The Future: Humans

[Super Universe]

That's very interesting. Our feelings sure do adjust our thinking.

I don't know if it is waiting anywhere but I believe that we will get a spiritual body as soon as we die and go to the spiritual world.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

It would depend upon how well that friend knew me and how well I know myself. If a family does not know a serial killer is in their midst that family must be very lacking n awareness.

I might think I now but that does not mean I know. Then again, I do not even try to read people.
I might observe behaviors and form opinions but I do not know what drives people unless I ask; and even then I might not know because they might not know themselves.

Of course they do not realize it and it is a compulsion, a way of life.

Sometimes I get caught up with them on forums but never in real life. I never give up on atheists as long as they want to talk to me, but I never chase after them. I do get tired of some who are game players and my naive part thinks maybe they actually do want to know if God exists so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I have no false pride so if they think they are making a fool out of me I don't care. Good people know their ploys and they just observe.

I have always been introverted but I gave up controlling not long after I realized I was doing it.

I have always worked for the government and you don't see may psychopaths there. they are normal run of the mill people.

Did I tell you about my afterlife books? I cannot remember if it was you or someone else I told.

As you ascend through the levels you go from dense froms to less dense forms. There are 11 levels. If I recall correctly, there are around 90 changes that take place as you ascend. You go to sleep and awake in your new less dense form. Just like turning off a computer program, changing it, then restarting it.

The family that doesn't know the father or brother is a serial killer will probably never know. It's not about fact or logic. Their mind is already made up.

For me, the ones who are the most annoying are the ones who want to argue logic and solipsisms and strawman and on and on. It's all BS. I took a logic class in college. Logic is not about truth, it's about validity vs invalidity and classifying arguments. It's a total waste of time. Classifying an argument doesn't make it false.

Debate brings me new ideas. It's creative. If we don't activate our brains we stay the same. I don't want to stay the same. I know nothing I say or do will change 99% of the people in the world but I can say I gave it a shot.

You gave up being controlling? Wow. You might just be the only one.

The psychopath I described worked for the government.

You did tell me about the afterlife books. I'm still reading the Private Dowding. I should have gotten through it already but I got sidetracked.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans who are science aware say life begins for each self from an adult male sperm and a female adult ovary, conceived by sperm, grows into a baby.

Consciousness of a string of conscious human awareness.

Science says a human in bio Nature owns a higher form than a life of an APE in Nature...so claims we are therefore the highest life form in Nature on Earth as God.

God supports the highest life form human he says. Never did it say how God allowed that human being to exist formed. For God is in science a stone planet.

Therefore science in biology says, if you chemically change the highest supported life bio existence, SELF by machines and the taking of God matter, then we will chemically change and our bio life would then become less and we would physically become like an APE.

Digs up bones and studies them and says yes, science was practiced in nuclear conditions in the past, converted bio life, made it leave....from Genetics of human owned bio life.

Looks at newly born human babies....not created by God, created by the act of human sexual intercourse and says yes, my science information is 100 per cent correct, newly born babies are mutating and having their blood line DNA removed in genetics.

Loss of healthy cells, loss of human healthy blood and loss of human bone health.

Yes, seen it occur...for God historically only supported a healthy human DNA life.

Little babies dying in ownership of an inability to be born healthy is PROOF, just as the biologist healer medical review research stated.

Never name God O the stone it said...and never change God O the stone body.

The spirit that arose out of the tombs of God, the gases, as thought upon by human being males bio life....fed back images of males, so males died living in real life sacrificed...for seeing those dead spirits emerge.

Historically the water/oxygen cooling, returned into the heavenly gas amassing cooling and new masses of cloud mass merged to block out sun radiation....and so then we saw the phenomena.....male human images wearing his robes in the clouds...as proof that male scientists with machines had caused it.

Radiation as the tomb opening releases the entombed spirit of God actually. Male human science inferred, storytelling. Water owned in the natural heavens already, gets returned by evaporation, when holes and water mass is seen in the holes...as what gets left of after stone fusion is removed...water. Seeing water saved stone historically.

And so the spirit of water evaporates and gets put back into the heavenly body.

What the sacrificed life experience witnessed, in human history.

Only occult scientists lie and coerce about what meanings literature was stating.

 

[ChristineM]

The range from 1910-2010 and the range from 2000-2010 are different ranges with different growth percentages because the range from 2000-2010 is a subset of the range from 1910-2010.

They overlap. What would have been truthful is the ranger 1910 to 1999 and 2000 to 2010. To make such a basic error is inexcusable and throse the claims maid onto disrepute.

Oh yes, some data from other sources.

And

 

[Trailblazer]

They overlap. What would have been truthful is the ranger 1910 to 1999 and 2000 to 2010. To make such a basic error is inexcusable and those the claims maid onto disrepute.

