Againl... this sums it up. You are reading into it at the expense of all the contradictory evidence that three people have supplied you. You want robots as people.
So... He will remains as you see Him... however wrong you are.
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The Good, the Bad and God
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Againl... this sums it up. You are reading into it at the expense of all the contradictory evidence that three people have supplied you. You want robots as people.
So... He will remains as you see Him... however wrong you are.
MJFlores
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Yes they are all twisted examples.
Been looking at my Bible to check for authorized RAPES but I found none.
The reference you gave wasn't helpful at all - Numbers 31:9-17
In verbatim: in exactly the same words as were used originally.
R A P E authorized by God - where is it?
MJFlores
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You are not reading our replies!
We have explained that to you.
Saul son killed EXPLAINED
Jesus the son gave his life EXPLAINED
Jephthah's daughter EXPLAINED
You didn't answer my question.
Did God at that time know that the result of the vow would be the sacrifice to [him] of Jephthah's daughter?
If God is omniscient then [he] indeed knew.
No, you've simply posted moving pictures.
As a blood sacrifice required by God before [he'd] lift the famine.
Barbaric.
No, you haven't explained anything.
Tell me why Jesus had to die.
And what his death achieved that God could not have achieved better and more quickly with one snap of [his] omnipotent fingers.
Concentrate on succinctness and clarity in your own words. Why not save yourself time by skipping the pictures and giving nice clear answers in ordinary print?
As a human sacrifice in which God was complicit and, as shown by [his] promotion of Jephthat to top dog of Israel, highly approving.
I would be happy and honored to answer your question... to the best of my ability, if you can answer honestly this one question...
Does God need to stop a person every time they are about to do something wrong.?
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
The norm practiced by peoples around the world was child sacrifice.
But Isaac.... Isaac is the moment when everything begins to change.
Issac was the beginning of the end of child sacrifice.
It was the sea change. The moment the wind dances and shifts, and a new thing is born.
Genesis 22:8 Abraham answered, "God Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two walked on together.
It happened just like Abraham said, in the end.
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Romans chapter 6 can help many get a hint at some of the deeper, truer sense of what happened on the cross --
"... don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, a that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
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I don't know if you can get this meaning, but what is dying is the animal nature as controller of us, and what is born is a profound transcending of the flesh. That we are more than just bodies. That's only one piece, but it's helpful for many as a step to more understanding.
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I've considered all the "contradictory evidence" you referred to. I addressed it all.
You, on the other hand, only address what you think is strategic.
Thus you haven't told me how you define "truth".
You haven't told me whether God at the time Jephthah made his vow already knew it entailed the death of the daughter or not.
You haven't told me whether you personally approve of invasive war, massacre of populations, human sacrifice, women as property, slavery, religious intolerance and live your life accordingly
I invite you to clear all those matters up so we both know what you're saying.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Most believers instead of that view (sometimes called double predestination, etc.) hold to the view that there is "free will", which I elucidate to mean also that we can make choices that are not set in stone ahead of time, and that are not controlled, but that we have agency that is genuine, not only an appearance of agency.
As for the oft asked question of whom God chooses at times to help, there is this:
“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5
So, you see, there is a choice, at minimum, one can make.
MJFlores
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Where is your alleged God's authorization to RAPE women?
In Verbatim - in exactly the same words as were used originally.
Numbers 31:9-17 – God orders mass rape.
Except for Jephthah's daughter, of course. The seven sons of Saul were presumably all adults by the time they were impaled before the Lord, but they were killed in their capacity as sons. Same for Jesus.
I'm familiar with that position, It necessarily involves a god who is neither omnipotent nor omniscient.
It also indicates that God didn't know what [he] was doing, had no plan in mind, when [he] created the universe.
However attractive the sentiment, we both know that's not how it works in reality.
God neither says nor does and the world behaves exactly as it would if God were simply a concept, a thing imagined, in individual brains.
Gosh, if you can't work out what keeping the virgins "for yourselves" means when said to an army that's just massacred the families, indeed societies, of those virgins, I'm afraid I can't help you till you're at least 14.
Now you forgot to tell me ─
Why did Jesus have to die?
What did his death achieve that God could not have achieved better and more quickly with one snap of [his] fingers?
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A human of ordinary decency would make sensible efforts along those lines. In my view God ought to behave with ordinary decency but there's no evidence that [he] does, so it would be foolish to expect it, which means the answer is, no. Likewise, as I understand it, [he] doesn't need to do anything, so again, no.
Now tell me, how do you define "truth"? What test do you use to decide whether a statement is true or not?
In your view, did God at the time Jephthah made his vow already know it entailed the death of the daughter or not.
In your personal morality, do you approve of invasive war, massacres of populations, human sacrifice, women as property, slavery, religious intolerance or any of them and if so which?
Do you live your life according to your answers?
MJFlores
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Show us your proof that God ordered mass rape.
Spill it out verbatim ac litteratim - RAPE
God orders mass rape.
If you can't then it is pretty obvious that you
TWISTED AND ABUSED the use of this verse
To suit your agenda.
You've had the citation from the start.
If you want to pretend that all the young virgins were being sent to foster homes and good schools, that's a matter for you.
I assume your bible study classes have also made you familiar with the bible's rules for bonking your slaves? They don't mention consent either.
As for fake news, why DID Jesus have to die when his father could have forgiven everyone's sins with a simple executive order?
MJFlores
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You made this accusation on your original post.
Upon reading the verses, where the hell is the rape scene?
You were not fair in your accusation and continue to mislead us on our replies.
When you are cornered with the facts, you would divert attention so you can escape the truth.
When you see the accusation fails merit, you would stay quiet with the hope that things would die down.
Your head line reads: God orders mass rape
But you could not substantiate and misuse/abuse the Bible by referencing an irrelevant verse. Isn't that fake news?
Yup.
In the situation, but not least in the words "for yourselves".
No, I didn't. You had chapter and verse at all times.
Don't be silly. In truth it's a mass rape. No question of the consent of the women is involved.
Your head line reads: God orders mass rape[/quote] Of course. Moses was acting on God's commands.
Of course I've substantiated it. The evidence is unchanged and the implication of the words is unchanged.
Of course not. It's an accurate report of an event recorded in the bible that you don't want to be a mass rape ordered by God.
See previous post.
And if you don't know why Jesus had to die, and assuming it made any difference, you don't know why God couldn't have achieved that difference without the bloodshed, just say so.