The flaws in Intelligent design

[Dan From Smithville]

And how do you know that is figurative too?

So you are claiming it is not figurative. Please provide your evidence and arguments. If I feel like it I will look at them later.

Since you are not going to do that, I guess we are done here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was a figurative title, like Leon Lederman's book the "God Particle".

Why don't you go back to supporting one of your arguments instead. You have yet to do that and gee, I think it would be just swell if you did.

I did a quick search of Biologos, the website that Collins began and could only find this forum entry that explains why DNA is not a language:

DNA is not like human language or code

 

[Jollybear]

Your questions, comments and statements about me are an attack.

But prior you said the questions wer not an attack. Now your saying they are? Why the inconsistency?

I do not need to know about your personal beliefs. The entire thread is about the intelligent design movement and the flaws in their claims along with the fact that it is not science.

I have had about enough silliness and personal attack for one evening. Have a good day.

Yes, the thread is about ID. So, back to ID.

Question: whats the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA LADDER? come on, you can do this!

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think you need to eat 5 potatoes and half pound of beef because you need some debate power help.

I think I blasted you out of the debate waters. I know I did. Otherwise, you would have stuck to the subject rather than making comments like this.

You did not even know about eggs until the other day. I knew that since I was five.

You have jolly day.

 

[We Never Know]

I do not feel threatened by you or your questions, but it is clear that you only have attacks on me your argument. It is pretty childish, but what I would expect from you and creationists in general. You have nothing so you have to resort to garbage like you have been presenting.

How are you different than the others you accuse of being a creationists? From what I've read you believe in the same creator God from the bible or do you have your own version? Did the God of the Bible you believe in create anything, something, everything, nothing?
Seriously how can you accuse and attack anyone about being a creationists when you both believe in the same God. Maybe you're a closest creationist who's afraid of being attacked for your beliefs so you pretend you're different and help others attack your fellow creationists. Maybe you should check your belief and examine the God you believe in and why.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I did a quick search of Biologos, the website that Collins began and could only find this forum entry that explains why DNA is not a language:

DNA is not like human language or code

The claim that DNA is a language is made in support of intelligent design. However, based on an examination of DNA compared to natural languages, there does not appear to be any linguistic connect between the two. The dictionary of DNA does not follow Zipf's law, while that of all natural languages does. There is no literal meaning in genes, like there would be in books, newspapers or the writing on this forum.

 

[Jollybear]

I think I blasted you out of the debate waters. I know I did. Otherwise, you would have stuck to the subject rather than making comments like this.

You did not even know about eggs until the other day. I knew that since I was five.

You have jolly day.

So asking a question about the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA, thats not called sticking to the subject?

What do you call that then?

 

[Jollybear]

The claim that DNA is a language is made in support of intelligent design. However, based on an examination of DNA compared to natural languages, there does not appear to be any linguistic connect between the two. The dictionary of DNA does not follow Zipf's law, while that of all natural languages does. There is no literal meaning in genes, like there would be in books, newspapers or the writing on this forum.

Ok, so, WHAT is the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder then? Eh huh?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How are you different than the others you accuse of being a creationists? From what I've read you believe in the same creator God from the bible or do you have your own version? Did the God of the Bible you believe in create anything, something, everything, nothing?
Seriously how can you accuse and attack anyone about being a creationists when you both believe in the same God. Maybe you're a closest creationist who's afraid of being attacked for your beliefs so you pretend you're different and help others attack your fellow creationists. Maybe you should check your belief and examine the God you believe in and why.

I would not call it "the same God". The God of different Christians can be so different that one would have a difficult time calling it the same one. There are Christians that steadfastly believe in and defend the genocidal version of God in the OT and then there are others that claim those stories are metaphor at best.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

How are you different than the others you accuse of being a creationists? From what I've read you believe in the same creator God from the bible or do you have your own version? Did the God of the Bible you believe in create anything, something, everything, nothing?
Seriously how can you accuse and attack anyone about being a creationists when you both believe in the same God. Maybe you're a closest creationist who's afraid of being attacked for your beliefs so you pretend you're different and help others attack your fellow creationists. Maybe you should check your belief and examine the God you believe in and why.

