The god of this world

[JJ50]

Context, Grasshopper. Negative? The reply to the other poster? Star wars cultural reference? Dark side?

Oh, never mind.. just make up whatever you want, and revile me with righteous indignation.. that's the usual course..

I make no apology for challenging your statements, just as you challenge mine.

 

[usfan]

I make no apology for challenging your statements, just as you challenge mine.

Did you think i was asking for an apology?

 

[JJ50]

Did you think i was asking for an apology?

You give the impression that you are right and everyone who doesn't see it your way is wrong. Do you ever seriously question your beliefs, questioning is good, blind faith isn't, imo? I question my thoughts on the topic of Christianity all the time.

 

[usfan]

You give the impression that you are right and everyone who doesn't see it your way is wrong. Do you ever seriously question your beliefs, questioning is good, blind faith isn't, imo? I question my thoughts on the topic of Christianity all the time.

Oh, good. Another amateur psychoanalyst!
do you have a couch for me to recline on? Shall i tell you about my mother?

Why the obsession with ad hom, by progressive indoctrinees, is the bigger psychological question..

 

[JJ50]

Oh, good. Another amateur psychoanalyst!
do you have a couch for me to recline on? Shall i tell you about my mother?

Why the obsession with ad hom, by progressive indoctrinees, is the bigger psychological question..

Never mind dear.

 

[usfan]

Never mind dear.

Well, why the obsession over my psyche? My motivations, my self doubt, angst, or insecurities? Is that relevant to the topic?

Or was yours an abstract query into the cosmic mystery of why i am always right (from your perspective), and you are wrong? That is a philosophical question i cannot answer.

 

[JJ50]

Well, why the obsession over my psyche? My motivations, my self doubt, angst, or insecurities? Is that relevant to the topic?

Or was yours an abstract query into the cosmic mystery of why i am always right (from your perspective), and you are wrong? That is a philosophical question i cannot answer.

I am not obsessed with you at all, I have much more important issues with which to concern myself. Posting on forums is a displacement activity to give me a break from the considerable strain and stress of my everyday life.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence

Most people err in one of these 2 extremes. The most popular view of the enemy of humanity now, is to caricaturize the devil, and make him into a mythical joke. This is his work, too, to blind people to Reality.

It is not my goal here to empirically prove, or disprove the existence of the devil, but to address his outworkings, of deception and destruction, in the human experience. The evidence of a Great Deceptive Force, in the history of man, is obvious.

I will also relay some biblical facts, about the nature of this influence, in the world of man. As this is a deep and involved subject, and too long for a forum thread, my points will be general, and not expanded upon. I and others can happily expand and clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings about this constant menace to Truth and the individual soul.

1. He is a fallen Angelic being, rebelling against God, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
2. He was defeated at the Cross, when Jesus's blood paid the penalty for humanity's sin
3. He is a liar, and the father of lies
4. He comes to kill and destroy
5. He knows his time is short, and works tirelessly to destroy the relationship between God and man.
6. He has blinded the eyes of unbelievers, so they cannot see the redemptive work of Jesus.
7. Some humans are devoted followers of Satan.. and some completely unaware that they are.
8. He is the accuser, who tries to derail the redemptive process with false accusations and guilt trips.

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2co4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel..

Rev12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..
10 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death...
12 But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

He was a murderer from the beginning

In the beginning God created...........

 

[usfan]

In the beginning God created...........

You misattributed that quote. Jesus said that, so take it up with Him..

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

You misattributed that quote. Jesus said that, so take it up with Him..

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Perhaps then Creator God is evil and the God of this world with Jesus attempting to free others from Creator God and it’s farm factory of a world.

 

[usfan]

Perhaps then Creator God is evil and the God of this world with Jesus attempting to free others from Creator God and it’s farm factory of a world.

Perhaps.

Everybody believes something..

 

[SA Huguenot]

so you are and expert in all faiths including atheism

Glad you call Atheism a Faith too.
I was an Atheist, before someone challenged me to read what the Bible say, not what others told me.
Even though Atheists claim they dont have any recordin in book form about their beliefs, they forget that they Quote atheists on their critisizm of the Bible.
Dawkins is a good example of being a priest of Atheism.
And Atheists believe in what he writes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The god of this world

Which one? Cthulhu? The FSM? Allah? Vishnu? The list is thousands long. How does one tell which god is "The god of this world"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Glad you call Atheism a Faith too.
I was an Atheist, before someone challenged me to read what the Bible say, not what others told me.
Even though Atheists claim they dont have any recordin in book form about their beliefs, they forget that they Quote atheists on their critisizm of the Bible.
Dawkins is a good example of being a priest of Atheism.
And Atheists believe in what he writes.

