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The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution

blü 2

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No, the mechanisms of evolution, let's say, from fish to apes as purported by evolutionists, are not glaringly apparent, as you say.
Like any other field of knowledge, you need to inform yourself to at least the basic threshold of understanding, something you seem proud to have refused to do.
They are, in fact, hidden. They are not there, meaning despite a fossil called Tiktaalik, there's nothing to show that fish clamored eventually out of water and became exclusively air-breathers. Sorry, but the theory doesn't add up except in the imaginations of men based on fossils and possibly appearances.
Magic is the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality. It has zero known demonstrations.

A miracle is magic performed by a god.

So when God said, "Let there be light," what was the process that consequently brought the EM spectrum into being? Talk us through it.

Because without such an explanation, the claim of magic, including miracles, explains nothing and is meaningless. in the same category as any other kind of purely wishful thinking.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Like any other field of knowledge, you need to inform yourself to at least the basic threshold of understanding, something you seem proud to have refused to do.

Magic is the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality. It has zero known demonstrations.

A miracle is magic performed by a god.

So when God said, "Let there be light," what was the process that consequently brought the EM spectrum into being? Talk us through it.

Because without such an explanation, the claim of magic, including miracles, explains nothing and is meaningless. in the same category as any other kind of purely wishful thinking.
Teachings change within the field of science re evolution. Have a good day.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Like any other field of knowledge, you need to inform yourself to at least the basic threshold of understanding, something you seem proud to have refused to do.

Magic is the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality. It has zero known demonstrations.

A miracle is magic performed by a god.

So when God said, "Let there be light," what was the process that consequently brought the EM spectrum into being? Talk us through it.

Because without such an explanation, the claim of magic, including miracles, explains nothing and is meaningless. in the same category as any other kind of purely wishful thinking.
Evolution doesn't have to say it's basically based on magical theories. It is.
 

blü 2

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Evolution doesn't have to say it's basically based on magical theories. It is.
As you know, magic is the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality, and a miracle is magic performed by a god.

As you also know, the number of authenticated examples of magic stands at zero. (You may recall the late James Randi organized a prize, ultimately of $1,000,000, for a confirmed example, but no one ever won it.)

And as you thirdly know, evolution is science and evolution has been demonstrated in the lab. And evolution is also the only coherent and evidenced theory of the varieties of life on earth.

And as you fourthly know, the bible is a composite of just so stories, folk tales, folk history, and some real history, and is credible only when its claims can be confirmed or at least supported by external evidence from, in particular, archaeology. The Sumerians were first with the flood story, their Noah being called Ziasudra, who passed it on the Semitic Akkadians and Babylonians, whose Noah was called Uta-Napishti Moses being found in the bulrushes is simply a version of an older Mesopotamian tale about Sargon of Akkad. And that was all long before the bible God appears in history, c. 1500 BCE.

And as I said before, gods evolve and the God of the bible evolves.

All without magic.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
As you know, magic is the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality, and a miracle is magic performed by a god.
You may say that, but it is not a fact. Why not ask those here who believe they can talk with the dead what they think about it? In other words, if it's "magic" that such ones claim they talk with the dead.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And I had the opposite reaction whereas I left the church I grew up in because it taught against accepting the basic fact of the ToE, namely life evolves over time. Fortunately, I now belong to a church that accepts such basic and logical science.
How about hellfire? Does the church you are satisfied with also teach eternal torture in hellfire for some individuals?
 

blü 2

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You may say that, but it is not a fact. Why not ask those here who believe they can talk with the dead what they think about it? In other words, if it's "magic" that such ones claim they talk with the dead.
It is a fact is that the total number of authenticated instances of magic is zero.

I'm not aware of who here may claim they can talk with the dead, but here's an easy test. Ask your friends who can talk to the dead to ask my late sister for the name of her friend in Hong Kong who drove a Rolls Royce.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It is a fact is that the total number of authenticated instances of magic is zero.

I'm not aware of who here may claim they can talk with the dead, but here's an easy test. Ask your friends who can talk to the dead to ask my late sister for the name of her friend in Hong Kong who drove a Rolls Royce.
Yes, apparently you don't read too many posts. Let me think -- have you ever spoken to @Sgt. Pepper? Perhaps you can ask her if you want to.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It is a fact is that the total number of authenticated instances of magic is zero.

I'm not aware of who here may claim they can talk with the dead, but here's an easy test. Ask your friends who can talk to the dead to ask my late sister for the name of her friend in Hong Kong who drove a Rolls Royce.
Since the basic fact and science as reality in terms of the laws of nature can never be verified or proved by scientific reasoning on the matter although there are similar structures in the various entities, I'll leave it up to you to figure it out. :) Have another good night.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Yes, apparently you don't read too many posts. Let me think -- have you ever spoken to @Sgt. Pepper? Perhaps you can ask her if you want to.

I thought you put me on ignore, YoursTrue, so why are you tagging me now?


As I've stated numerous times in my posts relating to the supernatural/paranormal phenomena, I don't debate or argue with skeptics either about my beliefs in it or my experiences with it. And as I've stated numerous times before, skeptics can decide for themselves whether they want to believe this phenomenon or not. I've never once tried to persuade anyone that I converse with online or in person to believe in it, and I don't intend to start now.

I don't like being exploited in debates about supernatural phenomena. So kindly leave me out of them. I hope this doesn't become a problem again.

 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
You may say that, but it is not a fact. Why not ask those here who believe they can talk with the dead what they think about it? In other words, if it's "magic" that such ones claim they talk with the dead.
There are some who beleive the earth is flat, but it isn't "magic' that they believe this.
Evidence makes something true not belief.
 

Valjean

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Since the basic fact and science as reality in terms of the laws of nature can never be verified or proved by scientific reasoning on the matter although there are similar structures in the various entities, I'll leave it up to you to figure it out. :) Have another good night.
Yet it's so strongly evidenced that rejecting it would be irrational.
 

SkepticThinker

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Evolution doesn't have to say it's basically based on magical theories. It is.
No, it's based on overwhelming evidence drawn from multiple different fields of science collected by multiple different independent groups of scientists across the world spanning over 150+ years. It's the most well-evidenced scientific theory in existence.
 

Valjean

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YoursTrue said:
Evolution doesn't have to say it's basically based on magical theories. It is.
How are you defining magic YT? Are you just parroting our characterization of creationism?
It doesn't mean astonishing or remarkable. "Magical theory" is an oxymoron.

Name one tenet of the ToE that's not based on sound, objective evidence.
For that matter name one tenet of magic poofing that is based on sound, objective evidence. Your creationism is faith-based. Admit it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I already believe in evolution. I am just not going to watch a video about it.
Okay, then you accept it as a fact. That is good to know. One thing, if one actually understands evolution one does not have to "believe" in it any more than one believes in gravity. There is more scientific evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. Do you say that you believe in that?

EDIT: If you have any serious questions about evolution I can try to explain it to you without videos. Though I may refer you to proper papers that do it better than I can.
 
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