The Great Deception of the Bible - Foretold in Christianity

[Deeje]

Nonsense.

Is it? I provided proof for everything I said from the Catholic Bible.
Denial doesn’t negate what it says.

By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

...Because I can show you where these things are implicitly present in the bible, as interpreted by God's one and only Holy Catholic Church, the solely authorized interpreter of the bible..!

Please show us where your Bible contradicts what those scriptures quoted from the Catholic Douay Bible clearly say....

You seem to forget that Jesus spoke of “weeds” being planted by the devil among the “wheat” “while men were sleeping”. So it was to be expected that once the church was left without the restraining presence of the apostles, the weeds took root and all but choked the wheat out of existence. They were not completely eliminated however, but they were persecuted and murdered by men of the church drunk with self assumed power. There is much blood on their hands. Reading about the travesty of the Inquisition and the church’s support of the wars of their nations, they bear the blood guilt of those slain by their members because they had the church’s sanction. (Isaiah 1:15; 1 John 4:20-21)

Considering the sordid history of your Church anyone can see that Christ was never even in the building. At the judgment, Jesus says to those who acknowledge him as their “Lord”, (imagining that they have been “Christians” in good standing..) “I never knew you”.
“Never” means “not ever”. The “weeds” were not planted recently.

Though I'm sure you prefer the interpretations of men, since that's what JW's go with.

We are each under obligation to find the truth, Landon Caeli. But God’s enemy can “blind” people to it. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
We have to place our trust in God because, if we are one of his, he will direct us to a correct understanding....if we are not, then he will allow us to keep whatever delusion we have chosen. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

That is the way it is......time will tell I guess....won’t it?

 

[Iymus]

Nonsense.

By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

...Because I can show you where these things are implicitly present in the bible, as interpreted by God's one and only Holy Catholic Church, the solely authorized interpreter of the bible..!

Lots of random, cherry-picked bible verses here. What it's all about remains a mystery.

 

[Cooky]

Please show us where your Bible contradicts what those scriptures quoted from the Catholic Douay Bible clearly say....

...Show you where my bible *contradicts* what those scriptures say..? LOL.
What about your contradictive "bible"?

You seem to forget that Jesus spoke of “weeds” being planted by the devil among the “wheat” “while men were sleeping”. So it was to be expected that once the church was left without the restraining presence of the apostles, the weeds took root and all but choked the wheat out of existence. They were not completely eliminated however, but they were persecuted and murdered by men of the church drunk with self assumed power. There is much blood on their hands. Reading about the travesty of the Inquisition and the church’s support of the wars of their nations, they bear the blood guilt of those slain by their members because they had the church’s sanction. (Isaiah 1:15; 1 John 4:20-21)

Garbage

Considering the sordid history of your Church anyone can see that Christ was never even in the building. At the judgment, Jesus says to those who acknowledge him as their “Lord”, (imagining that they have been “Christians” in good standing..) “I never knew you”.
“Never” means “not ever”. The “weeds” were not planted recently.

Garbage

We are each under obligation to find the truth, Landon Caeli. But God’s enemy can “blind” people to it. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
We have to place our trust in God because, if we are one of his, he will direct us to a correct understanding....if we are not, then he will allow us to keep whatever delusion we have chosen. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

That is the way it is......time will tell I guess....won’t it?

...And more garbage

 

[Cooky]

@Deeje, you don't seem to get what contradiction means... Because your bible just makes it's own stuff up as it goes! And calls it Holy Scripture..!.?.!

...So why would I believe *anything* said to me by the Jehovah's Witnesses, when they are so dishonest as to change the language of the bible itself, just to suit their own needs?

 

[Deeje]

So this is how you respond to a request for scripture?

@Deeje, you don't seem to get what contradiction means... Because your bible just makes it's own stuff up as it goes! And calls it Holy Scripture..!.?.!

You know that for a fact, do you? Or is it only what you have heard from someone who is trying to discredit our beliefs? From whom did you hear it? Someone who understands the Greek or someone who is appealing to pro-trinitarian Bible translations?

We have not altered the meaning anything.....

Colossians 1:15-16....from the NRSV Catholic Edition....
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Read the entire passage.....Jesus is "the image of the invisible God" because he is like his Father in every respect. An image is a reflection, not the real thing. He is called "the firstborn of all creation".....does that make him "before all 'other' things"? If no creation came before him, then it certainly does.

"All things have been created through him and for him".....does that make him God? Or was God using his son as the agency "through" whom God created everything else? How is creation made "for him" if he did it himself?

Why is Jesus God's "only begotten son" when it is clear that God created many sons? None of them are said to be begotten....because God created his firstborn directly, making him unique out of all his spiritual brothers. And thereafter this special son was used to fashion everything else, including the angels.

