Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you are right but that doesn't change the truth a bit that jesus is God in the flesh and that God resides in His children.
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The Holy Trinity and John 17:3
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I believe you are right but that doesn't change the truth a bit that jesus is God in the flesh and that God resides in His children.
He never be claim that he is God in flesh too .
Did Jesus (pbuh) claim that he is God in flesh (sometimes) ?
I believe there is big different between his teaching and teaching of Church .
his teaching : God is know/stronger than him , Jesus (pbuh) worship God
the Church : Jesus (pbuh) is God ,
Desert Snake
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Where did you come up with your theories? They aren't Scriptural.
i may discuss with Mr Muffled
something you disagree with him ?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe this statement has no factual basis.
I believe He did.
I believe He neveer even suggested that He was God only sometimes. I believe He was God all the time. Christians on the other hand are only God sometimes (like now).
I believe teachings vary in Christianity so you are apt to be right once in a while with particular groups and individuals.
I believe these teachings are not incompatible.
can you please support your "believes" by sources ?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the teachings flow from an incorrect interpretation of the Qu'ran and misinterpreting the Bible to support the false views of the Qu'ran.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.
I believe as a Muslim you should have a good idea of what "one" means. You would never say "one" God means two would you?
why Jesus (pbuh) after this verse did not said :I and Father are one , then worship me, or if you worship me you are worshiping God .
so that's definitely does not mean the deity , it's meant same message , same way .
so many 99% of verse of Bible deny deity of Jesus (pbuh) , you stuck in this one !!!
I'm following Christianity again, and in my opinion, Jesus didn't wish to be worshiped, but rather steer us to worship the Father. But, as a Christian, we are to follow Christ, take up our crosses and follow Him. I do believe in his Divine nature, though.
hello sister
so you consider him just Prophet, not God ?
Hello
More than a Prophet ...He is THE mediator between humans and God. THE path. This isn't to say I feel other paths cannot flow towards God. It isn't for me to judge others' paths. But, if we compare Jesus to Muhammad, I feel Muhammad was a prophet, a messenger from God, perhaps. But, Jesus was set apart as the Son of God, and Son of Man, to show both His Divine nature and human nature. There are passages in the Bible, that point to Jesus considering Himself one with God, and others, that seem to tell His followers that He didn't want to be considered 'on the same level' as God. So, it can be confusing if we only look at writings to help us out.
if you tell Jesus (pbuh) son of God , just become he comes without father , so Adam(pbuh) is suppose son of God too .Hello
More than a Prophet ...He is THE mediator between humans and God. THE path. This isn't to say I feel other paths cannot flow towards God. It isn't for me to judge others' paths. But, if we compare Jesus to Muhammad, I feel Muhammad was a prophet, a messenger from God, perhaps. But, Jesus was set apart as the Son of God, and Son of Man, to show both His Divine nature and human nature. There are passages in the Bible, that point to Jesus considering Himself one with God, and others, that seem to tell His followers that He didn't want to be considered 'on the same level' as God. So, it can be confusing if we only look at writings to help us out.
btw do you know that ALL prophets in Bible called sons of God ,why is Jesus (pbuh) is special one !!!
btw , if you really believe that Muhammad (pbuh) is Prophet and Messenger from God , so you are still Muslimah .
lol Maybe we are all one big happy family, dear man.
I'm
I have a question for you, Godobeyer, and it was something I wondered about when exploring Islam, but who are the 'infidels' to a Muslim? Like is it anyone who is not following Islam, or are they speaking of non believers in a more general sense? Or is it someone who was once a practicing Muslim, and now they have turned their backs on Islam?
Just curious.
there is different views on this :
for most of Scholars , infidels in general it's whole non-Muslims whom (knowed) then rejected God and His messengers and His books (including Prophet Muhammad and Quran) and His angels and destiny good and bad and afterlife (hell and heaven) ...etc
for very few Scholars it's mentioned strongely to polytheists .
the Christains and Jews are People of Book , so they suppose judged for their believe .
some said Christians and Jews are already Muslims , since they submission to God by their way .
some scholars deny it by said , God talked about ancient Jews and Christians , not nowday Christians and Jews .
God knows best
You welcome for any questions
No it's not. They are distinct in person but are one in being. Take note of John 1 the Word is identified with God. The gospel goes further and states explicitly the Word became flesh and dwelt among us John 1:14. Jesus is the Word and the Word is God. It can't get that much more explicit. You really have to be creative to deny the obvious implication of these passages. Which even today is denied by a few determined groups. It's by far the most persistent heresy.
Yeah, you misunderstand what the trinity doctrine actually states. The distinction between being and person is not mere systematics.
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Skwim
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Fine. Then give us definitions that distinguish the two. And, exactly what is the Word?
Unification
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In light of
John 17:3
And this is life eternal: that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.
it's evident that god and Jesus are distinct beings. God is not Jesus and Jesus is not god. And it's worth noting that none of the 50 Bible versions I looked at indicated this god being referred to is god the father, the first person of the trinity. All use the singular, "god," which doesn't square with the popular The Shield of the Trinity that's often used to illustrate the trinitarian relationship. So, as I see it, John 17:3 contradicts the God Is The Son relationship.
Anyone have a good explanation?
Three forms, not three "persons." Three forms residing in one person(the human being)
Consciousness, matter, and energy.
Or heaven(consciousness) matter(earth) and water(energy).
The Christ isn't a literal guy, but a substance within the human body composed of "blood." "God" in the flesh(mind), meaning "God" resides within ones physical human body(church) in the house/temple(mind). The tabernacle(brain) of "God"(consciousness)
But "God" is locked up within ones heart, and the latent potential needs released and resurrected within one through the complete surrender/sacrifice/death of ones ego/unconscious unaware/asleep carnal mind. "God" is not out there somewhere, but in there and only place to be found. When one fully knows and is aware/awake of themselves within, they know "God." Resurrected from the heart and up through the spine and into the brain/mind, unlocking the dormant neurons/glial cells in the East sphere.
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Skwim
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If you want to redefine the three individuals making up the trinity you'll have to take that up with the Christians. I'm just going by what they say.
HUH?????????