The Homosexuals Of Alderaan Want Your Children

[Duck]

Assuming for the sake of the argument that the study is correct... I think its just natural to be more open minded when you have experienced that something different isnt inheritly bad. So maybe they try out to see if they like it, and maybe some of them do. In what way is that bad?

According to Jungle, it is bad because, well homosexuals and homosexuality is EVIL. Also because the bible says that gays should be put to death. Obviously if gays should be put to death, having kids be open minded either about being LGBT or accepting that LGBT is not necessarily something that people should be KILLED for is an issue.

 

[nnmartin]

So now you are the arbiter of who is and isn't a christian? Here I thought it was profession of belief in christ, and that was pretty much what mattered...apparently there is some super secret handshake or something.

No secret handshake just a belief in the Bible and the general Christian theology.

A question I asked on another thread and failed to get an adequate response to was this:

Considering that the Bible is clearly anti-homosexual why would a person of this orientation choose to be or remain a Christian?

Why not search for another God or religion?

 

[Drolefille]

If belief was so easily controlled anyone would be able to switch at any time. And I don't think it would be belief either.

 

[Meow Mix]

No secret handshake just a belief in the Bible and the general Christian theology.

A question I asked on another thread and failed to get an adequate response to was this:

Considering that the Bible is clearly anti-homosexual why would a person of this orientation choose to be or remain a Christian?

Why not search for another God or religion?

Nor was my question: for anyone who thinks the Bible is clearly bigoted, why wouldn't they search for another religion if they profess not to be bigoted?

 

[McBell]

Nor was my question: for anyone who thinks the Bible is clearly bigoted, why wouldn't they search for another religion if they profess not to be bigoted?

Some people think that bigotry is not bigotry if they attribute their bigotry to a deity.

I have even seen on this very forum a couple people claim that they are not the bigot, their god is and they are just doing what they are told.

 

[nnmartin]

Bigotry is purely a matter of opinion.

How can it be defined?

 

[nnmartin]

Message to nnmartin: Do you oppose homosexuality? If so, why?

I don't especially oppose it but I think discretion to be a good thing.

I do oppose same-sex marriage and adoption although I am not homophobic.

some people may think you cannot separate the two but they would be wrong.

for example , I have nothing against drug users but do not believe in legalisation.

 

[Meow Mix]

I have even seen on this very forum a couple people claim that they are not the bigot, their god is and they are just doing what they are told.

Why does that sound so familiar...

 

[Meow Mix]

Bigotry is purely a matter of opinion.

How can it be defined?

Do you believe that the God of the Bible commands or once commanded that people be murdered for having homosexual sex, yes or no?

Would you consider that bigoted or not, yes or no?

 

[9Westy9]

Bigotry is purely a matter of opinion.

:no:

How can it be defined?

From wikipedia

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious belief or spirituality, nationality, language, sexual orientation, and age; and to those from a different region, with non-normative gender identity, those who are homeless, and those with various medical disorders, particularly behavioural and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

From dictionary.com

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

 

[9Westy9]

I don't especially oppose it but I think discretion to be a good thing.

I do oppose same-sex marriage and adoption although I am not homophobic.

some people may think you cannot separate the two but they would be wrong.

for example , I have nothing against drug users but do not believe in legalisation.

The question now is, why? What good reason is there to oppose same sex marriage/ adoption?

 

[Revoltingest]

Quote:
A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious belief or spirituality, nationality, language, sexual orientation, and age; and to those from a different region, with non-normative gender identity, those who are homeless, and those with various medical disorders, particularly behavioural and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

I'm intolerant towards child abuse, theft, assault & few others but not most of those other thingies.
Moreover, I'm more intolerant than most Xians here are towards gay folk.
Does that make me a bigot?

 

[9Westy9]

I'm intolerant towards child abuse, theft, assault & few others but not most of those other thingies.
Moreover, I'm more intolerant than most Xians here are towards gay folk.
Does that make me a bigot?

According to wikipedia, yes . Although you could say that you're bigoted towards x, y and z rather than w, x, y and z

 

[Revoltingest]

According to wikipedia, yes . Although you could say that you're bigoted towards x, y and z rather than w, x, y and z

Woo hoo!
I have a characteristic!

 

[Meow Mix]

More seriously, I think the difference between a principle and bigotry is that bigotry causes harm to those who are not themselves causing harm

 

[9Westy9]

More seriously, I think the difference between a principle and bigotry is that bigotry causes harm to those who are not themselves causing harm

I like this definition better

 

[Revoltingest]

More seriously, I think the difference between a principle and bigotry is that bigotry causes harm to those who are not themselves causing harm

That seems reasonable.
But people differ on the definition of "harm".

 

[Meow Mix]

That seems reasonable.
But people differ on the definition of "harm".

Ok, then the best definition of all, is "Leave it to Meow Mix to decide. She is the high holy and exalted Empress, the mighty and worshipped." Now fall to your knees and forsake all before me.

 

[nnmartin]

Do you believe that the God of the Bible commands or once commanded that people be murdered for having homosexual sex, yes or no?

Would you consider that bigoted or not, yes or no?

I would consider it the Word of God.

 

[nnmartin]

More seriously, I think the difference between a principle and bigotry is that bigotry causes harm to those who are not themselves causing harm

That sounds like a made-up definition to me.

let's test it: do you oppose the possession of child pornography and how would that fit into your view of bigotry?