The reasoning on your video is rather pathetic, and easily discounted if you just do a little research. Concentrating on a few words and not the entire passage in context, Jesus can be made to look like Beelzebub.

Remember that the Pharisees called everything Jesus taught "garbage" too....so it all depends on your point of view and who you believe.

...So why would I believe *anything* said to me by the Jehovah's Witnesses, when they are so dishonest as to change the language of the bible itself, just to suit their own needs?

You know what they say about the weakest form of defense being attack?....well there it is.

If you want to detract from my response to you by posting this pathetic stuff, that is up to you...do you want to create a distraction, or can we have a genuine scriptural debate about these issues? Or are you ill equipped to do that?

I will pit the NWT against any Bible translation you like. But I used the Catholic Douay Bible in my response to you, not the NWT.

You said you could produce the scripture to counter the ones I posted to you....so where are they? I am happy to use the Catholic Bible.

Let's examine them.....openly and honestly. Can you do that?

 

[McBell]

...Show you where my bible *contradicts* what those scriptures say..? LOL.
What about your contradictive "bible"?
Garbage
Garbage
...And more garbage

Contradictions in her Bible does nothing to excuse contradictions in your Bible.

Interestingly enough, to someone on the outside, you have pretty much admitted that not only are the contradictions she presented present, but that you can not refute any of them.

Cause if you felt you could actually refute them, you would have.
Instead, you attack her Bible as though by some unknown magic, contradictions in her Bible somehow make the ones in your Bible ok.

 

[1213]

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Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

If Christians would be Bible only, there would be only one Christians group. Now that people think they can make their own Christianity, we have many groups and the problem is, who made them god on earth, why should they be followed instead of Bible Jesus?

 

[McBell]

If Christians would be Bible only, there would be only one Christians group. Now that people think they can make their own Christianity, we have many groups and the problem is, who made them god on earth, why should they be followed instead of Bible Jesus?

Getting Christians to agree on what the Bible says is much likened to herding cats.

 

[Cooky]

Contradictions in her Bible does nothing to excuse contradictions in your Bible.

Interestingly enough, to someone on the outside, you have pretty much admitted that not only are the contradictions she presented present, but that you can not refute any of them.

Cause if you felt you could actually refute them, you would have.
Instead, you attack her Bible as though by some unknown magic, contradictions in her Bible somehow make the ones in your Bible ok.

There WERE NO "contradictions" in my bible that I need to refute... She read from the Douay-Rheims Catholic bible -a specific *translation* done in France just prior to the KJV. Some Catholics like it's translation, some don't.

...That's why I layed into her -because she lied and said there were *contradictions* in my bible when there are none.

She opened the door of contradiction. I walked in and turned on the light.

 

[Cooky]

If Christians would be Bible only, there would be only one Christians group. Now that people think they can make their own Christianity, we have many groups and the problem is, who made them god on earth, why should they be followed instead of Bible Jesus?

Since the advent of Sola Scriptura, Christianity has splintered into over 30,000 denominations, and every year, that number grows.

 

[Cooky]

So this is how you respond to a request for scripture?



You know that for a fact, do you? Or is it only what you have heard from someone who is trying to discredit our beliefs? From whom did you hear it? Someone who understands the Greek or someone who is appealing to pro-trinitarian Bible translations?

We have not altered the meaning anything.....

Colossians 1:15-16....from the NRSV Catholic Edition....
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Read the entire passage.....Jesus is "the image of the invisible God" because he is like his Father in every respect. An image is a reflection, not the real thing. He is called "the firstborn of all creation".....does that make him "before all 'other' things"? If no creation came before him, then it certainly does.

"All things have been created through him and for him".....does that make him God? Or was God using his son as the agency "through" whom God created everything else? How is creation made "for him" if he did it himself?

Why is Jesus God's "only begotten son" when it is clear that God created many sons? None of them are said to be begotten....because God created his firstborn directly, making him unique out of all his spiritual brothers. And thereafter this special son was used to fashion everything else, including the angels.

The reasoning on your video is rather pathetic, and easily discounted if you just do a little research. Concentrating on a few words and not the entire passage in context, Jesus can be made to look like Beelzebub.

Remember that the Pharisees called everything Jesus taught "garbage" too....so it all depends on your point of view and who you believe.



You know what they say about the weakest form of defense being attack?....well there it is.

If you want to detract from my response to you by posting this pathetic stuff, that is up to you...do you want to create a distraction, or can we have a genuine scriptural debate about these issues? Or are you ill equipped to do that?

I will pit the NWT against any Bible translation you like. But I used the Catholic Douay Bible in my response to you, not the NWT.

You said you could produce the scripture to counter the ones I posted to you....so where are they? I am happy to use the Catholic Bible.

Let's examine them.....openly and honestly. Can you do that?