That might have been better, but it still works the way it was done.

 

[ChristineM]

That might have been better, but it still works the way it was done.

How can it work when there 2 values for the same period

 

[Trailblazer]

How can it work when there 2 values for the same period

I don't know since I am not a math expert, but I posted the following question on the other forum I post on because the atheist forum owner is a physicist and a math guy.

Regarding the growth rates of religion and atheism, the range from 1910-2010 and the range from 2000-2010 are different ranges so they will contain different growth percentages because the range from 2000-2010 is a subset of the range from 1910-2010.

True or false?

See: Growth of religion - Wikipedia

I have not heard back from him yet, he is a busy professor, but I can now add your question to that post.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't know since I am not a math expert, but I posted the following question on the other forum I post on because the atheist forum owner is a physicist and a math guy.

Regarding the growth rates of religion and atheism, the range from 1910-2010 and the range from 2000-2010 are different ranges so they will contain different growth percentages because the range from 2000-2010 is a subset of the range from 1910-2010.

True or false?

See: Growth of religion - Wikipedia

I have not heard back from him yet, he is a busy professor, but I can now add your question to that post.

Ok

 

[Trailblazer]

Ok

He might not answer me though as he is being a real dork right now... I should have known.

The atheists on that forum are nothing like the classy and reasonable atheists on this forum, the atheists there live in a little box.

 

[Sandra Jayne]

A thousand years from now, I am going to be so tired of "Does God Exist?" threads. So, so tired.

If I am tired of watching something on the television I find another channel.

 

[Trailblazer]

As you ascend through the levels you go from dense froms to less dense forms. There are 11 levels. If I recall correctly, there are around 90 changes that take place as you ascend. You go to sleep and awake in your new less dense form. Just like turning off a computer program, changing it, then restarting it.

What are you recalling.I mean where do you get your information and where did they get their information?

The family that doesn't know the father or brother is a serial killer will probably never know. It's not about fact or logic. Their mind is already made up.

I know what you mean and that is one way to look at it.

For me, the ones who are the most annoying are the ones who want to argue logic and solipsisms and strawman and on and on. It's all BS. I took a logic class in college. Logic is not about truth, it's about validity vs invalidity and classifying arguments. It's a total waste of time. Classifying an argument doesn't make it false.

Sheesh, that reminds me of this atheist I posted to almost daily for about six years. Logic was all he talked about, fallacy of this, fallacy of that.... I know all the fallacies now thanks to him, and I know how he committed them. Fallacy of hasty generalization, fallacy of ad populum, argument from ignorance, and argument by assertion. That stint finally ended when I told him I refuse to discuss how God should communicate directly with everyone anymore. But of course an omnipotent God can do anything, which translates to "God should do everything I want Him to do", talk about controlling.

Debate brings me new ideas. It's creative. If we don't activate our brains we stay the same. I don't want to stay the same. I know nothing I say or do will change 99% of the people in the world but I can say I gave it a shot.

Debates are okay but I do not like to argue anymore, I prefer discussions.
I feel exactly the same way about keeping my mind active and I know nobody is going to believe what I do unless they are a true seeker, which is rare. Most people already have a religion or something they believe. There used to be more seekers on this forum but I think the Covid-19 crisis has changed what people talk about. Maybe it will pick up again later.

You gave up being controlling? Wow. You might just be the only one.

The less controlling I was the less I wanted to control, either others or myself. Now I live one day at a time, I do not plan anything. It is not that I do not have serious problems and things should be doing but I guess I have faith that God has my back so it will work out as it should. I do not think I have a lot of control over my life anymore so i don't try to control it. I see this world as just temporary so whatever happens here does not matter in the overall scheme of things. The exception is my cats.

The psychopath I described worked for the government.

I am sure there are some in there, but I never encountered one.

You did tell me about the afterlife books. I'm still reading the Private Dowding. I should have gotten through it already but I got sidetracked.

I just love that little book, it always gives me hope and reminds me of what really matters. I think everyone should read that book. I like what he says about hell, and everyone owes it to themselves to read that part.

 

[Super Universe]

What are you recalling.I mean where do you get your information and where did they get their information?

I know what you mean and that is one way to look at it.

Sheesh, that reminds me of this atheist I posted to almost daily for about six years. Logic was all he talked about, fallacy of this, fallacy of that.... I know all the fallacies now thanks to him, and I know how he committed them. Fallacy of hasty generalization, fallacy of ad populum, argument from ignorance, and argument by assertion. That stint finally ended when I told him I refuse to discuss how God should communicate directly with everyone anymore. But of course an omnipotent God can do anything, which translates to "God should do everything I want Him to do", talk about controlling.

