The Homosexuals Of Alderaan Want Your Children

[-Peacemaker-]

I guessed you probably couldn´t name one from memory, which generaly means you haven´t looked into it deep and just ate what he said, but it´s okay, I did the research for you :


Sources of your source:

"The Male Couple" : A book written in 1980 if you think that´s still relevant, you stopped mattering a feew decades ago(and by the gods don´t you tell me that not a lot changes in a few decades )

Male and Female Homosexuality: M. Saghir and E. Robins, (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973): As you see the year , this studdy is also very outdated.

Michael W. Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex: Prevalence and Correlates in a National Survey," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): Now, this study as you can see would be validate because of the year, but there is one little problem... the people interviewed were OLD. This means they don´t accurately protrait the current gay generation of 1997, if they were old, let´s say, 60, they would be 20, 30 years at 1957-67. So this study is practicaly as outdated as the last study.



So as you can see, the studies wich he dares name are higly untrustable, because around 1985 I am sure both I and you can agree that even HETEROSEXUAL couples of 20-30 years old had COMPLETELY different kind of sex lifes than people today at 20-30.

With no study of him being from this millenia, and the incredibly high changes that have come to be in all that is related to sexual libaration in this years, those dusty studies are worthless.

Can you understand?

What a surprise, he picks the outliers of the study to make his point, especially when you consider that the modal range of the studies is in the mid 1990s. This article was published in 2003 If I'm not mistaken and yes, there were some studies done within 3 years of the publishing date, meaning they were from this millenium. Man the 90s were like the stone age

 

[Me Myself]

What a surprise, he picks the outliers of the study to make his point, especially when you consider that the modal range of the studies is in the mid 1990s. This article was published in 2003 If I'm not mistaken and yes, there were some studies done within 3 years of the publishing date, meaning they were from this millenium. Man the 90s were like the stone age

By all means show them to me.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

By all means show them to me.

