The Future: Humans

[Super Universe]

I do not know where you know atheists from but invariably they tell me they do not believe in God because there is no evidence. Admittedly, more than a few of them are angry that God does not provide evidence, since they do not believe that Messengers of God constitute evidence. then there are a few that talk about logic incessantly and a few who say they cannot believe in God because there is so much suffering in the world. So having had discussions on forums with atheists for over six years, this has been my experience. Mind you, I am on forums whenever I am not working or caring for cats, so that is a lot of time spent, and only recently have I started posting to very many believers. For many years I posted almost exclusively to atheists.

Well, since I have not read the Urantia Book I cannot comment on it. I would not expect to find hardly any Christians who would go for such a book because any Christians I know adhere strictly to the Bible, and I am sure that book is a lot different from the Bible and contradicts the Bible. But the biggest issue a Christians would have is that it is in addition to the Bible and Christians do not believe any kind of revelation came after the Bible.

I fully agree with that, but the anger is really a coverup for fear. Most people are generally afraid of what they do not understand. Not only that, but they are prejudiced by their own beliefs and they have confirmation bias.

I believe in angels but I do not believe in the devil and I do not believe in angels who rebel against God. Let's put it this way: There are many things in the Bible that I consider mere superstition and anything that contradicts science I consider superstition. I do not believe things such as Jesus rising from the grave and floating up into the clouds, or that Jesus will return from heaven in the clouds, and people will meet Jesus in the air or rise from graves. i consider such beliefs untenable. In short, I believe much of the Bible is metaphorical, not literal truth. There is much symbolism in the Bible but unfortunately many people interpreted it literally.

O have heard this theory before but I do not know that I believe it. I do not believe that God needs to experience anything as the result of what humans do because I do not believe that God has any needs. I believe that God is fully self-sufficient and fully self-sustaining, far far above the need for any of His creatures. Moreover, I do not believe that God has a personal relationship with humans, I believe that we can only know and relate to God through His Messengers.

I guess you derive those beliefs from the Urantia Book?

So you don't think that God can love anyone unless he allows them into heaven?
I agree that everyone will not get to heaven because that would not be just. Baha'u'llah wrote that the structure of world stability and order hath been reared upon, and will continue to be sustained by, the twin pillars of reward and punishment and He also wrote that there will be rewards and punishments in this world and in the next world. I do not believe in any free rides to heaven, we reap what we sow.

I cannot know what God will do to people after they die but I tend to agree that nonbelievers won't be punished if they led a moral life. Some atheists are nerds and scientists but most atheists are just like believers, only they do not believe in God. I do not believe people become atheists because something in their life did not go the way they wanted it to. Many atheists I have met on this forum are happy and well-adjusted and had a much less difficult life than I did.

I believe that all the older religions are out of date and the older they are the more out of date they are. I believe the spiritual teachings of all the revealed religions are timeless, but the Bahai Faith is only religion that has social teachings and laws and a message that is pertinent to the present age.

The Messengers of God are like physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, and heal the sickness of a divided humanity. There is no reason to think that the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day would be identical with that which was prescribed in past ages because the ills affecting the humanity at every stage of its sickness require a special remedy. The remedy the world needs in its present-day afflictions is not the same remedy that was required in past ages, and it is not the same remedy that will be needed in future ages.

Ask your atheist friends if they've ever seen an atom.

No one is going to tell you that their dad beat the sh*t out of them and that he was also a "Christian" so thats why they became an atheist so they could get back at daddy's faith. They're also not going to tell you that the Catholic priest molested them.

The angels did not rebel against God, they rebelled against Jesus. Angels are created in the levels, not in heaven. Only a very few angels have been to heaven so most of them have never seen God. They just go by what they have been told.

You can believe what you wish to believe. Jesus arose three days after His death. Over the next few days He appeared to many people who knew Him. At one point He rose up into the sky rapidly and continued on and He was gone. That is an angelic ascension ability. It's not a violation of physics, He simply made His body less dense very quickly so He rose like a balloon. He did the same thing when He walked on water. The scientists are not as smart as you think they are. Some of their ideas violate their own established laws.