Debates are okay but I do not like to argue anymore, I prefer discussions.
I feel exactly the same way about keeping my mind active and I know nobody is going to believe what I do unless they are a true seeker, which is rare. Most people already have a religion or something they believe. There used to be more seekers on this forum but I think the Covid-19 crisis has changed what people talk about. Maybe it will pick up again later.

The less controlling I was the less I wanted to control, either others or myself. Now I live one day at a time, I do not plan anything. It is not that I do not have serious problems and things should be doing but I guess I have faith that God has my back so it will work out as it should. I do not think I have a lot of control over my life anymore so i don't try to control it. I see this world as just temporary so whatever happens here does not matter in the overall scheme of things. The exception is my cats.

I am sure there are some in there, but I never encountered one.

I just love that little book, it always gives me hope and reminds me of what really matters. I think everyone should read that book. I like what he says about hell, and everyone owes it to themselves to read that part.

I was not recalling an experience, trying to remember what the UB says about how many times you have to go through a density change.

Where do I get my information from? The Urantia Book and some other places that I won't mention.

Atheists, like other people, always interpret things to their benefit. They twist the real meaning of the word logic. Also, the universe is not exactly logical. When a small child flushes the tv remote control down the toilet, where is the logic in that?

I'm fine with arguing. I shouldn't but Jesus allowed the primitives to get away with their primitive ways and it still pisses me off. To them that just confirms their behavior. I know when they died and woke up at the next level they were very surprised but I don't like allowing primitive bullies to win at any time.

There used to be some amazing and enlightened people on this forum but they left because they saw an over involved and unfair representation and penalization system where people would lose an argument and then report the person. That is why RF has not grown, it actually has less people than it used to have. I come for a bit to see if there are any "truth seekers" as you call them, then I leave for a few years. So, I probably won't be here for much longer.

I have to be careful what I say because the atheists will delete the entire post, but, RF was started by an atheist and the atheists are in charge. They can say things that the rest of us can't say.
At any time if we say something about our faith it can be penalized as "Proselytizing" whereas atheists can say anything and it's never proselytizing. One extremely angry atheist girl years ago posted a thread titled "Jesus body was eaten by dogs."

I hate to say it but God does not have your back. People flock to religion because they think that they will get something, some miracle if they need it. God does not interfere, neither does Jesus. The angels do interfere but only in accordance with strict rules and only to promote evolving genetics.

Whatever happens here does not matter? Correct, but you have to help others, even if you are like me and don't really like the humans you're stuck with in this time.

 

[rational experiences]

When I first questioned the Church teachings and asked myself a simple self question the only place where you can ask. In my mind....I said to spirit, okay, if you are real prove it. A voice spoke back to me.

Now I am not any scientist, I do not pretend that I am an intellect of some peer teaching who by peer teachings is a cult mentality of forced and compile and complied reasonings for status in variations.

Inventive resourcing for his inventions. Which apply to self status, elitism, monetary benefits and also to be notated as being in self presence "special" as compared to the everyday equal natural self.

Who has to work to stay alive, who had to food gather. Whose food gathering natural ability was removed...when NATURE, another natural body supplied all the food naturally without cost to anyone. And it was replaced by ownership.

So today the scientist who gave up his spiritual conscious natural self bio life history for all of his inventing, being civilization also....now says I want spirituality given back to me...but wants it owned by his peer group review of humans who are spiritual.

Chose to be spiritual, reviewed being spiritual, applied being spiritual, and now science wants it by all forms of studies from the NDE experience studies...to mind control/coercion contacts by the status phenomena studies and the UFO Sun owned attack on us all.

Claiming that is what spirituality is...but he wants it all for machines and reactions.

So I ask him, why are you intricately studying such acute bio owned expressed evaluated life body and living conditions if you are in fact trying to ANTI us all?

What else are you studying and intricately detailing everything including your idea of humans not being motivated to be spiritual or religious idealism, for you believe that in civilization today, the biologist string theories about cosmology to machine is the only truth speaker?

For that is exactly what all the detailing is about. Do we really need religious spruiking or can we just succeed as a natural human.

Not with any scientist and his Destroyer machines we won't.

Which is why religious idealism was practiced, first as a medical status...for before medical intervention, the Temples were involved in science trans mutation of God mass. So Temple history is not religious historically if you cared to quote correct human history.

Science is a complete and utter liar...and biologists, are just as egotistical in detailing what they claim is quantum ideals about life being strung together, yet every presence they study is not their owned life.

So they study everything as if just a mind exists and not a human life...which about says it all.

Religious teaching was taught as a CONSTANT.....guess what Satanists, against your evil nucleation AI constant voiced spruiking evil spirit fakeness. Humanity in natural healer medical terminology knew how they had to impose a constant applied routine to try to bring the human self back to being healed and natural...by the conditions of what Church meetings in a building structured for sound therapies was first established including brain retraining constant messaging.