ENDNOTES
1 David Cramer, "Gay Parents and Their Children: A Review of Research and Practical Implications," Journal of Counseling and Development 64 (April 1986): 506. See also Frederick W. Bozett, "Gay Fathers: A Review of the Literature," in Homosexuality and the Family (New York: Harrington Park Press, 1989), p. 152. Bozett writes: "Most studies of gay fathers are based on nonrandom small sample sizes, with subjects who are Caucasian, middle- to upper-class, well educated with occupations commensurate with their education, who come mostly from urban centers, and who are relatively accepting of their homosexuality. There is severely limited knowledge of gay fathers who vary from these demographics. Moreover, the validity and reliability of the instruments used in the studies reported are not always addressed."
2 Louise B. Silverstein and Carl F. Auerbach, "Deconstructing the Essential Father," American Psychologist 54 (June 1999): 397--407.
3 Charlotte J. Patterson, "Lesbian and Gay Parenting," American Psychological Association Public Interest Directorate (1995): 8.
4 Ibid.
5 Ibid., p. 2.
6 P. A. Belcastro et al., "A Review of Data Based Studies Addressing the Affects of Homosexual Parenting on Children's Sexual and Social Functioning," Journal of Divorce and Remarriage 20 (1993): 105, 106.
7 L. Keopke et al., "Relationship Quality in a Sample of Lesbian Couples with Children and Child-free Lesbian Couples," Family Relations 41 (1992): 225.
8 J. Paul Guiliani and Dwight G. Duncan, "Brief of Amici Curiae Massachusetts Family Institute and National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality," Appeal to the Supreme Court of Vermont, Docket No. S1009-97CnC.
9 S. L. Huggins, "A Comparative Study of Self-esteem of Adolescent Children of Divorced Lesbian Mothers and Divorced Heterosexual Mothers," Journal of Homosexuality 18 (1989): 134.
10 J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 124.
11 Susan Golombok and Fiona L. Tasker, "Do Parents Influence the Sexual Orientation of Their Children? Findings from a Longitudinal Study of Lesbian Families," Developmental Psychology 32 (1996): 9.
12 F. Tasker and S. Golombok, "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian Families," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 213.
13 Ghazala A. Javaid, "The Children of Homosexual and Heterosexual Single Mothers," Child Psychiatry and Human Development 23 (1993): 245.
14 Jerry J. Bigner and R. Brooke Jacobson, "Adult Responses to Child Behavior and Attitudes Toward Fathering: Gay and Nongay Fathers," Journal of Homosexuality 23 (1992): 99--112.
15 Charlotte J. Patterson, "Families of the Lesbian Baby Boom: Parent's Division of Labor and Children's Adjustment," Development Psychology 31 (1995): 122.
16 Norman L. Wyers, "Homosexuality in the Family: Lesbian and Gay Spouses," Social Work 32 (1987): 144.
17 Richard Green et al., "Lesbian Mothers and Their Children: A Comparison with Solo Parent Heterosexual Mothers and Their Children," Archives of Sexual Behavior 15 (1986): 167--184.
18 Laura Lott-Whitehead and Carol T. Tully, "The Family Lives of Lesbian Mothers," Smith College Studies in Social Work 63 (1993): 265.
19 Wyers, "Homosexuality in the Family," p. 144.
20 Golombok et al., "Children in Lesbian and Single-parent Households: Psychosexual and Psychiatric Appraisal," Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 24 (1983): 569.
21 Mary B. Harris and Pauline H. Turner, "Gay and Lesbian Parents," Journal of Homosexuality 12 (1985): 104.
22 Ibid., p. 112.
23 Nanette Gartrell et al., "The National Lesbian Family Study: Interviews with Prospective Mothers," American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 66 (1996): 279.
24 Harris and Turner, "Gay and Lesbian Parents," p. 111, 112.
25 Silverstein and Auerbach, "Deconstructing the Essential Father," p. 400.
26 Ibid.
27 Justin Torres, "APA Fatherhood Report 'Utter Nonsense,'" Conservative News Service, July 16, 1999.
28 Robert Lerner and Althea K. Nagai, No Basis: What the Studies Don't Tell Us About Same Sex Parenting (Washington: Ethics and Public Policy Center, 2001): 6.
29 A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp.
308, 309; See also A. P. Bell, M. S. Weinberg, and S. K. Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).
30 Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.
31 "Sex Survey Results," Genre (October 1996), quoted in "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January 1998, p. 20.
32 M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985), pp. 40--61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 125.
33 David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 253.
34 M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L. A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, ed. J. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).
35 Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile," p. 354.
36 Robert T. Michael et al., Sex in America: A Definitive Survey (Boston: Little, Brown & Company, 1994).
37 Michael W. Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex: Prevalence and Correlates in a National Survey," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 170.
38 E. O. Laumann et al., The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994 ), p. 217.
39 M. Clements, "Sex in America Today: A New National Survey Reveals How our Attitudes are Changing," Parade, August 7, 1994, pp. 4--6.
40A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS (July 1993): 877--882.
41 G. J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991--1992," AIDS (July 1993): 863--869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994.
42 Bradley P. Hayton, "To Marry or Not: The Legalization of Marriage and Adoption of Homosexual Couples," (Newport Beach: The Pacific Policy Institute, 1993), p. 9.
43 Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469--492.
44 Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41--59.
45 D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
46 "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2.
47 Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