I didn't say that God needed our love, just that the universe was designed to send love to God.

God does not have a personal relationship with humans. Well, other than the Thought Adjuster which is initially an infant like fragment of God that connects with humans to instigate choice.

We can only know and relate to God through His messengers? Other than Jesus, God has no messengers. Other than Jesus no prophet has ever received a message from God. When the angel spoke to Moses it never said it was God, it said "I am," meaning, I exist. Moses assumed it must have been God because to primitive humans God did everything.

The timeline information is not from the Urantia Book. I can't explain.

I don't think God loves anyone unless He allows them into heaven? Jesus controls the access to heaven. He said "Only through me can you enter heaven." That was partly literal because to get to heaven you have to go through Jesus timeline. Think of a computer file system, you have files in folders and folders inside folders. As for God loving anyone, there is no communication with God. You can see God and you can return energy to God when you pray and you will visually see Him change but that is it.

God doesn't do anything to people. He does not judge or punish or reward. He does the job that only God can do, the most important one of all. He creates the universe. For humans the judgements come from the Thought Adjuster, because it knows you best. If the TA disconnects from you, it's game over. You don't immediately die but you will never get to heaven and at some point at level 2 you will cease to exist. In some rare instances the TA does not fuse as it should and Jesus will intervene in those cases. At the higher levels you can still cease to exist if you choose to or if you cause problems but the judgement will come from other ascending beings, your teachers, not God.

You don't believe that atheists became that way because something happened to them? 80-90% of the world believes in God. You're saying that 10% of the people are just very happy people who just don't believe in God? No, something happened.

Many atheists on this forum are happy and well adjusted and had easy lives? They're not going to admit the truth, especially to a Christian. You're the enemy. You ruined their life.

Sometimes it takes weeks, months, even years to get people to admit the truth. There is this man I knew for about a year. He was a very large man, football player size, but he was a coward. It didn't make sense to me. He could obviously win most confrontations but he was very afraid. When I told him that he was afraid of confrontation he instantly denied it. After talking about ten more minutes he said "You know, I just don't want any confrontation," and I looked at him and said "I know." He didn't accept it when I said it. They think they are too complicated for you to figure them out but they're not.

 

[Trailblazer]

No one is going to tell you that their dad beat the sh*t out of them and that he was also a "Christian" so thats why they became an atheist so they could get back at daddy's faith. They're also not going to tell you that the Catholic priest molested them.

You can believe what you want to believe. I do not generalize about people because that is illogical since people are all different, be they atheists or believers. Besides, I know my fair share of atheists personally and none of them had a horrific childhood.

The angels did not rebel against God, they rebelled against Jesus. Angels are created in the levels, not in heaven. Only a very few angels have been to heaven so most of them have never seen God. They just go by what they have been told.

You can believe what you wish to believe. Jesus arose three days after His death. Over the next few days He appeared to many people who knew Him. At one point He rose up into the sky rapidly and continued on and He was gone. That is an angelic ascension ability. It's not a violation of physics, He simply made His body less dense very quickly so He rose like a balloon. He did the same thing when He walked on water. The scientists are not as smart as you think they are. Some of their ideas violate their own established laws.

You can believe what you want to believe but you will never prove that Jesus rose from the dead or floated up into the clouds. These are beliefs, nothing more, nothing less, and when people talk about them as if they are facts they have the burden of proof. But no Christian can EVER meet that burden because they cannot prove anything that they believe is true. The Bible is not proof of anything, except that men can write a book. A story is not proof of a story so stories told about the bodily resurrection are not proof that anything in the story actually happened. I am totally on board with atheists on this.

I already told you I do not believe in what I consider contrary to science, as I consider it mere superstition, but again you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, as we all are.

We can only know and relate to God through His messengers? Other than Jesus, God has no messengers. Other than Jesus no prophet has ever received a message from God. When the angel spoke to Moses it never said it was God, it said "I am," meaning, I exist. Moses assumed it must have been God because to primitive humans God did everything.

