The flaws in Intelligent design

[Dan From Smithville]

Are ypu able to HEAR? I believe the intelligence for the universe is God. I believe God gave a role to angels or extra terestrials to make mankind.

Believe whatever you want to.

What does my hearing have to do with this? We are writing on the internet.

But, ID is science because it DETECTS information/design in the PHYSICAL world. It does not detect WHO the intelligence is.

ID is not a science. It has made a lot of claims, but shown us nothing.

Is this so hard to understand? My writing is not complicated like that paper you gave me now.

No. I understand that you approach science like it was a belief system.

I am sorry that you could not understand a short research article written in English.

Yea, cop out. Why dont you start by answering some simple questions. Like, whats the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder? And how are they paired. Come on mr science man!

Like you have room to talk. You have yet to support one claim you have made.

Refer above.

In what sense. That it is all just you being emotional without anything substantive to say. Sure. I refer to that.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

And how do you know it was figurative? He said in the video i gave you that God DESIGNED the evolutionary system.

Also is your God real or figurative?



Oh i see, so he has two views about God? One that says God designed the evelutionary system and DNA is the language of God and then he has another view that says the oposite?

Do i got that right? Your calling the man schizophrenic?

I am going to put you on Ignore. I think it is about time for that. You do not seem to be able to approach this discussion objectively and are getting very emotional.

 

[Jollybear]

Your questions are relative only to attacking my belief. They have nothing to do with Francis Collins' statement or whether DNA is a language. You seem to turn this way when others do not just jump on your every word and agree with you without question.

Why don't you just let it go? You are not going to suddenly understand science or the difference between belief and what can be supported objectively and I understand that.

Why dont you just answer questions? If you think questions are a attack on your beliefs, that shows how fragile your mind is.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Why dont you just answer questions? If you think questions are a attack on your beliefs, that shows how fragile your mind is.

Are you going to provide an argument for anything? Anything? Hello? Hello? Is there anyone there?

That would be nice for you to provide a rational argument instead of calling me names like weak-minded.

 

[Jollybear]

I am going to put you on Ignore. I think it is about time for that. You do not seem to be able to approach this discussion objectively and are getting very emotional.

Well put me on ignor then. Do whatever you want.

But your perceptions of me not being objective and being emotional is all fantasy in your head and thats a FACT!

 

[Jollybear]

Are you going to provide an argument for anything? Anything? Hello? Hello? Is there anyone there?

That would be nice for you to provide a rational argument instead of calling me names like weak-minded.

Hey, i cant help it if you feel threatened by mere questions.

Also i eat 5 potatoes and half a pound of beef. All them nutrients have gone to my brain and are given me some brain power debate in our dialogue here. Thats why im doin such a good job man! Lol.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Hey, i cant help it if you feel threatened by mere questions.

I do not feel threatened by you or your questions, but it is clear that you only have attacks on me your argument. It is pretty childish, but what I would expect from you and creationists in general. You have nothing so you have to resort to garbage like you have been presenting.

 

[Jollybear]

I do not feel threatened by you or your questions, but it is clear that you only have attacks on me your argument. It is pretty childish, but what I would expect from you and creationists in general. You have nothing so you have to resort to garbage like you have been presenting.

So questions are childish, questions are an attack, questions are persecutions.

Got it, i think.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well put me on ignor then. Do whatever you want.

But your perceptions of me not being objective and being emotional is all fantasy in your head and thats a FACT!

Actually, they are a reasonable assessment. Considering that you have gone after me instead of providing support for your claims, it is clear that you have gotten very emotional about our discussion and lost track of the fact that you are claiming DNA is a language. Yet, have done nothing to support that claim except point out that a science called it a language in a popular article, but did not himself explain what that meant.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, SZ. I am not attempting to redefine anything, except perhaps to drag you back to the dictionary definition of the words...you know, the way everybody but you defines them? In this matter it is you who are redefining things in ways that simply do not match.

it is not I who am committing the fallacy of composition, insisting that if evidence isn't objective, it isn't evidence.

It is not I who am redefining the word 'reliable.' That's you. In fact, I am being very careful to use specific, dictionary definitions for the words I use. There is no ambiguity or equivocation in my wording. That's all you. Sorry...

But they do not support you and you have to ignore important qualifiers to even begin to claim that they do. You cannot rely on the definition of only one word in a phrase.

By the way. Nice strawman at the end of your post.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So questions are childish, questions are an attack, questions are persecutions.

Got it, i think.

Look at you twist what I said. No where did I say questions were childish, an attack or persecution.

