, it wouldn't change my theology, or interpretation of the texts.

Dude, that's fine. You're free to believe whatever you want about these works. I merely will not share them, for the reason I have given.

 

[Riverwolf]

But you mentioned 'remain monotheist'. Plurality in this Deity title does not have to mean, more than on G-d. Hence, you cannot share my beliefs when don't even know my beliefs, anyway.

Then I kinda suspect we're talking right past each other.

I mean, I actually am a polytheist.

 

[First Baseman]

Then I kinda suspect we're talking right past each other.

That happens a lot around here.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm not talking about polytheism. Usually /in the more than one being interpretation , it means angels
It could even mean plurality in the one deity //of beings

Some people do ascribe a 'more than one deity', idea to the text. It isn't something I argue.

I don't argue it, either.

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't argue it, either.

Technically, you just were.

 

[Riverwolf]

Technically, you just were.

No, I wasn't.

I said that the word "Elohim" in this context is most likely using a plural form to signify authority. Again, like English monarchs would refer to themselves with "we." It's using a grammatical plural to indicate a singular subject's authority.

 

[viole]

A.} The formula for the volume of a 4 sided pyramid
B.} The " seven seals " of the Book of Revelation
C.} Proof that ancient societies knew Pi to a degree of accuracy far above what academia acknowledges
D.} The answer to the mystery of the numbers 666 and 144,000
E.} The answer to the identity of the " Man of Sin "
F. } Proof of the identity of Jesus Christ
G.} Proof the Bible is divine
H.} The key to the secret of the New Jerusalem
I. } The key to explaining the base 60 system of Mesopotamian metrology the Bible is based on
J .} None of the above
K.} All that and more

None of the above. And none of the below.

I suggest to invert J with K, in order to avoid obvious contradictions.

Ciao

- viole