You're not used to anyone critiquing the JW religion, I know. You would surely have Catholicism on constant defense if you had it your way.

...Welcome to my world.

 

[PearlSeeker]

No no no.

In the beginning was the Word.

The beginning.

Not following oral traditions of men.

Why is that so again?

Because the Bible said so.

OK. How came this into the book? Was it e-mailed from heaven?

No. It came by writing down the oral traditions of men.

 

[McBell]

You're not used to anyone critiquing the JW religion, I know.

ROTFLMAO

 

[McBell]

There WERE NO "contradictions" in my bible that I need to refute... She read from the Douay-Rheims Catholic bible -a specific *translation* done in France just prior to the KJV. Some Catholics like it's translation, some don't.

...That's why I layed into her -because she lied and said there were *contradictions* in my bible when there are none.

She opened the door of contradiction. I walked in and turned on the light.

interesting.
Perhaps you could make up your mind then:

...Because I can show you where these things are implicitly present in the bible,

 

[Cooky]

They are all in fact, contrary to Bible teachings.

Contradictions in her Bible does nothing to excuse contradictions in your Bible.

Fine then...

TRINITY:
The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Corinthians 13:14, Hebrews 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, which I can provide upon request*.

INFANT BAPTISM:
(Acts 2:38). -not restricted to adults- He added, “For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him” (Acts 2:39, emphasis added).

INNERANCY OF THE BIBLE:
...I don't think you need this explained.
If you do, let me know.

PURGATORY:
The word purgatory is derived from the Latin purgatio, which means “cleansing” or “purifying.” Scripture teaches that we are to be purified of all that is sinful or unclean. For instance, Psalm 51:7–10 reads:

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Fill me with joy and gladness;
let the bones which thou hast broken rejoice.
Hide thy face from my sins,
and blot out all my iniquities.
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
and put a new and right spirit within me.

Likewise, John writes, “Beloved, we are God’s children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. And every one who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure” (1 John 3:2–3).

MARYS PERPETUAL VIRGINITY
the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Samuel 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Samuel 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity.

 

[Cooky]

...Please show me where the above ideas are *specifically denounced* in scripture - thus making them "contradictory".

Because otherwise, it's just Tradition living on, something a Sola scriptura (Bible only) Christian may not like, but none the less, is held onto by those of us who prefer to acknowledge the Traditions of the ancient Church.

*(Remember that in many ancient languages, there was no word distinguishing "brother" from "cousin", in regards to Mary's perpetual virginity / Jesus' siblings)

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Nonsense.

By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

...Because I can show you where these things are implicitly present in the bible, as interpreted by God's one and only Holy Catholic Church, the solely authorized interpreter of the bible..!

...Though I'm sure you prefer the interpretations of men, since that's what JW's go with.

The Bible indicates NOWHERE that the catholic church is the sole authorized interpreter. Nor does it indicate that the catholic church is holy.
Those concepts ARE precepts of man.

Please let go of thy self and seek God and then, He will open your mind to the scripture. And no longer will you be reliant on men’s faulty precepts.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

I believe the great deception foretold in the Bible (abomination of desolation) is :
The teaching that “faith alone” saves.
I really don’t know what you speak of when you say “foretold by Christianity”.
Christianity is a religion (or group of religions). And I’m quite sure that as a whole they have foretold many things. Probably nothing worthwhile.

Yet, I must agree with you.
The concept of sola scriptura is another one of those falsities that arose when the Catholic church lost its control. One needs a “body of teaching” in order to understand the Bible, otherwise an endless buffet of heresies will emerge.
BUT, that body of teaching MUST be true.

I wanted to reiterate my last sentence.
“That body of teaching MUST be true”

The truth ONLY comes from the Lord.
Not people.
Not the catholic church.

 

[Cooky]

The Bible indicates NOWHERE that the catholic church is the sole authorized interpreter. Nor does it indicate that the catholic church is holy.
Those concepts ARE precepts of man.

Please let go of thy self and seek God and then, He will open your mind to the scripture. And no longer will you be reliant on men’s faulty precepts.

St. Paul reminds us that Jesus Christ is the head of his body, the Church (Colossians 1:18), and that the Church’s holiness is derived from her mystical union with Him (1 Corinthians 12:12-13).

On the Feast of Pentecost, Jesus poured out the promise of his Holy Spirit upon the Church and filled her with supernatural life (Acts 2:1-4).

 

[Cooky]

I wanted to reiterate my last sentence.
“That body of teaching MUST be true”

The truth ONLY comes from the Lord.
Not people.
Not the catholic church.

He (Jesus) has made the Church herald of his holy gospel, teacher of his holy doctrine, and minister of his holy sacraments... Until the end of the world. (Matthew 28:19-20).

“Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the Church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish” (Ephesians 5:25-27).