That does not make that a faith or even a belief. Many people have made arguments better than they could make themselves. That is why they rely on the work of others.

 

[Deeje]

Therefore, as someone who took the time to find out what all the religions claim about their "Truth", I have the right to say:
Jesus is God, God is a Trinity, Allah is an Idol, Joseph Smith and Muhammad was liars, the JW's are wrong...
why?
been there done that!

There is reading and there is comprehension.....
Just because you read something does not mean that you understand it, nor does it make you an expert on anything.

According to the apostle John no one comes to an accurate understanding of Christ and his role without it being granted by the Father. (John 6:44, 65) You could read a whole Library of books but if God is not leading you, there will be no understanding. There are way too many people who have swallowed the lies satan that has sown in the "Christian" field. Jesus warned about it, but most would not know the truth if it jumped up and bit them.

I was raised Protestant....that is personally where I found the lies and hypocrisy to be. Just a rabble of man made beliefs and justification for disobedience to Christ's teachings. That in itself is proof that Protestantism does not have the truth any more than Catholicism does. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
I've been there and done that too.

You see, nowhere does Jesus ever claim to be God...not once. Your trinity is one of the devil's greatest triumphs....look how many people believe it! It is a breach of the the first Commandment.....pure blasphemy! IMO.

 

[SA Huguenot]

There is reading and there is comprehension.....
Just because you read something does not mean that you understand it, nor does it make you an expert on anything.

According to the apostle John no one comes to an accurate understanding of Christ and his role without it being granted by the Father. (John 6:44, 65) You could read a whole Library of books but if God is not leading you, there will be no understanding. There are way too many people who have swallowed the lies satan that has sown in the "Christian" field. Jesus warned about it, but most would not know the truth if it jumped up and bit them.

I was raised Protestant....that is personally where I found the lies and hypocrisy to be. Just a rabble of man made beliefs and justification for disobedience to Christ's teachings. That in itself is proof that Protestantism does not have the truth any more than Catholicism does. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
I've been there and done that too.

You see, nowhere does Jesus ever claim to be God...not once. Your trinity is one of the devil's greatest triumphs....look how many people believe it! It is a breach of the the first Commandment.....pure blasphemy! IMO.

I and the father are one.
No one comes through the Father but by me.
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
In the beginning was the word, and the word as with God and the Word was God, and everything was created through the Word, and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.

If you think for one moment that I perceive Jesus as a different God than the Father, you are so wrong and dont have a clue to what the Trinity is.
I think you should perhaps opoen a small glimmer of light and realise that perhaps what you were taught about the Trinity was something no one anyhow believed in ever.
Just as the Muslims perceive that the Trinity is mary, the Father and Jesus, your view is incorrect.

I do not believe in Polytheism at all!

 

[Deeje]

IMO There can not be any devil in the world and all evil is created by humanity as is all good . That is because God would never allow another force to hold any influence over God's children. God can do this because God can do anything. because we have freewill we choose to do evil things.

Do you believe the Bible? It explains all about the devil....how he began and what his agenda is. He is a real entity that Jesus spoke about. He was also tempted by him. Is the Bible telling lies?

Job was also assailed by the devil in an effort to destroy his faith. His experience answers the question as to why God allows him to test mankind in the same way. Is this a fictitious account too?

This is the weakness with the christian view of satan etc.To suppose satan exists imo is an insult to our beloved Creator who went as far as to bless us to be fruitful and multiply It makes no sense that God would do this and then create or allow to exist (or whatever you think ) a satanic powerful force to ruin our lives. God's blessing cannot be divisive... God is ONE

The weakness IMO, is to discredit the word of God because you don't understand what happened in the beginning and how God is using the devil to his own advantage....playing him at his own game.
This is how God separates the sheep from the goats.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Do you believe the Bible? It explains all about the devil....how he began and what his agenda is. He is a real entity that Jesus spoke about. He was also tempted by him. Is the Bible telling lies?