I disagree with you as I believe that God has sent Messengers throughout all time, and I believe that Moses was one of those Messengers…. I consider Christians saying Jesus is ‘the only way’ to be the epitome of ignorance as well as arrogance. Some of them might believe that, but there is really no excuse because if they want to know the truth it is readily available, and we all have free will to choose. I can understand why more people do not believe in Baha’u’llah because he is so new, but to even imply that Moses and Muhammad were not sent by God is unfathomable and it is the ultimate insult to Jews and Muslims. Moreover, it is highly illogical, since there is just as much or more evidence for Moses and Muhammad as there is for Jesus.

I don't think God loves anyone unless He allows them into heaven? Jesus controls the access to heaven. He said "Only through me can you enter heaven."

So that is as much as saying that only those who believe in Jesus can enter heaven. I consider that an egregious belief and that is all I will say because if I say any more I will get banned from this forum. Suffice to say that I believe that only God can decide who enters heaven. However, I do not believe that heaven is a geographical location but rather it is nearness to God. I believe that people who do not believe in Jesus can be near to God.

You don't believe that atheists became that way because something happened to them? 80-90% of the world believes in God. You're saying that 10% of the people are just very happy people who just don't believe in God? No, something happened.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. Can you prove I am wrong?

Many atheists on this forum are happy and well adjusted and had easy lives? They're not going to admit the truth, especially to a Christian. You're the enemy. You ruined their life.

So, if an atheist tells you that is not what happened to him, are you going to dispute that? Do you know more about what happened in their life than they know? I tend to take people at their word unless I have a reason not to. I have no reason not to trust any of the atheists on this forum, although I have a reason not to trust atheists elsewhere. However, I would not tell them what happened to them to make them the way they are, because I don’t know.

Sometimes it takes weeks, months, even years to get people to admit the truth. There is this man I knew for about a year. He was a very large man, football player size, but he was a coward. It didn't make sense to me. He could obviously win most confrontations but he was very afraid. When I told him that he was afraid of confrontation he instantly denied it. After talking about ten more minutes he said "You know, I just don't want any confrontation," and I looked at him and said "I know." He didn't accept it when I said it. They think they are too complicated for you to figure them out but they're not.

It sounds to me like you are trying to control people. Why does not matter to you if people “admit the truth”? I might think I know why some people act like they do but I cannot really know unless they tell me, I can only guess, and I see no point in even bothering with them, as once they have lost my trust I do not want to see them ever again.

 

[Super Universe]

You can believe what you want to believe. I do not generalize about people because that is illogical since people are all different, be they atheists or believers. Besides, I know my fair share of atheists personally and none of them had a horrific childhood.

You can believe what you want to believe but you will never prove that Jesus rose from the dead or floated up into the clouds. These are beliefs, nothing more, nothing less, and when people talk about them as if they are facts they have the burden of proof. But no Christian can EVER meet that burden because they cannot prove anything that they believe is true. The Bible is not proof of anything, except that men can write a book. A story is not proof of a story so stories told about the bodily resurrection are not proof that anything in the story actually happened. I am totally on board with atheists on this.

I already told you I do not believe in what I consider contrary to science, as I consider it mere superstition, but again you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, as we all are.

I disagree with you as I believe that God has sent Messengers throughout all time, and I believe that Moses was one of those Messengers…. I consider Christians saying Jesus is ‘the only way’ to be the epitome of ignorance as well as arrogance. Some of them might believe that, but there is really no excuse because if they want to know the truth it is readily available, and we all have free will to choose. I can understand why more people do not believe in Baha’u’llah because he is so new, but to even imply that Moses and Muhammad were not sent by God is unfathomable and it is the ultimate insult to Jews and Muslims. Moreover, it is highly illogical, since there is just as much or more evidence for Moses and Muhammad as there is for Jesus.

So that is as much as saying that only those who believe in Jesus can enter heaven. I consider that an egregious belief and that is all I will say because if I say any more I will get banned from this forum. Suffice to say that I believe that only God can decide who enters heaven. However, I do not believe that heaven is a geographical location but rather it is nearness to God. I believe that people who do not believe in Jesus can be near to God.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. Can you prove I am wrong?

