The good atheist

[samtonga43]

I said: "I investigated independently and discovered the one true God of all the religions."
If you know that I investigated independently 'because I said so' then you must also know that I discovered the one true God of all the religions 'because I said so.'

Let's see:
I know that Tb investigated independently.
Therefore
I know that Tb discovered the one true God of all the religions.

Really?

 

[Trailblazer]

Let's see:
I know that Tb investigated independently.
Therefore
I know that Tb discovered the one true God of all the religions.

Really?

If the reason you know is because I said so then you know both of those things.

 

[F1fan]

Yes, Christianity is monotheistic. I don't 'insist' upon anything. But I see the triune God through all of Scripture.

Good thing you weren't born in the Middle East or some remote pacific island and was never exposed to the Bible. But what about all those humans who aren't exosed to the religious ideas you value and think are optimal? Just tough luck?

 

[F1fan]

If the reason you know is because I said so then you know both of those things.

Right: "I believe therefore how can I possibly be wrong?"

 

[Trailblazer]

Right: "I believe therefore how can I possibly be wrong?"

That's not what I said.

 

[Truthseeker]

When I reached a point of Understanding what God is doing with us and this world, I did receive a visit from God. God confirmed what I Discovered and the visit allowed me to Discover more and widen my view further. This is a journey everyone is capable of taking, but few want to.

How do you know that the visit from God is not your own imagination that wants to confirm what you already believe?

 

[samtonga43]

If the reason you know is because I said so then you know both of those things.

I know that you have investigated independently because you have said so many times. But maybe you were telling an untruth? If you were, then I obviously don't know.
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I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.

Am I able to say that I know she found the answer?

Logic 101

 

[Trailblazer]

Am I able to say that I know she found the answer?

The answer to what?

 

[samtonga43]

The answer to what?

* Sigh...
To any question at all. Do you think the following corresponds to the laws of logic?
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X found the answer?

If you do not believe that the above corresponds to the laws of logic, will you provide your reasoning?

 

[Bird123]

Sorry .. I don't believe anybody but Jesus and Muhammad, peace be with them.

There is no need for God to talk to "special people" in today's world.
When things get that bad He will take action.
Jesus will return with more than mere words.

Special People??? All God's children are Equal.


You do not Understand. I do not ask anyone to Believe. I place truth in the world and I can point to where one can Discover for oneself.

How little you really Understand God at all. This world is exactly the way God created it to be. It is the Fix. This world is a Masterpiece!!! The Dynamics of God's system are simply amazing. Widen your view. It stares us all in the face. God hides nothing.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Wildswanderer]

Can you give me a good reason why an Atheist who never did anything wrong in life, who was a good person, helping everyone else first, before helping him/her self.
Who gave his/her money to the homeless so they could gain a better life.
Who even gave their own life selflessly to save someone else

Would not be seen by God and taken in to heaven when he/she died.

There's no one good but God.
No one has never done anything wrong. No one has ever been completely selfless except Christ himself.

 

[Trailblazer]

You do not Understand. I do not ask anyone to Believe.

You ask constantly. You want people to Believe in your belief system called Discovery.

I place truth in the world and I can point to where one can Discover for oneself.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

How do you know that the visit from God is not your own imagination that wants to confirm what you already believe?

One is not capable of generating the experience. God is working on multiple levels with multiple views. We are but mere ants.

It's a struggle just to keep up. That is why I say without a certain amount of Understanding, most would just be confused by the experience. A few moments conversation might take a week to understand all that was said. Who knows how much went over one's head.

Names are never needed. Everyone already knows who everyone is. Everyone already knows God whether the realize it or not. This might sound funny but it's communication at it's best. God is about what Is. Of course, you might not even understand what I am saying.

God is really a Joy to be around. God doesn't value all those petty things mankind holds so dear. God isn't carrying around all the baggage and garbage of those petty things mankind holds so dear. Indeed, this is the way to be.

The first thing God pointed out to me is that mankind carries such a narrow view. I cry that!!! I work on mine every day.

The knowledge and truth are around us all. How long did mankind watch birds fly before they figured out how?? The knowledge was there all along. There is so much to Learn and Discover. It waits for us all.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

You ask constantly. You want people to Believe in your belief system called Discovery.


That's what I see. It's very clear!!

You have been corrupted by religion into thinking it's all about Believing. I point not to get anyone to Believe. I point for those who are ready and want to Discover the Real Truth for themselves. You might not realize this but finding a starting point to Discover the Real Truth without Beliefs is not an easy task. No one pointed for me.

By all means do not believe. I do not want people to rely and depend on Beliefs. God has never been about Beliefs. God is about What Is.

Part of God's system is Free Choice. I make no demands on you or anyone. Each must choose their journey for themselves. I will Love you Unconditionally regardless of your choices. There is no Blaming, Condemning, Hating, Punishing, Pay Back, Intimidating, Threatening, or Coercing. It has never ever been a We against They, Good against Evil. It's about US!! WHAT IS!!

So much is said about God that simply is not true. Is it really so bad to place Real Truth in the world? It widens the view. Opens the doors.

If you think Discovering something is about beliefs, you do not Understand. Knowing eliminates the doubts. The only way to know is to Discover what is really the truth. Is it really so bad to say Discover the truth for yourself instead of following and counting on all those Beliefs???

Choose your own Path!! Your choice will never bother me. I know, in time, we are all going to get there anyway. Even wandering will end up with a good story to tell in the end.

Real Truth will not always be an agreeable thing until one Understands all sides. Believing one has it will not accomplish this.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[samtonga43]

* Sigh...
To any question at all. Do you think the following corresponds to the laws of logic?
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X found the answer?

If you do not believe that the above corresponds to the laws of logic, will you provide your reasoning?

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You are optimistic re this post, Tb?
Does your optimism extend to an ability to respond?

 

[Trailblazer]

*************
You are optimistic re this post, Tb?
Does your optimism extend to an ability to respond?

No, I am not optimistic, I gave YOU an optimistic....
You are optimistic if you think I am going to respond your post.
Besides, this is not a debate forum, so I am not going to debate with you here.

 

[samtonga43]

No, I am not optimistic, I gave YOU an optimistic....
You are optimistic if you think I am going to respond your post.
Besides, this is not a debate forum, so I am not going to debate with you here.

LOL! What makes you think that this is a debate? This is as far away from debate as you are likely to get. It is a question from me to you about logic, which you say you are interested in.

I was not optimistic because I knew you could not respond to my post without admitting that you are wrong. It must be obvious, even to you, that no rational person could deny the following:--
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X found the answer?

To say that you will not answer because this is not a debate forum is the fallacy of equivocation.

 

[Trailblazer]

no rational person could deny the following:--
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X found the answer

The converse also applies....
no rational person could deny the following:--
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X has not found the answer.

Therefore Y cannot say that X has not found the one true God.

 

[samtonga43]

The converse also applies....
no rational person could deny the following:--
I know that X looked for the answer.
X says she found the answer.
Y cannot say that she knows that X has not found the answer.
Therefore Y cannot say that X has not found the one true God.

Big fail.
Double Negation

 

[Trailblazer]

Big fail.
Double Negation

Completely irrelevant to the point.