Do you not read your own posts. If I were doing this to you, would you consider it my support for my claim or that I was attacking you? It does not support any claim I have made about DNA. I have not questioned or challenged your claim that you are a Christian. Quite the opposite. I have repeatedly said I accept that claim. I have not made one effort to dissect your personal belief and hound you with endless claims about your personal belief.

But look at you go.

 

[Jollybear]

Actually, they are a reasonable assessment. Considering that you have gone after me instead of providing support for your claims, it is clear that you have gotten very emotional about our discussion and lost track of the fact that you are claiming DNA is a language. Yet, have done nothing to support that claim except point out that a science called it a language in a popular article, but did not himself explain what that meant.

Franciss callins wrote a whole book of DNA, called the language of God.

In the video i gave you, he said the evolutionary process God designed.

Lets go back to my question.

What is the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am 'bridling?" Well, if there was any further evidence required to prove that you don't actually read my posts, this post of yours would be it.

Big time. And I simply dismiss weak excuses. This post of your is evidence for my claim.

 

[Jollybear]

Look at you twist what I said. No where did I say questions were childish, an attack or persecution.

Do you not read your own posts. If I were doing this to you, would you consider it my support for my claim or that I was attacking you? It does not support any claim I have made about DNA. I have not questioned or challenged your claim that you are a Christian. Quite the opposite. I have repeatedly said I accept that claim. I have not made one effort to dissect your personal belief and hound you with endless claims about your personal belief.

But look at you go.

Did ya read my edit too.

Here it is>

Also i eat 5 potatoes and half a pound of beef. All them nutrients have gone to my brain and are given me some brain power debate in our dialogue here. Thats why im doin such a good job man! Lol.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Did ya read my edit too.

Here it is>

Also i eat 5 potatoes and half a pound of beef. All them nutrients have gone to my brain and are given me some brain power debate in our dialogue here. Thats why im doin such a good job man! Lol.

I am sorry. I did not realize you were doing a good job here. I saw no evidence for it. Truthfully, I still do not see any evidence that you are doing a good job in the discussion. There is no support for your claim that DNA is a language. No. Not there. Looks like you said a lot of stuff about me. But that is really evidence that I doing good in the discussion. When your opponent goes off the rails like that, it usually means they have nothing and are losing it.

Provide your evidence and your argument that DNA is a language. Or twist my words there and claim I am using bad language against DNA or whatever silly thing you can come up with.

 

[Jollybear]

Look at you twist what I said. No where did I say questions were childish, an attack or persecution.

Ok, so, if the questions are not an attack, or childish, then just what part is?

Do you not read your own posts. If I were doing this to you, would you consider it my support for my claim or that I was attacking you? It does not support any claim I have made about DNA. I have not questioned or challenged your claim that you are a Christian. Quite the opposite. I have repeatedly said I accept that claim. I have not made one effort to dissect your personal belief and hound you with endless claims about your personal belief.

But look at you go.

You can ask questions about my personal beliefs all you want. Ill answer.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Franciss callins wrote a whole book of DNA, called the language of God.

In the video i gave you, he said the evolutionary process God designed.

Lets go back to my question.

What is the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder?

It was a figurative title, like Leon Lederman's book the "God Particle".

Why don't you go back to supporting one of your arguments instead. You have yet to do that and gee, I think it would be just swell if you did.

 

[Jollybear]

It was a figurative title, like Leon Lederman's book the "God Particle".

Why don't you go back to supporting one of your arguments instead. You have yet to do that and gee, I think it would be just swell if you did.

And how do you know that is figurative too?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Ok, so, if the questions are not an attack, or childish, then just what part is?



You can ask questions about my personal beliefs all you want. Ill answer.

Your questions, comments and statements about me are an attack.

I do not need to know about your personal beliefs. The entire thread is about the intelligent design movement and the flaws in their claims along with the fact that it is not science.

I have had about enough silliness and personal attack for one evening. Have a good day.

 

[Jollybear]

I am sorry. I did not realize you were doing a good job here. I saw no evidence for it. Truthfully, I still do not see any evidence that you are doing a good job in the discussion. There is no support for your claim that DNA is a language. No. Not there. Looks like you said a lot of stuff about me. But that is really evidence that I doing good in the discussion. When your opponent goes off the rails like that, it usually means they have nothing and are losing it.

Provide your evidence and your argument that DNA is a language. Or twist my words there and claim I am using bad language against DNA or whatever silly thing you can come up with.

I think you need to eat 5 potatoes and half pound of beef because you need some debate power help.