What the Bible documentation factually proved, it was a realized conscious applied teaching that said never change the NATURE of natural order on Earth or else the Sun will destroy you.

Therefore as you falsify information for Jesus was given 1000 years as was Satan 1000 years...which means no change....then science today ought to wonder about the future of life on Earth...yet they do not. Instead they claim, we did not change anything….why everyone is dying at the moment....you didn't do it, did you science.

 

[Trailblazer]

Atheists, like other people, always interpret things to their benefit. They twist the real meaning of the word logic. Also, the universe is not exactly logical. When a small child flushes the tv remote control down the toilet, where is the logic in that?

I know what you mean by logic, but most atheists I know do not talk about logic.
I have no problem with atheists; atheists are just people like everyone else. Some are nice, some are mean, some are just some are unjust. It is not a matter of what they believe or disbelieve, it is a matter of their character.

I'm fine with arguing. I shouldn't but Jesus allowed the primitives to get away with their primitive ways and it still pisses me off. To them that just confirms their behavior. I know when they died and woke up at the next level they were very surprised but I don't like allowing primitive bullies to win at any time.

I am not fine with arguing anymore. I just left a forum I went back to mistakenly because I was unjustly accused and don’t want to argue about who is right and who is wrong. The evidence is all there for people to see, and if they are just they will see what really happened, but if they are unjust they won’t see it. People can believe whatever they want to about it. I know because of the evidence, it is all there for anyone to read. That forum owner and his moderator will never change their opinion of me and I don’t care. I would only ever go back there if I got an apology but I don’t expect that.

The point is that I don’t care anymore, because I no longer have to prove I am right because that is just ego. I absolutely know I did not do what I was accused of and that is all that matters. Nobody tells me what my motives are because they don’t know what they are. Decent people do not tell other people what their motives are and then insist they are right even after that person had told them that was not their motive. That is so arrogant.

My problem is that I have too much faith in people and I am a person who gives everyone second chances. Because of that I rented my house to a sex offender and who nobody else would rent to. He turned out to be a con-man and he tried to sue me on false pretenses that he was damaged by living in my house. Had I not had a good insurance company I would have had to pay an attorney to fight the false accusations, but as it was I had an attorney hired by my insurance company who settled it out of court and I did not have to pay anything. The tenant got a settlement, but nothing like he was asking for. That was a nightmare for me that went on for over a year because I had no idea how it would turn out.

Compare that to the tenant in my other rental house who owes me over 7000 dollars right now, but he is honest and respectful. He has now been renting my house for over seven years and once a few years ago he owed me 11,000 in back rent but he paid almost all of it within two months. Unfortunately he got behind on the rent again, and I let it happen because I trust him. Now he is struggling with his business but he is honest and he greatly appreciates me letting him stay in the house even though he is behind on rent. That sex offender always paid the rent because he knew I could evict him if he didn’t and he probably had the plan to sue me from day one.

My point is that honesty and good character is everything. Without it we cannot trust people. Baha’u’llah wrote that the light of good character surpasses the light of the sun.

I have come to the conclusion that some people are purely evil and I think there will be a place for them after they die because all too often they get away with their evil deeds in this life. Some other people are not really evil but they are unjust and dishonest with themselves and they hurt people. I try my best to stay away from these people because they sense that I feel guilty for what is not my fault, so they try to blame and manipulate me. I used to put up with that and allow them to make me feel guilty but no more. I have been to hell and back so I can now easily stand up to them and I will not tolerate this abuse anymore. It is freeing.

I feel sorry for people like that, but I have good personal boundaries so I won’t allow them to harm me anymore. Life is too difficult as it is, to have to tolerate mean and unjust people is not something I am willing to do.

There used to be some amazing and enlightened people on this forum but they left because they saw an over involved and unfair representation and penalization system where people would lose an argument and then report the person. That is why RF has not grown, it actually has less people than it used to have. I come for a bit to see if there are any "truth seekers" as you call them, then I leave for a few years. So, I probably won't be here for much longer.

I hope you don’t leave again because I like talking to you, but of course that is your own choice.

I have only been here about two and a half years so I do not know the history but I do know that there are some people who have reported me because they do not like my beliefs, but I am used to that because I am a Baha’i and that is par for the course.

I have to be careful what I say because the atheists will delete the entire post, but, RF was started by an atheist and the atheists are in charge. They can say things that the rest of us can't say.

What is it that you would say that would be objectionable? I thought the only thing the moderators here have a problem with is proselytizing. That is the same problem I had on the other forum I just left, but on this forum I think they are fair about it because the moderators do not consider me responding to posts and answering questions about my religion as proselytizing. That is so unjust. What am I supposed to do, ignore people who ask me questions? I won’t do that because I consider it rude.