So, if an atheist tells you that is not what happened to him, are you going to dispute that? Do you know more about what happened in their life than they know? I tend to take people at their word unless I have a reason not to. I have no reason not to trust any of the atheists on this forum, although I have a reason not to trust atheists elsewhere. However, I would not tell them what happened to them to make them the way they are, because I don’t know.

It sounds to me like you are trying to control people. Why does not matter to you if people “admit the truth”? I might think I know why some people act like they do but I cannot really know unless they tell me, I can only guess, and I see no point in even bothering with them, as once they have lost my trust I do not want to see them ever again.

You don't generalize about people because that is illogical? Athenean logic is the classification of arguments. So it's okay to classify arguments but it's not okay to classify people?

People are all different? Okay, what is the difference between a person who is 600 lbs and trapped in bed all day long and a person who works out often and is shape and can move around on their own?

If we supposedly can't figure people out then there wouldn't be years and years of psychological study and many books and experiments to learn about. We can figure people out, you just don't want to.

You know atheists and none had a horrific childhood? Ever know a kid who cried at every little thing? To an atheist having to go to church is traumatic.

I will never prove that Jesus rose from the dead? I don't have to.

To you God has sent messengers all the time? God does not get involved. Humans are not important enough. When Jesus said "Only through Me can you get to heaven," what He meant was that He controls the doorway to heaven.

Why is it so important that God, the Creator of the entire universe, sends messengers to humans? What is wrong with an angel or intuitive human sending a message? Here's why, it makes you feel small and insignificant if God is not involved. Many people have a hard time with that.

To imply that Mohammad was not sent by God? No implication. It's universal fact. God does not get involved. Islam believes that an angel gave Mohammad all the information, now, they believe that the angel was sent by God but the info came from an angel.

When you preach a belief that is different from Judaism or Islam, like Baha'i, that is insulting to them.

You don't believe that balloons rise?

There is just as much evidence for Moses and Mohammad as there is for Jesus? Whether they were real beings or not does not matter. What matters is the new and better ideas they gave us. Did you notice that after Jesus the Jews stopped stoning people to death if they violated the sabbath?

Can I prove you wrong? Much of science depends on statistics. In science there is no way to know what caused a person's cancer but smokers get cancer more often. So, smoking causes cancer but there is no direct evidence of it because you never know what cell was the first to mutate or what caused that cell to mutate. So, you don't like statistics but you like science that depends on statistics. So, you pick and choose the statistics you like and dismiss the ones you don't. That's not science, that's human emotions getting involved.

Do I know more about an atheists life than they do? No, but they're not going to just come out and tell me. This is not a psychiatrist office. They're not looking for help. They want to vent at the Christians because they had to go to church. So I have to make an assumption, they were molested, to get them to talk because they don't want me to think that they were molested, even if they were.

You take people at their word? I know. That is very obvious.

It sounds to you that I'm trying to control people? This is the internet, what control do I have over others? Am I trying to manipulate them to get them to open up so we can address the REAL reason they hate religion and God? Yep, but that is the nature of the business. And they are coming here to Religious Forums to vent their anger at Christians. So, it's a two way street.

You're upset because you want your Baha'ullah to have received all of his information directly from God. You want to worship him as a prophet. You're not supposed to do that. The Christians do the same thing with Jesus. No one should worship prophets. The new and better ideas, the information is what matters, not the being who presented it.

You don't have to reply to any of my posts anymore.

 

[Trailblazer]

You don't generalize about people because that is illogical? Athenean logic is the classification of arguments. So it's okay to classify arguments but it's not okay to classify people?

It is not okay for me, because I consider classifying entire groups of people in a negative fashion as judging them and I consider that immoral.

If we supposedly can't figure people out then there wouldn't be years and years of psychological study and many books and experiments to learn about. We can figure people out, you just don't want to.

Are you a psychologist? I have the training, but even then, I would consider it arrogant to think that I have figured anyone out.

You know atheists and none had a horrific childhood? Ever know a kid who cried at every little thing? To an atheist having to go to church is traumatic.