If you want to start a thread attacking me, then go ahead and do it if the staff will let you, this thread is about intelligent design. I do not even know you, but you came on here like you already had some kind of beef with me.

I have not attacked anyone for being a creationist. I have addressed what they claim and been subject to the tactics they use. Are you not just jumping on the bandwagon here? Jollybear has been consistent in attacking me as opposed to discussing the subject of the thread that I continually try to bring the conversation back to. I have not attacked his belief. I have addressed his claims.

You have made me the subject of your post and as such, seem to be attacking me. I do not know why. I am not that interesting. I have made no claims about my belief, except to briefly say that I have it and what it is. I have made a clear distinction between what I believe and what I can support with evidence and reasoned argument. This seems to be a problem for others, which now appears to include you.

If you think I am doing something wrong, then you should report me. I maintain that I have not gone outside the bounds of what is reasonable, especially in light of the fact that I have been under constant assault by jolybear for the last few weeks. His behavior is typical of what I have experienced with strict literal creationists in the past. If you do not like what I have to post, put me on ignore.

 

[Jollybear]

I would not call it "the same God". The God of different Christians can be so different that one would have a difficult time calling it the same one. There are Christians that steadfastly believe in and defend the genocidal version of God in the OT and then there are others that claim those stories are metaphor at best.

So is dans God a metaphor and not real?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Ok, so, WHAT is the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder then? Eh huh?

Ok, so, what is it about DNA that makes you claim it is a language?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So is dans God a metaphor and not real?

Not what I said. The mythical stories in the Bible may be metaphors or morality tales.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So is dans God a metaphor and not real?

My God is the Christian God, but he does not employ extraterrestrials to the best of my knowledge. You just cannot get off me as a diversion from presenting support for you claim that DNA is a language.

 

[Jollybear]

If you want to start a thread attacking me, then go ahead and do it if the staff will let you, this thread is about intelligent design. I do not even know you, but you came on here like you already had some kind of beef with me.

I have not attacked anyone for being a creationist. I have addressed what they claim and been subject to the tactics they use. Are you not just jumping on the bandwagon here? Jollybear has been consistent in attacking me as opposed to discussing the subject of the thread that I continually try to bring the conversation back to. I have not attacked his belief. I have addressed his claims.

You have made me the subject of your post and as such, seem to be attacking me. I do not know why. I am not that interesting. I have made no claims about my belief, except to briefly say that I have it and what it is. I have made a clear distinction between what I believe and what I can support with evidence and reasoned argument. This seems to be a problem for others, which now appears to include you.

If you think I am doing something wrong, then you should report me. I maintain that I have not gone outside the bounds of what is reasonable, especially in light of the fact that I have been under constant assault by jolybear for the last few weeks. His behavior is typical of what I have experienced with strict literal creationists in the past. If you do not like what I have to post, put me on ignore.

Everything you just said here is a bunch of false hogwash.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But prior you said the questions wer not an attack. Now your saying they are? Why the inconsistency?



Yes, the thread is about ID. So, back to ID.

Question: whats the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA LADDER? come on, you can do this!

"Purpose" is a loaded term and should be avoided until a purpose is proven. It leads to circular reasoning.

 

[We Never Know]

I would not call it "the same God". The God of different Christians can be so different that one would have a difficult time calling it the same one. There are Christians that steadfastly believe in and defend the genocidal version of God in the OT and then there are others that claim those stories are metaphor at best.

Where did their God come from? A book written by bronze age goat herders! It's all the same God though it does seem some have different versions.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I would not call it "the same God". The God of different Christians can be so different that one would have a difficult time calling it the same one. There are Christians that steadfastly believe in and defend the genocidal version of God in the OT and then there are others that claim those stories are metaphor at best.

Your words have already been twisted. No surprise there.

 

[Jollybear]

My God is the Christian God, but he does not employ extraterrestrials to the best of my knowledge. You just cannot get off me as a diversion from presenting support for you claim that DNA is a language.

Oh im going to support it, THROUGH a question first.

Which IS: whats the purpose of the nucleotides on the DNA ladder?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where did their God come from? A book written by bronze age goat herders! It's all the same God though it does seem some have different versions.

Yes, the same book. But the interpretation is so different that I can't see it as the "same God".