You make it sound like the forum I just left, but I do not think it is that bad here. Am I missing something? Isn’t that odd that an atheist would start a forum called Religious Forums?

At any time if we say something about our faith it can be penalized as "Proselytizing" whereas atheists can say anything and it's never proselytizing. One extremely angry atheist girl years ago posted a thread titled "Jesus body was eaten by dogs."

Can you give me an example of being penalized for saying something about your faith?

I hate to say it but God does not have your back. People flock to religion because they think that they will get something, some miracle if they need it. God does not interfere, neither does Jesus. The angels do interfere but only in accordance with strict rules and only to promote evolving genetics.

I did not mean that the way you apparently understood it. I did not mean I think that God is going to give me something; I meant that I believe God watches out for me. I know God does not interfere with human free will but I believe that God loves me and wants what is best for me because that is in accordance with my beliefs:

3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4

What do you mean by “The angels do interfere but only in accordance with strict rules and only to promote evolving genetics?”

I also believe in angels because Baha’u’llah wrote that there is a concourse of angels that come to our assistance:

“Let not your hearts be perturbed, O people, when the glory of My Presence is withdrawn, and the ocean of My utterance is stilled. In My presence amongst you there is a wisdom, and in My absence there is yet another, inscrutable to all but God, the Incomparable, the All-Knowing. Verily, We behold you from Our realm of glory, and shall aid whosoever will arise for the triumph of Our Cause with the hosts of the Concourse on high and a company of Our favored angels.” Gleanings, p. 139

Whatever happens here does not matter? Correct, but you have to help others, even if you are like me and don't really like the humans you're stuck with in this time.

I fully agree, and that is the only reason I want to stick around this mortal world of dust. Certainly not all humans are bad, many are good, and I have no interest in helping people who do not want help. You cannot help people who do not want help. Baha’u’llah had a few choice words to say about those people but I won’t post them here.

 

[Super Universe]

Trailblazer

Most atheists you know do not talk about logic? Lucky you.

I have a problem with atheists. I sense, not always correctly, that they did not get something they wanted in life so they rebel against God and religion. To me it's childish self destructive behavior.

Forums come and forums go. By their fruits you will know a good from a bad person.

You have too much faith in people and give second chances? Ancient Chinese proverb: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

It's inevitable that I will have to leave RF at some point. It's usually because I get too defensive and say something that gets me banned for a year. There are other forums with like minded people that I spend time at but the typical Urantia Book person just wants to "Let's just sprinkle flower petals on everything," and that isn't really helping others.

Is it odd that an atheists would start a forum called Religious Forums? Not if the atheist had a lot of atheist friends and they wanted to gang up on the Christians and tell them how stupid they were for believing in something that can't be proven. Many, many, Christians have come to RF and left because, in the past, it's unbearable. Good Christians can't stay respectful when others have no limits.

I was just penalized last week for saying that a person who was not a good person, who did not care for others and did not perform unselfish acts would not go to heaven and would cease to exist. That was "Proselytizing." But, I have to admit that I did not receive any negative points for it so I can't really complain too much. I was banned for 2019, a full year, because I got into an argument with some college kid over the definition of logic. He only knew computer logic, not Athenean logic, and he tried to say that they were the same thing when they're not. Anyway, I never reported the other guy but he constantly reported me and they assessed four points for one post so I was banned for a year.

You know that God loves you? Good. I think you will like this. Hmm, once I find it I will post it at the bottom.

Angels do most of the work in the universe. On the earth they record everything in almost infinite detail, they also work to improve our genetics because that is the only way we can evolve but they have to follow very strict rules and the Lucifer Rebellion greatly affected the plan for the earth.


Father's Love Letter

You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me. John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11
For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23
And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is…Will you be my child? John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32

Love, the Almighty Father.

 

[Trailblazer]

Most atheists you know do not talk about logic? Lucky you.

I have a problem with atheists. I sense, not always correctly, that they did not get something they wanted in life so they rebel against God and religion. To me it's childish self destructive behavior.

I would be careful not to generalize because all atheists are different just as all believers are different. Most atheists I know do not believe in God because they see no evidence that God exists, it has nothing to do with a rebellion.

Forums come and forums go. By their fruits you will know a good from a bad person.

That is true, as Jesus so aptly said in Matthew 7:15-20.

You have too much faith in people and give second chances? Ancient Chinese proverb: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

You are right, I feel like a real fool because I have been fooled more than twice. I sure hope I have finally learned my lesson.

It's inevitable that I will have to leave RF at some point. It's usually because I get too defensive and say something that gets me banned for a year. There are other forums with like minded people that I spend time at but the typical Urantia Book person just wants to "Let's just sprinkle flower petals on everything," and that isn't really helping others.