I do not know that no atheists ever had a horrific childhood, but I also do not know that no believers ever had a horrific childhood, so what is your point?
To me going to church is traumatic, but so what?

To you God has sent messengers all the time? God does not get involved. Humans are not important enough. When Jesus said "Only through Me can you get to heaven," what He meant was that He controls the doorway to heaven.

If that is what you want to believe that means you can believe that, but I do not believe that. At the very most, that Jesus was the only way only applied to the Dispensation of Jesus, which ended with the coming of Muhammad..

Why is it so important that God, the Creator of the entire universe, sends messengers to humans? What is wrong with an angel or intuitive human sending a message? Here's why, it makes you feel small and insignificant if God is not involved. Many people have a hard time with that.

I do not believe that angels or humans can receive and transmit messages from God.

To imply that Mohammad was not sent by God? No implication. It's universal fact. God does not get involved. Islam believes that an angel gave Mohammad all the information, now, they believe that the angel was sent by God but the info came from an angel.

I believe the message was sent by God through an angel who spoke through the Holy Spirit.

There is just as much evidence for Moses and Mohammad as there is for Jesus? Whether they were real beings or not does not matter. What matters is the new and better ideas they gave us. Did you notice that after Jesus the Jews stopped stoning people to death if they violated the sabbath?

It matters to me if they were real beings because I don't believe in anyone who was not real. If you are going to make the argument that Jesus made improvements, then you would also have to look at the further improvements made by Muhammad and Baha'u'llah.

Do I know more about an atheists life than they do? No, but they're not going to just come out and tell me. This is not a psychiatrist office. They're not looking for help. They want to vent at the Christians because they had to go to church. So I have to make an assumption, they were molested, to get them to talk because they don't want me to think that they were molested, even if they were.

If they are not looking for help then why do you think you need to offer help?
If atheists vent at Christians I think it is because they think Christianity is a false religion, and they do not believe in God. Why do you assume they were molested and why do you think it is your job to get them to talk about it?

It sounds to you that I'm trying to control people? This is the internet, what control do I have over others? Am I trying to manipulate them to get them to open up so we can address the REAL reason they hate religion and God? Yep, but that is the nature of the business. And they are coming here to Religious Forums to vent their anger at Christians. So, it's a two way street.

I do not see very many atheists venting their anger at Christians. Is disagreeing with Christians the same as venting anger? I disagree with Christians but I do not get angry at them, except maybe privately.
The way to get people to open up is by getting to know them and being kind to them. Then if they want to open up they will.

You're upset because you want your Baha'ullah to have received all of his information directly from God. You want to worship him as a prophet. You're not supposed to do that. The Christians do the same thing with Jesus. No one should worship prophets. The new and better ideas, the information is what matters, not the being who presented it.

I do not want any of that, I just believe it happened, and I do not worship Baha'u'llah, I only worship God. Baha'u'llah said we are to worship only God, just as Jesus said.

If the new and better ideas and the information is what matters, you are lagging way behind by stopping with Jesus and the Bible because much more information has been presented since Jesus came.

You don't have to reply to any of my posts anymore.

I would not have replied if I had seen that, but I read posts from top to bottom so I just saw that, and now that I know I won't reply again, so you do not have to reply to this post.

 

[Super Universe]

It is not okay for me, because I consider classifying entire groups of people in a negative fashion as judging them and I consider that immoral.

Are you a psychologist? I have the training, but even then, I would consider it arrogant to think that I have figured anyone out.

I do not know that no atheists ever had a horrific childhood, but I also do not know that no believers ever had a horrific childhood, so what is your point?
To me going to church is traumatic, but so what?

If that is what you want to believe that means you can believe that, but I do not believe that. At the very most, that Jesus was the only way only applied to the Dispensation of Jesus, which ended with the coming of Muhammad..

I do not believe that angels or humans can receive and transmit messages from God.

I believe the message was sent by God through an angel who spoke through the Holy Spirit.

It matters to me if they were real beings because I don't believe in anyone who was not real. If you are going to make the argument that Jesus made improvements, then you would also have to look at the further improvements made by Muhammad and Baha'u'llah.

