The Hadith, source of Islamic atrocities.

[dybmh]

Did I down-play casteism in India? Hindus have accepted that it is wrong and are trying to make amends since the last 70 years of our independence. It is a very sticky thing, we are not yet out of its holds. I accept your point.
Swastika is sacred with us. No Hindu will associate ill will or violence with it. It has the same importance in Jainism and Buddhism. Hitler and Nazis were aberrations. I do not think I can accept this point.
Swastika - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Asia
I, Hindus or India, have no grudge against Ahmadiyyas. They have always been safe in India and the place of their pilgrimage where their Mahdi was born is in Indian Punjab. I am an atheist and I post my views in forums (even against theist Hindus). The saving grace is that atheism has been a part of Hinduism right from pre-historic RigVeda times. All monotheistic religions have been violent when in power. I do not think it would have been any different in case of Bahais or Ahamadiyyas.

"All montheistic religions have been violent"

No. If everyone who was monotheistic was violent, literally everyone would be fighting and killing each other in the streets.

You are stereotyping and demonizing. You are presuming that all Muslims would be violent in the same way that people might presume you are racist because of your avatar. Both presumptions are wrong.

Both are wrong.

If you had the power, you would not gather Abrahamics into concentration camps as a final solution even though you chose to label yourself with a symbol that was hijacked by Nazis.

You wouldn't do that because that's not who you are. It's not because you are a Hindu or an Atheist.

If I had the power, I would not become violent even-though I believe in the in the Abrahamic version of God and Islam, both of those have been hijacked by violent dominant people.

But that's not me. That's not my friends. We are not violent dominant people. The problem is, you won't believe me. And no matter is said; no matter what is done. You still won't believe us. You will always see us as terrorists hiding and waiting for our moment to strike. That is how you see us.

Putting everyone who has a specific label or symbol attached to their name into 1 group and assuming the worst of them is a bad habit.

 

[danieldemol]

Excuse me, but that's a very rude thing to say to someone who does not want to see real graphic violence of a person being beaten to death by a mob (I watched it). I have seen all matter of real graphically violent videos that you can find on sites like Best Gore. I never recommend that anyone watch them as they can be extremely traumatizing. I have trauma issues from watching those things, myself.

You might want to avoid such comments. There's people with PTSD and such in the world. The video might be normal to you and drive another to suicide.

Ok fair point, I apologise to @dybmh for encouraging him to watch the video when he didn't want to. I guess my point is that if you can't stand to see these things via proxy such as youtube, how are you going to deal with them when they come to you in real life because you failed to implement any policy to deal with people who believe such things at the borders?

 

[danieldemol]

OK. Here is what you said:





So I am not making it up.

You said: "It would be unwise to assume the minority". Meaning: "It is wise to assume the majority".

No it means "It would be unwise to make assumptions", and I was on a learning curve, once I learnt the statistics I quoted them instead. I note you left out this quote

That is precisely why it is so valid to criticise certain Hadith, because even in a country like Indonesia where only 54% believe that Shariah is revealed by God and only 18% of the 72% who believe Shariah should be made the law of the land also believe the death penalty should be applied for apostates we see this;

Spoiler: Contains graphic violence

Doesn't take much intelligence to picture what goes on in countries like Malaysia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine where the percentages are much much higher does it?

Why did you leave that post out? Becuase it doesn't fit your narrative of me

 

[Aupmanyav]

Putting everyone who has a specific label or symbol attached to their name into 1 group and assuming the worst of them is a bad habit.

I accept your point. Just as I should not sterotype people, you may also not sterotype a majority of people in Abrahamic religions or even Hinduism as peaceful. They are hindered by laws and public opinion. In world-over and in India too, Christians and Muslims have killed people for not being of their own religion. If they have not done that, they have openly or clandestinely supported evangelism (which is a demographic war and increases religious conflicts) and terrorism. Middle-East support is a classic example.

I must admit that these days, Hindus too have engaged in this type of discrimination. There have been muggings and killings. But I think it is a temporary phenomenon. Hindus on the whole do not like this kind of thing. They have rejected parties in elections previously also for this reason. I suppose the present Modi government will bring a strong law against it, or otherwise, face the consequences in the next state or parliamentary elections. We are not pleased by religious discrimination. That has not been our history.

 

[danieldemol]

You should've found a news article about it instead of just posting a YouTube video that may have wrong information in the description.

No problem, I can cater to people who prefer news articles, check out this one; https://www.smh.com.au/world/minori...d-convert-or-be-expelled-20160126-gmecm9.html

It states

In 2008 the former Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono government announced a decree restricting Ahmadiyah activities outside of Ahmadi communities.

Following the decree, three Ahmadiyah were killed by a frenzied group of Islamists in Cikeusik in 2011, while hundreds of onlookers cheered.

If you read the article you will find it is only getting worse

 

[Neutral Name]

Sure. My point was that you can not treat the systems in the past as if they are the same as now. For one the welfare state didn't exist when my great-grandfather immigrated. Here it didn't start until WW2. There were restriction based on race, nation and region as per the US systems from 1850 to 1960.

Take a look at Canada's immigration requirements now. No low class immigrants outside sponsorship. The reason for this is immigrants must benefit Canada not get benefits from Canada. It prevent immigration of people that would be a burden to Canada. Immigrants do not have access to a lot of social program for 5 years. Again this to prevent burdens to Canada.

It's all so sad to me. I always think of the Statue of Liberty.

 

[Shad]

It's all so sad to me. I always think of the Statue of Liberty.

Which is just a poem that never even matched reality when it was made.

 

[dybmh]

Just as I should not sterotype people, you may also not sterotype a majority of people in Abrahamic religions or even Hinduism as peaceful.

Please do not compare what I am saying to what you are saying.

You said Muslims are murders. All Muslims.

It is stereotyping and demonizing.

They [Muslims] would just murder the person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You said Muslims are murders. All Muslims.

They [Muslims] would just murder the person.

Yeah, the extremists will murder the person, the others will watch, and the police will ignore. It happens in the sub-continent, and recently among Hindus too. I am sad about that. The mugged and killed are Indian citizens too, even if Muslims. Some of them are involved in cow-slaughter in states where it is prohibited. The problem is that police will allow them to do that after being bribed. To explain what I have written:

The police allow transportation of cattle for slaughter after being bribed. The anti-cow-slaughter people (Hindus) will intercept the vehicle, mug or lunch the involved persons. The police will then sabotage the investigation (after taking bribes from the people who mugged or lynched). If you understand what I have written, the real culprits are the corrupt police, but that is what has been happening in India recently.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It's not clear at all. The word "words" isn't to be taken literally.

Does any muslim scholar agree with you? It's good to take a look at the trees once in a while.

The thing is who is going to give the right interpretation of the Quran but God Himself?

No human can say exactly and precisely which are which. Some symbolical interpretations are mixed with literal ones.

Are scholars qualified? Who says they are qualified? Self appointed clergy are not infallible. Only a Prophet of God can know the true meaning of the Quran fully.

The Quran 7:50 points out that one day its interpretation will come. That is, the appearance of another Messenger of God will appear with its authentic translation and that has happened.

7: 50 And now have we brought them the Book: with knowledge have we explained it; a guidance and a mercy to them that believe. What have they to wait for now but its interpretation? When its interpretation13 shall come, they who aforetime were oblivious of it shall say, ‘The Prophets of our Lord did indeed bring the truth; (Rodwell)

And Baha’u’llah, the Promised One, has fulfilled that promise.

No ordinary human or scholar is capable of unravelling the intricacies of the Quran. Over 1400 years of disunity and divisions with Islam prove very clearly that point.