If they banned me for a year I probably would not ever come back, unless I thought I deserved to be banned. I suppose that could always happen, but all the forums where I was banned it was done unjustly since I had broken no rules. It was either a personal vendetta or a Christian forum, as most of those don’t want Baha’is there.

Is it odd that an atheists would start a forum called Religious Forums? Not if the atheist had a lot of atheist friends and they wanted to gang up on the Christians and tell them how stupid they were for believing in something that can't be proven. Many, many, Christians have come to RF and left because, in the past, it's unbearable. Good Christians can't stay respectful when others have no limits.

It can be difficult for a Baha’i to stay respectful when Christians have no limits. On another forum, there is a Christian who has finally escalated to name-calling and telling me I am going to hell, and on the forum I just left there was a Christian who pushed me to the limit, insulting me by trying to make me look stupid just because she could not understand what I was saying. I don’t know why I put up with it for so long.

I was just penalized last week for saying that a person who was not a good person, who did not care for others and did not perform unselfish acts would not go to heaven and would cease to exist. That was "Proselytizing." But, I have to admit that I did not receive any negative points for it so I can't really complain too much. I was banned for 2019, a full year, because I got into an argument with some college kid over the definition of logic. He only knew computer logic, not Athenean logic, and he tried to say that they were the same thing when they're not. Anyway, I never reported the other guy but he constantly reported me and they assessed four points for one post so I was banned for a year.

Well, you were lucky if you did not get dinged for that. One more ding and I am gone. I have learned what not to say, and actually it is a good thing because most of those things I should not be saying. It is good for my character to exercise restraint and eventually it became a habit.

You know that God loves you? Good. I think you will like this. Hmm, once I find it I will post it.

I don’t know, I just believe and hope.

Angels do most of the work in the universe. On the earth they record everything in almost infinite detail, they also work to improve our genetics because that is the only way we can evolve but they have to follow very strict rules and the Lucifer Rebellion greatly affected the plan for the earth.

The Lucifer Rebellion? So you believe there is a being called Satan? I don’t.

Father's Love Letter

You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me. John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11
For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23
And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is…Will you be my child? John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32

Love, the Almighty Father.

Thanks.... Wow, just wow. I saved this off to a Word document.
So I take it you believe that God loves you.
Of course, this is from the Bible, what about the Qur'an?
Do you believe God loves everyone, even nonbelievers?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Future of Humanity: about 1,000 years from now

We will live much longer.

We will be taller and have less hair.

We will all appreciatte nature and we will landscape around our homes.

We will all appreciatte art much more than we do now.

We will all be vegetarians.

No one will smoke or drink alcohol or do any drugs.

No one will be overweight.

People will have a sixth sense about others. You will be able to tell very quickly how selfish a being is.

Everyone will have about the same things, no one will be rich or poor.

There will be no more fences, no military, no government, no disease, no laws, no crime, no police, no firemen.

People will walk every day.

The world population will be stable.

There will be no polution.

No one will be lazy. It would be embarassing to miss out on a community work crew.

People will be able to heal themselves to a degree that is unimaginable.

There will be no hospitals but doctors will still exist to reset broken bones and perform other surgeries to repair injuries.

There will be no more marriage. People will be together as long as both wish to be and when one decides to leave there will be no angry feelings.

Children will be raised mostly by their parents but moreso by their community.

We will know everything that beings in heaven know about how the universe works.

Jesus will return to visit.

Beings who have ascended to heaven will come to visit.

Some angels will be visible.

We will still die.

Whatever. You have no idea what the next 5 years will bring, let alone the next thousand, same as everyone else.

 

[Super Universe]

Whatever. You have no idea what the next 5 years will bring, let alone the next thousand, same as everyone else.

The next five years? Haven't got a clue.

Next 1,000 years, absolutely certain.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The next five years? Haven't got a clue.

Next 1,000 years, absolutely certain.

I'm sure you are. *yawn*

 

[Super Universe]

I would be careful not to generalize because all atheists are different just as all believers are different. Most atheists I know do not believe in God because they see no evidence that God exists, it has nothing to do with a rebellion.

That is true, as Jesus so aptly said in Matthew 7:15-20.

You are right, I feel like a real fool because I have been fooled more than twice. I sure hope I have finally learned my lesson.

If they banned me for a year I probably would not ever come back, unless I thought I deserved to be banned. I suppose that could always happen, but all the forums where I was banned it was done unjustly since I had broken no rules. It was either a personal vendetta or a Christian forum, as most of those don’t want Baha’is there.

It can be difficult for a Baha’i to stay respectful when Christians have no limits. On another forum, there is a Christian who has finally escalated to name-calling and telling me I am going to hell, and on the forum I just left there was a Christian who pushed me to the limit, insulting me by trying to make me look stupid just because she could not understand what I was saying. I don’t know why I put up with it for so long.