If they are not looking for help then why do you think you need to offer help?
If atheists vent at Christians I think it is because they think Christianity is a false religion, and they do not believe in God. Why do you assume they were molested and why do you think it is your job to get them to talk about it?

I do not see very many atheists venting their anger at Christians. Is disagreeing with Christians the same as venting anger? I disagree with Christians but I do not get angry at them, except maybe privately.
The way to get people to open up is by getting to know them and being kind to them. Then if they want to open up they will.

I do not want any of that, I just believe it happened, and I do not worship Baha'u'llah, I only worship God. Baha'u'llah said we are to worship only God, just as Jesus said.

If the new and better ideas and the information is what matters, you are lagging way behind by stopping with Jesus and the Bible because much more information has been presented since Jesus came.

I would not have replied if I had seen that, but I read posts from top to bottom so I just saw that, and now that I know I won't reply again, so you do not have to reply to this post.

What counseling training could you have that didn't teach you to judge others? If you just want to sprinkle flower petals on psychopaths, that's fine, it's not going to help them change.

Have you ever heard of the Marshmallow Experiment?

You think it's arrogant to think you have figured someone out? Then you can never help anyone if you can't figure anything out. Your always going to have to go with what people tell you and people lie.

My point about trauma is each person decides what their trauma is. Some have experienced years of emotional abuse. Some have experienced years of emotional and physical abuse. Some had to go to church. For some, it was simply that their parents divorced. I know a man who's excuse is that he has diabetes. He thinks he can lie, cheat, steal from friends and family and not work and live off of their generosity because he got stuck with diabetes and they didn't. He interprets things to benefit him. He has an excuse and it is never ending.

Jesus teachings ended with Mohammed? What did Mohammed teach that was superior to Jesus teachings?

Mohammad made improvements? Only to the beliefs the arab people had at the time, nothing he taught was superior to Jesus teachings. I knew Baha'i appreciated all religions but I did not know that you thought the latest stuff was always better. Sometimes people have to learn to crawl before they can walk. You can't give them too much at one time. Even most Jews did not accept Jesus teachings.

Why do I need to offer help? I'm not sure I am. The truth is the truth whether humans accept it or not. But the more the truth is told the more it sinks in. A man went to a friends party. There was music in the background. The man did not pay attention to it, he talked with the people, he drank and ate and he flirted with the girls. He left the party alone and went home. Three days later he heard a song and had to go out and buy the CD. He listened to the entire thing and absolutely loved it so he took the CD over to his friends house to play it for him. The friend already knew that music, it was played at the party.

You don't see many atheists venting their anger at Christians? In another thread, one atheist posted a reply to me, "I get angry when I see people teaching religion to children." And you think that nothing happened to them.

I am lagging behind because there is much more information presented? Baha'ullah died in 1892. The UB was given to humanity in 1955. You're the one who is behind. Also, there is much, much, much more that I haven't gone into because it's evolving very quickly and the little people need to be hand fed a tiny spoonful at a time.

You don't have to reply to this.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am lagging behind because there is much more information presented? Baha'ullah died in 1892. The UB was given to humanity in 1955. You're the one who is behind. Also, there is much, much, much more that I haven't gone into because it's evolving very quickly and the little people need to be hand fed a tiny spoonful at a time.

Anyone can write a book and make claims. Who gave humanity the UB?
I do not believe I am lagging behind unless it was a Revelation from God.
If it was a Revelation from God what is the evidence that demonstrates that is the case?

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus teachings ended with Mohammed? What did Mohammed teach that was superior to Jesus teachings?

Muhammad did not teach anything that was superior, it was just new and some of it was different from what Jesus taught, but what Jesus taught is just as valid as it ever was:

Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

Mohammad made improvements? Only to the beliefs the arab people had at the time, nothing he taught was superior to Jesus teachings. I knew Baha'i appreciated all religions but I did not know that you thought the latest stuff was always better.

Bahais do not believe that the teachings of any of the Messengers of God are superior to any others.
Bahais do not believe that the latest stuff is better, only that the message and the social teachings and laws are the most pertinent to the times we live in.