Job was also assailed by the devil in an effort to destroy his faith. His experience answers the question as to why God allows him to test mankind in the same way. Is this a fictitious account too?



The weakness IMO, is to discredit the word of God because you don't understand what happened in the beginning and how God is using the devil to his own advantage....playing him at his own game.
This is how God separates the sheep from the goats.

I believe in the Bible, and it does not explain all about the Devil.
It explains how God sent His Word to the Earth where He as God took human form to live, suffer, bleed, feel pain, and to die like us.
It explains how this Word was crucified, and died and rose from the dead, because his human body died, but the immortal Word of God acn not die.
This immortal word then took an immortal body, one covered in light, and assended into heaven and joined the Father in their glory as one with the Holy Ghost.
Satan is nothing, Jesus destroyed him when He destroyed the one thing Satan had over us...death!
Death means nothimng, and Satan knows his time is out, and his power over God's creation lost.

I like talking to you. I am going to open another thread where I can speak on the topic.

 

[Lionel Refson]

Do you believe the Bible? It explains all about the devil....how he began and what his agenda is. He is a real entity that Jesus spoke about. He was also tempted by him. Is the Bible telling lies?

Job was also assailed by the devil in an effort to destroy his faith. His experience answers the question as to why God allows him to test mankind in the same way. Is this a fictitious account too?



The weakness IMO, is to discredit the word of God because you don't understand what happened in the beginning and how God is using the devil to his own advantage....playing him at his own game.
This is how God separates the sheep from the goats.

Dont believe in the devil, just a creation of those who had tribal self-interest. All evil is done by humanity.. jesus was wise , but for me his word is surpassed by God's.
God made no devil imo, and to think God would have done so denies God's wish for us ie to be fruitful We already were given freewill before the Blessing and God said many times

How many times has God said to us "Be fruitful....Many times ..
Genesis 1:22
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 8:17
Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Genesis 9:7
And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

Genesis 1:22
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 8:17
Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Genesis 9:7
And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

1/We should be fruitful to self and others. We should encourage fruitfulness in self and others. Being fruitful to self means adopting the mental and physical condition of looking after oneself, guarding and evaluating one's thoughts and outwardly being amenable and personable.. being fruitful to others means helping and encouraging others, doing all what one can to make the lot of others more bearable, helping them to thrive; family, friends, communities.

2/ We should not believe in divine punishment in this life, i.e. removal of fear

3/ We should treat all others as equals as God blessed all people equally.

4/ we should discard religious custom and tradition and encourage others to do the same.

5/ We have freewill

6/ We should multiply

7/ We should avoid eating live animals

8/ we should not have fear nor guilt, The ultimate conclusion to this thesis is one that will cause consternation in religious circles. Religion was a human creation that is both unnecessary, inasmuch as humanity does not need it and misleading inasmuch as neither Judaism Christianity nor Islam gives us the true nature of our relationship with God. indeed, if anything they take us far away from our Creator. We kill in the name of God, we fight wars in the name of God, we bow down, pray and worship God in different ways and yet God never instructed us to do any of these things. The only true path for each and every one of us to return to God is to abandon religion forever and a good start would be to remove everything in your Bible from genesis 9:19 onwards!

 

[SA Huguenot]

Two Problems:

7/ We should avoid eating live animals

Why?
Everyone in the Bible ate meat, except Adam and Eve before they lost their immortal bodies.

[QUOTE=" Lionel]8/ we should not have fear nor guilt, The ultimate conclusion to this thesis is one that will cause consternation in religious circles. Religion was a human creation that is both unnecessary, inasmuch as humanity does not need it and misleading inasmuch as neither Judaism Christianity nor Islam gives us the true nature of our relationship with God. indeed, if anything they take us far away from our Creator. We kill in the name of God, we fight wars in the name of God, we bow down, pray and worship God in different ways and yet God never instructed us to do any of these things. The only true path for each and every one of us to return to God is to abandon religion forever and a good start would be to remove everything in your Bible from genesis 9:19 onwards! [/QUOTE]
Pal, in such a situation you remove salvation to take you away from this decaying life you have.
As you sit there and speak to me, you are aeging, you are busy decomposing because of what happened in Genesis when Adam and Eve lost their immortality.
There is only one way of getting it back, through God who died for us to attain an immortal body again.
You want to miss out on it, discard everything after Genesis 9.
You want it, go and read it.