Well, you were lucky if you did not get dinged for that. One more ding and I am gone. I have learned what not to say, and actually it is a good thing because most of those things I should not be saying. It is good for my character to exercise restraint and eventually it became a habit.

I don’t know, I just believe and hope.

The Lucifer Rebellion? So you believe there is a being called Satan? I don’t.

Thanks.... Wow, just wow. I saved this off to a Word document.
So I take it you believe that God loves you.
Of course, this is from the Bible, what about the Qur'an?
Do you believe God loves everyone, even nonbelievers?

I should not generalize? If one or two out of a hundred don't fit the generalization is it entirely wrong?

Most atheists don't believe in God because they see no evidence for God? But do they believe in the atom? Yep. Do they believe in the planet Pluto? Yep. Do they believe that World War 1 happened? Yep. They have different standards for God because they didn't get some toy they wanted one Christmas and they're pissed.

Everyone has been fooled at some point.

One Christian forum I was on years ago, they were praising Hurricane Katrina and they all thought it was sent by God because of the Mardi Gras parades and toplessness stuff. I actually lived in New Orleans during Katrina and lost all my furniture (including a new big plasma TV) and all of my clothes except the one travel bag I had with me so it set me off. I was relentless so they had to ban me. Jesus went around helping people and telling people to be good to others. He didn't say to you should be happy that others drowned in a flood.

One Christian I talked with on RF years ago actually read the Urantia Book and dismissed the entire thing (It's 1800 pages) because it did not mention something she loved in the bible, the part about angels singing when Jesus was born. She tossed everything out simply because of that. The UB doesn't say it didn't happen it just doesn't mention it at all. These instances are clues that people are driven by their desire, not the search for truth.

When people can't understand something they get angry.

I believe in Satan? The UB goes into detail on the Lucifer Rebellion. Lucifer was a very high level administrator who started the rebellion. Satan was Lucifer's first assistant. Beelzebub was a low level rebel angel. And the devil is the angel that was in charge of the earth, he did not officially join the rebellion, he tried to secede the earth from both the rebels and Jesus control. They are not the same being. Jesus allowed the rebellion to continue until every angel had chosen a side, then He offered them mercy, most took it but not Lucifer or Satan. So, they were captured by other angels and they are now on trial. The bible says that a day in heaven is like 1,000 years on the earth, that's because time slows as you ascend through the levels. So, the trial is 2/3 of the way through and should be finished around the year 3,000.

Do I believe God loves everyone? The purpose of the universe is so that God can experience love. When the bible says that God is love, what it means is that all love felt by any being in the multiverse goes back to God. God does not feel any other emotion.

Also, the purpose of the universe is to provide a master timeline. Think of the universe as a very, very, very long movie. Ascended beings are going to be in heaven forever. What are they going to do? They can copy the original timeline, make changes to it, then enter that timeline to experience anything they want. Race car driver, fighter pilot, Hugh Hefner, astronaut, Hugh Hefner again, Mohammad Ali, President, Brad Pitt, Prime Minister, then Hugh Hefner once more.

So, God does not actually love everyone. I'm sorry, I should have found a way to sugar coat that. I think Jesus loves everyone but that does not mean that He will allow bad people into heaven.


Non believers are not punished for not believing. They have to meet the same standard as believers. They have to care about others, they can't be lazy, and they have to have done things to help others with no expectation of getting anything in return. But, non believers are, by nature, somewhat rebellious. They usually are that way because something in their life did not go the way they wanted. Sometimes they are science nerds and scientists are mostly atheist so they go along with them.

I know the Baha'i appreciate all religions. I think Mohammad definitely received revelation from an angel but just like the Old Testament the ideas are now way out of date.

 

[Trailblazer]

I should not generalize? If one or two out of a hundred don't fit the generalization is it entirely wrong?

Most atheists don't believe in God because they see no evidence for God? But do they believe in the atom? Yep. Do they believe in the planet Pluto? Yep. Do they believe that World War 1 happened? Yep. They have different standards for God because they didn't get some toy they wanted one Christmas and they're pissed.

I do not know where you know atheists from but invariably they tell me they do not believe in God because there is no evidence. Admittedly, more than a few of them are angry that God does not provide evidence, since they do not believe that Messengers of God constitute evidence. then there are a few that talk about logic incessantly and a few who say they cannot believe in God because there is so much suffering in the world. So having had discussions on forums with atheists for over six years, this has been my experience. Mind you, I am on forums whenever I am not working or caring for cats, so that is a lot of time spent, and only recently have I started posting to very many believers. For many years I posted almost exclusively to atheists.

One Christian I talked with on RF years ago actually read the Urantia Book and dismissed the entire thing (It's 1800 pages) because it did not mention something she loved in the bible, the part about angels singing when Jesus was born. She tossed everything out simply because of that. The UB doesn't say it didn't happen it just doesn't mention it at all. These instances are clues that people are driven by their desire, not the search for truth.