 

[Trailblazer]

What counseling training could you have that didn't teach you to judge others?

I did not get that from my counseling training, I got that from Jesus:

Matthew 7:1-3 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

[Super Universe]

Anyone can write a book and make claims. Who gave humanity the UB?
I do not believe I am lagging behind unless it was a Revelation from God.
If it was a Revelation from God what is the evidence that demonstrates that is the case?

Anyone can write a book? Can you?

Who gave humanity the UB? Angels.

So you don't like some tiny piece of information that I typed and so you are dismissing the entire thing. That's a very emotional response typical of humans. You're refusing information because it has to be what you WANT it to be. People are so easy to figure out.

 

[Super Universe]

I did not get that from my counseling training, I got that from Jesus:

Matthew 7:1-3 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Judge not, that you be judged? I'm fine with being judged. I accept it as a universal reality. I'm not scared one bit. How about you? That quote is not Jesus saying never judge. What He's saying is use the same standard for others that you use for yourself.

So you judge me and tell me not to judge. Right.

 

[Trailblazer]

Anyone can write a book? Can you?

I could if I wanted to.

Who gave humanity the UB? Angels.

You are free to believe that if you want to, but unless you can prove it it is not a fact, it is a belief.

So you don't like some tiny piece of information that I typed and so you are dismissing the entire thing. That's a very emotional response typical of humans. You're refusing information because it has to be what you WANT it to be. People are so easy to figure out.

I am not dismissing anything, I told you I do not know anything about the UB. I cannot justly dismiss something I know nothing about.

You have not figured me out. The only reason I would dismiss it is if I believed it made false claims. It has nothing to do with what I want, only with what I believe is true.

 

[Super Universe]

I could if I wanted to.

You are free to believe that if you want to, but unless you can prove it it is not a fact, it is a belief.

I am not dismissing anything, I told you I do not know anything about the UB. I cannot justly dismiss something I know nothing about.

You have not figured me out. The only reason I would dismiss it is if I believed it made false claims. It has nothing to do with what I want, only with what I believe is true.

You could write a book if you wanted to? It's good when people think they can do anything. Try it. You'll find out how hard it is. A little humility can be a good thing.

It's not fact if I can't prove it? Prove one thing to me. Anything. You pick. I bet you can't do it. I know you can't.

You cannot dismiss something you know nothing about. You're doing that now. People do it all the time because what they want always takes precedence. Me, me, me, me, I, I, I, I.

I have not figured you out. Hehe... Oh, I have. No one ever admits it. You think you're much too complex.

 

[Trailblazer]

Judge not, that you be judged? I'm fine with being judged. I accept it as a universal reality. I'm not scared one bit. How about you? That quote is not Jesus saying never judge. What He's saying is use the same standard for others that you use for yourself.

Maybe that is what Jesus meant but Baha'u'llah told us not to busy ourselves with the faults of others and that is the standard for my own behavior.
I do not care if others judge me but that does not mean I will judge them. I believe that only God should judge.

So you judge me and tell me not to judge. Right.

I am not judging you. I just posted what Jesus said about judging others.

 

[Trailblazer]

You could write a book if you wanted to? It's good when people think they can do anything. Try it. You'll find out how hard it is. A little humility can be a good thing.

It's not fact if I can't prove it? Prove one thing to me. Anything. You pick. I bet you can't do it. I know you can't.

You cannot dismiss something you know nothing about. You're doing that now. People do it all the time because what they want always takes precedence. Me, me, me, me, I, I, I, I.

I have not figured you out. Hehe... Oh, I have. No one ever admits it. You think you're much too complex.

I can see where this is going and I don't like it.
Bye.

 

[Super Universe]

I can see where this is going and I don't like it.
Bye.

Don't busy yourself with the faults of others? That's fine, unless you're a counselor or psychiatrist then it's your job.

God doesn't judge. He has no involvement in it at all.

You're not judging me? You warned me not to generalize. You warned me not to do this, not to do that.

You just posted what Jesus said about judging others? And I had to explain to you what it really meant because you did not understand it. That's been happening for the last 1,600 years.