Thank you...finally something to address. I will answer them one at a time.
Please state your preferred Bible translation so that we have no miscommunication.
I will use the NRSV Catholic Edition for now, since the Catholic Douay seems to be unacceptable to you.
This command by Jesus in no way links the Father, son and holy spirit as one entity. The Bible speaks quite freely about all three, but never does it place them all in a "Godhead". Each plays a role but the Father alone is God......"the only true God" as Jesus clearly stated in John 17:3 without including himself.....
"And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."
Eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, as well as his son who was "sent" to redeem mankind...not a concocted triune god that can be traced directly to paganism. And the holy spirit is missing from that statement.
As for 2 Corinthians 13:14, I could not get a Catholic Bible to quote this verse....so I will quote it from the ASV
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
Again....it mentions all three as contributing to a Christian's faith, but nowhere are these three components expressed as "one God".
Hebrews 9:14? I'll include the previous verse for context...
" For if the blood of goats and bulls, with the sprinkling of the ashes of a heifer, sanctifies those who have been defiled so that their flesh is purified, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to worship the living God!"
Again, no trinity there. Christ offered his blood to God...two separate entities in two different places at the same time. God's spirit is the means by which his will is accomplished. It empowered Jesus and his disciples and no doubt was the means used to resurrect Jesus from his tomb so that he could return to heaven and resume the worship of his God. (Revelation 3:12)
* The writings of the "earliest Christians" ( Church Fathers) are not scripture. The great apostasy was to take place after the death of the apostles, so anything written after the first century is to be treated with reservation if it contradicts what Jesus and the apostles taught.
We believe Jesus Christ is God incarnate, both fully God, and fully man.
Some of these ancient quotes are
from the 1st century..! The year
70..! The year
110, 151, 181, 189, etc..! Why dismiss it..? But with the rejection of Tradition, and only the acceptance of the bible, through the man-made theory of
Sola Scriptura, you're missing out on quite a bit of the
real Christian faith!
The Didache
“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (
Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (
Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).
“For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 18:2).
Justin Martyr
“We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (
First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).
Theophilus of Antioch
“It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom” (
To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).
Irenaeus
“For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit” (
Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian
“We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say,
oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit” (
Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).
“And at the same time the mystery of the
oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (ibid.).
“Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (ibid., 9).
“Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are one’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number” (ibid., 25).
Origen
“For we do not hold that which the heretics imagine: that some part of the being of God was converted into the Son, or that the Son was procreated by the Father from non-existent substances, that is, from a being outside himself, so that there was a time when he [the Son] did not exist” (
The Fundamental Doctrines 4:4:1 [A.D. 225]).
“For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages” (ibid.).
Hippolytus
“The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God” (
Refutation of All Heresies 10:29 [A.D. 228]).