Well, since I have not read the Urantia Book I cannot comment on it. I would not expect to find hardly any Christians who would go for such a book because any Christians I know adhere strictly to the Bible, and I am sure that book is a lot different from the Bible and contradicts the Bible. But the biggest issue a Christians would have is that it is in addition to the Bible and Christians do not believe any kind of revelation came after the Bible.

When people can't understand something they get angry.

I fully agree with that, but the anger is really a coverup for fear. Most people are generally afraid of what they do not understand. Not only that, but they are prejudiced by their own beliefs and they have confirmation bias.

I believe in Satan? The UB goes into detail on the Lucifer Rebellion. Lucifer was a very high level administrator who started the rebellion. Satan was Lucifer's first assistant. Beelzebub was a low level rebel angel. And the devil is the angel that was in charge of the earth, he did not officially join the rebellion, he tried to secede the earth from both the rebels and Jesus control. They are not the same being. Jesus allowed the rebellion to continue until every angel had chosen a side, then He offered them mercy, most took it but not Lucifer or Satan. So, they were captured by other angels and they are now on trial. The bible says that a day in heaven is like 1,000 years on the earth, that's because time slows as you ascend through the levels. So, the trial is 2/3 of the way through and should be finished around the year 3,000.

I believe in angels but I do not believe in the devil and I do not believe in angels who rebel against God. Let's put it this way: There are many things in the Bible that I consider mere superstition and anything that contradicts science I consider superstition. I do not believe things such as Jesus rising from the grave and floating up into the clouds, or that Jesus will return from heaven in the clouds, and people will meet Jesus in the air or rise from graves. i consider such beliefs untenable. In short, I believe much of the Bible is metaphorical, not literal truth. There is much symbolism in the Bible but unfortunately many people interpreted it literally.

Do I believe God loves everyone? The purpose of the universe is so that God can experience love. When the bible says that God is love, what it means is that all love felt by any being in the multiverse goes back to God. God does not feel any other emotion.

O have heard this theory before but I do not know that I believe it. I do not believe that God needs to experience anything as the result of what humans do because I do not believe that God has any needs. I believe that God is fully self-sufficient and fully self-sustaining, far far above the need for any of His creatures. Moreover, I do not believe that God has a personal relationship with humans, I believe that we can only know and relate to God through His Messengers.

Also, the purpose of the universe is to provide a master timeline. Think of the universe as a very, very, very long movie. Ascended beings are going to be in heaven forever. What are they going to do? They can copy the original timeline, make changes to it, then enter that timeline to experience anything they want. Race car driver, fighter pilot, Hugh Hefner, astronaut, Hugh Hefner again, Mohammad Ali, President, Brad Pitt, Prime Minister, then Hugh Hefner once more.

I guess you derive those beliefs from the Urantia Book?

So, God does not actually love everyone. I'm sorry, I should have found a way to sugar coat that. I think Jesus loves everyone but that does not mean that He will allow bad people into heaven.

So you don't think that God can love anyone unless he allows them into heaven?
I agree that everyone will not get to heaven because that would not be just. Baha'u'llah wrote that the structure of world stability and order hath been reared upon, and will continue to be sustained by, the twin pillars of reward and punishment and He also wrote that there will be rewards and punishments in this world and in the next world. I do not believe in any free rides to heaven, we reap what we sow.

Non believers are not punished for not believing. They have to meet the same standard as believers. They have to care about others, they can't be lazy, and they have to have done things to help others with no expectation of getting anything in return. But, non believers are, by nature, somewhat rebellious. They usually are that way because something in their life did not go the way they wanted. Sometimes they are science nerds and scientists are mostly atheist so they go along with them.

I cannot know what God will do to people after they die but I tend to agree that nonbelievers won't be punished if they led a moral life. Some atheists are nerds and scientists but most atheists are just like believers, only they do not believe in God. I do not believe people become atheists because something in their life did not go the way they wanted it to. Many atheists I have met on this forum are happy and well-adjusted and had a much less difficult life than I did.

I know the Baha'i appreciate all religions. I think Mohammad definitely received revelation from an angel but just like the Old Testament the ideas are now way out of date.

I believe that all the older religions are out of date and the older they are the more out of date they are. I believe the spiritual teachings of all the revealed religions are timeless, but the Bahai Faith is only religion that has social teachings and laws and a message that is pertinent to the present age.

The Messengers of God are like physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, and heal the sickness of a divided humanity. There is no reason to think that the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day would be identical with that which was prescribed in past ages because the ills affecting the humanity at every stage of its sickness require a special remedy. The remedy the world needs in its present-day afflictions is not the same remedy that was required in past ages, and it is not the same remedy that will be needed in future ages.