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The Homosexuals Of Alderaan Want Your Children

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
I've already expressed my belief that you've demonstrated a willingness to put your own sexual gratification over the need to promote stability in families through your polyamorous lifestyle. I believe you're totally unfit to judge what's in the best interest of families. I believe when one's primary goal is sexual gratification they'll ignore or twist any data available which demonstrates that their desires are incompatible with promoting a stable family.

You realize putting "I believe" before a personal attack doesn't make it not a personal attack, correct?

Additionally, how exactly do you explain the fact that my program's faculty doesn't have a problem with it? Or the accrediting organization? Do you think the entire American Counseling Association is biased because they prohibit counselors from sending gay clients to conversion therapy to "pray away the gay"?
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Then what was the point of posting this?

I wish their was a rule against passive/aggressive vindictiveness. :yes:


I was just goofing around and making light of the fact that I'm in the mods' doghouse. You might be reading too much into it with your psychological analysis.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
I've already expressed my belief that you've demonstrated a willingness to put your own sexual gratification over the need to promote stability in families through your polyamorous lifestyle. I believe you're totally unfit to judge what's in the best interest of families. I believe when one's primary goal is sexual gratification they'll ignore or twist any data available which demonstrates that their desires are incompatible with promoting a stable family.

I believe you are a truly twisted individual. Glad you don't get to decide how others live their lives.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
"A study in Adolescence found: A disproportionate percentage--29 percent--of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent...Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.60"



I worked for a nonprofit agency that dealt with kids at risk for almost 20 years. We were a training agency for places like Stanford University. I can tell you I have worked closely with 100s of mental Heath professionals none of them would think that your arguments carry any water.

To post this type of crap is something you should feel ashamed of. You are telling lies. You are posting untruths for other people to read. Nobody I mean Nobody of any importance thinks this stuff is true. This type of argument makes Christians look like fools. Christ deserves better then this. This argument makes Christians look like complete liars and bigots. Not only that but you are spreading disaffirmation that hurts children. Please stop it. This is not some kind of a game. Children are being hurt daily. This issue is two important for games.

This came from University of California Davis

The Mainstream View

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:
Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
In a more recent literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).

This well known lack of a linkage between homosexuality and child molestation accounts for why relatively little research has directly addressed the issue. Proving something we already know simply isn't a priority. Indeed, a commentary that accompanied publication of the 1994 study by Jenny et al. in Pediatrics noted that debates about gay people as molesters "have little to do with everyday child abuse" and lamented that they distract lawmakers and the public from dealing with the real problem of children's sexual mistreatment (Krugman, 1994).


Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
 
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Me Myself

Back to my username
I've already expressed my belief that you've demonstrated a willingness to put your own sexual gratification over the need to promote stability in families through your polyamorous lifestyle. I believe you're totally unfit to judge what's in the best interest of families. I believe when one's primary goal is sexual gratification they'll ignore or twist any data available which demonstrates that their desires are incompatible with promoting a stable family.

I agree absolutely with the bolded part.

The problem is that having sexuality as a primary goal has nothing to do with liking penises or vaginas when you have penis or vagina.

It has to do with puting sex first, as crazy as it sounds.

The problem is you have the unfounded belief that an homosexual only thinks about sex or something , idk what kind of caricature of a man might be in your head when you think on homosexuality. Homosexuality is just a part of the person, not the whole. It´s like saying that you liking the color blue means that the color blue is more important to you that the health of humanity.

Is just a predilection.

And your opinion is as valid as me saying that christians are unfit parents because some of them canot think for themselves , or cannot think on themselves n crucial social dillemas that affect us as a whole.

I am sure I could find studies for that. But the thing is that just because some christians are that way, doesn´t mean no christian can adopt.

Just because you wouldn´t like kids to be more accepted of different kind of people and forms of sexuality doesn´t mean it is a disease.

Getting kinda tired of this.

do you understand your source (and every other source that is into it) is completely unreliable and as such is worthless except for the people who already think that way or don´t know a thing about proper research, right?
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Glad you don't get to decide how others live their lives.

The sentence just before thaT one was kind of uncalled for.

I think we should stay out of the direct namecalling, as much as we may despise or reject the ideas displayed, let´s keep the person out of it.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal


Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

I don't even care to argue about the studies presented in this link exploring any possible connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. But I did find the excerpts reportedly found in these pro-gay sources interesting. From the link:




  • The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”
  • In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”
  • Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, “Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”: “In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.”
  • In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a “Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
  • Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Throw in the fact that NAMBLA has at times been endorsed by prominent leaders in the gay movement and there are some serious questions that should be raised.

From Wiki:

"In 1994 NAMBLA was expelled from the International Lesbian and Gay Association, having been the first US based organization to be a member"
 

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

I don't even care to argue about the studies presented in this link exploring any possible connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. But I did find the excerpts reportedly found in these pro-gay sources interesting. From the link:
The homepage of your link cites Obama eligibility challenges. Yes from Birther to anti-gay I'm sure this is a fine journalistic institution.



  • The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”
If by recent they mean 1990. You'll note that the word "pedophile" is the author's usage not the study's. Would be interesting to actually read to see what it says. Regardless the article says nothing about the average gay individual and pedophilia and I don't trust the characterization of the studies. (Also you went back to 2002 to find this? Got anything more recent from a less bigoted site)


  • In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”
And the article makes the assumption that this means they want to have sex with children, rather than simply speak to children. This is a common threat against gay people, they're not allowed to speak in schools because they're portrayed as predatory. That's why Dan Savage started the It Get's Better project, so gay teens can have role models that homophobes can't shut out.



  • Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, “Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”: “In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.”
The only citations I can find on this are rabid anti-gay sites. I did a search through the book on Google and cannot find any legitimate reference to this quote. Citation please.


In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a “Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
Citation needed.

Totally different than "BARELY LEGAL" or "TEEN" porn though I'm sure.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
"Girl prostitution" is also heavy there.

Throw in the fact that NAMBLA has at times been endorsed by prominent leaders in the gay movement and there are some serious questions that should be raised.
When and who?
Because this reads as fear mongering. "I'm not SAYING anything just that we should ask questions" is Glenn Beck style junk.


Fact remains that the vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual males. Said males would prefer to have an adult female partner by choice.
I worked in the sexual abuse victim and offender field, so again, I have experience here and am not making this up. I do not have to find a biased article to support what I say. Wannabe Yogi is far more experienced than I and you think this article discounts that experience?

Why not just say "because I say so" :ignore::ignore::ignore: because that's the effect of this.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
The homepage of your link cites Obama eligibility challenges. Yes from Birther to anti-gay I'm sure this is a fine journalistic institution.


If by recent they mean 1990. You'll note that the word "pedophile" is the author's usage not the study's. Would be interesting to actually read to see what it says. Regardless the article says nothing about the average gay individual and pedophilia and I don't trust the characterization of the studies. (Also you went back to 2002 to find this? Got anything more recent from a less bigoted site)

And the article makes the assumption that this means they want to have sex with children, rather than simply speak to children. This is a common threat against gay people, they're not allowed to speak in schools because they're portrayed as predatory. That's why Dan Savage started the It Get's Better project, so gay teens can have role models that homophobes can't shut out.


The only citations I can find on this are rabid anti-gay sites. I did a search through the book on Google and cannot find any legitimate reference to this quote. Citation please.



Citation needed.

Totally different than "BARELY LEGAL" or "TEEN" porn though I'm sure.
"Girl prostitution" is also heavy there.


When and who?
Because this reads as fear mongering. "I'm not SAYING anything just that we should ask questions" is Glenn Beck style junk.


Fact remains that the vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual males. Said males would prefer to have an adult female partner by choice.
I worked in the sexual abuse victim and offender field, so again, I have experience here and am not making this up. I do not have to find a biased article to support what I say. Wannabe Yogi is far more experienced than I and you think this article discounts that experience?

Why not just say "because I say so" :ignore::ignore::ignore: because that's the effect of this.


You left out the quote on NAMBLA from Wiki
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Yep. I did. You ignored everything else and probably won't respond to it either.

Keep on :ignore::ignore::ignore::ignore:

I don't blame you. It constitutes a scalding indictment. I think the fact they were a part of International Lesbian and Gay Association up until they received United Nations consulting status in 1993 at which point they were pressured to distance themselves from the distinguished North American Man Boy Love Association constitues and endorsment of gay leadership. Some "gal" named Pat Califia apparently endorsed them at one time until "she" finally saw the light. heheheh..I'm not surprised that you're having trouble finding the Kramer on pro-gay websites, assuming it's legit. I'd want to hide it too if I was a gay activist.
 

Antiochian

Rationalist
Is there really any more conversation to be had here? The same old lies and garbage just keep coming up. It's been my observation that getting people to part with their delusions is about as easy as talking a lion into giving up its bloody prey. It's sad. Life is too short to bicker about trifling stuff such as whether a dude likes dudes or ladies (or both!). And I want to reemphasize the damage that people do to the lives of LGBT people when they mindlessly parrot these messages of intolerance, and this outright misinformation. Christians believe in a judgment day, right?
 

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
I don't blame you. It constitutes a scalding indictment. I think the fact they were a part of International Lesbian and Gay Association up until they received United Nations consulting status in 1993 at which point they were pressured to distance themselves from the distinguished North American Man Boy Love Association constitues and endorsment of gay leadership. Some "gal" named Pat Califia apparently endorsed them at one time until "she" finally saw the light. heheheh..I'm not surprised that you're having trouble finding the Kramer on pro-gay websites, assuming it's legit. I'd want to hide it too if I was a gay activist.
This is just plain bigotry at this point.
This isn't faith based or fact based this is pure bigotry.

Is there really any more conversation to be had here? The same old lies and garbage just keep coming up. It's been my observation that getting people to part with their delusions is about as easy as talking a lion into giving up its bloody prey. It's sad. Life is too short to bicker about trifling stuff such as whether a dude likes dudes or ladies (or both!). And I want to reemphasize the damage that people do to the lives of LGBT people when they mindlessly parrot these messages of intolerance, and this outright misinformation. Christians believe in a judgment day, right?
Essentially. I'm done. And reporting all further posts as harassment. Because that's all these sort of lies are.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
You realize putting "I believe" before a personal attack doesn't make it not a personal attack, correct?

Additionally, how exactly do you explain the fact that my program's faculty doesn't have a problem with it? Or the accrediting organization? Do you think the entire American Counseling Association is biased because they prohibit counselors from sending gay clients to conversion therapy to "pray away the gay"?

Drolefille, give up. The person you are arguing with thinks that you are evil and routinely quotes biblical passages calling for your and my death. The only thing positive regarding this person I have to say is that at least he is an honest enough person to quote those parts of the bible (his ultimate source for his anti-lgbt hatred) that call for our deaths, instead of whitewashing his ultimate desire by only quoting Leviticus 18:22 as do most haters.

I would recommend using the handy ignore feature and feel less stress.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
I'll tell you what's laughable. If I was going around posting You Tube links of one man's testimony and using that as conclusive evidence why we should be against gay adoptions, you guys would have a field day mocking me.

It completely debunks the argument that gay/ lesbian parents can't raise children
 
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