48 J. Bradford et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.
49 Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238--244.
50 R. Herrell et al., "A Co-twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867--874.
51 D. Fergusson et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999).
52 Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.
53 Obituaries, The Washington Blade, July 16, 1992.
54 A. M. Johnson et al., "Sexual Lifestyles and HIV Risk," Nature 360 (1992): 410--412; R. Turner, "Landmark French and British Studies Examine Sexual Behavior, including Multiple Partners, Homosexuality," Family Planning Perspectives 25 (1993): 91, 92.
55 F. Tasker and S. Golombok, "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian Families," p. 213.
56 ACSF Investigators, "AIDS and Sexual Behavior in France," Nature 360 (1992): 407--409; J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 124--129; J. O. G. Billy et al., "The Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States," Family Planning Perspectives 25 (1993): 52--60; A. M. Johnson et al., "Sexual Lifestyles and HIV Risk," Nature 360 (1992): 410--412.
57 J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," pp. 127, 128.
58 Tasker and Golombok, "Do Parents Influence the Sexual Orientation?" p. 7.
59 Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz, "(How) Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter," American Sociological Review 66 (2001): 174, 179.
60 P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772.
61 Paula Ettelbrick, quoted in William B. Rubenstein, "Since When Is Marriage a Path to Liberation?" Lesbians, Gay Men, and the Law, (New York: The New Press, 1993), pp. 398, 400.
62 Michelangelo Signorile, "Bridal Wave," Out, December 1994.
63 Michelangelo Signorile, Life Outside (New York: HarperCollins, 1997), p. 213.
64 Mary Mendola, The Mendola Report (New York: Crown, 1980), p. 53.
65 William Aaron, Straight (New York: Bantam Books, 1972), p. 208, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality, p. 125, quoted by Robert H. Knight in "How Domestic Partnerships and 'Gay Marriage' Threaten the Family," Family Research Council, Insight, June 1994, p. 9.
66 L. Koepke et al., "Relationship Quality in a Sample of Lesbian Couples with Children and Child-free Lesbian Couples," Family Relations 41 (1992): 228.
67 Bigner and Jacobson, "Adult Responses to Child Behavior and Attitudes Toward Fathering," pp. 174, 175.
68 See the following: Sara McLanahan and Gary Sandfeur, Growing Up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994), p. 45; Pat Fagan, "How Broken Families Rob Children of Their Chances for Prosperity," Heritage Foundation Backgrounder No. 1283, June 11, 1999, p. 13; Dawn Upchurch et al., "Gender and Ethnic Differences in the Timing of First Sexual Intercourse," Family Planning Perspectives 30 (1998): 121--127; Jeanne M. Hilton and Esther L. Devall, "Comparison of Parenting and Children's Behavior in Single-Mother, Single-Father, and Intact Families," Journal of Divorce and Remarriage 29 (1998): 23--54; Jane Mauldon, "The Effect of Marital Disruption on Children's Health," Demography 27 (1990): 431--446; Frank Furstenberg, Jr., and Julien Teitler, "Reconsidering the Effects of Marital Disruption: What Happens to Children of Divorce in Early Adulthood?" Journal of Family Issues 15 (June 1994); Elizabeth Thomson et al., "Family Structure and Child Well-Being: Economic Resources vs. Parental Behaviors," Social Forces 73 (1994): 221--42.
69 David Blankenhorn, Fatherless America (New York: Basic Books, 1995), p. 219.
70 David Popenoe, Life Without Father (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1996), pp. 144, 146.
71 Pitirim Sorokin, The American Sex Revolution (Boston: Porter Sargent Publishers, 1956), pp. 6, 77--105.
72 John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation, Familiaris Consortio, December 15, 1981, Section 42. Quoted by Robert H. Knight in "Gay 'Marriage': Hawaii's Assault on Matrimony," Family Policy, February1996, p. 5.

 

[Me Myself]

ENDNOTES
1 David Cramer, "Gay Parents and Their Children: A Review of Research and Practical Implications," Journal of Counseling and Development 64 (April 1986): 506. See also Frederick W. Bozett, "Gay Fathers: A Review of the Literature," in Homosexuality and the Family (New York: Harrington Park Press, 1989), p. 152. Bozett writes: "Most studies of gay fathers are based on nonrandom small sample sizes, with subjects who are Caucasian, middle- to upper-class, well educated with occupations commensurate with their education, who come mostly from urban centers, and who are relatively accepting of their homosexuality. There is severely limited knowledge of gay fathers who vary from these demographics. Moreover, the validity and reliability of the instruments used in the studies reported are not always addressed."
2 Louise B. Silverstein and Carl F. Auerbach, "Deconstructing the Essential Father," American Psychologist 54 (June 1999): 397--407.
3 Charlotte J. Patterson, "Lesbian and Gay Parenting," American Psychological Association Public Interest Directorate (1995): 8.
4 Ibid.
5 Ibid., p. 2.
6 P. A. Belcastro et al., "A Review of Data Based Studies Addressing the Affects of Homosexual Parenting on Children's Sexual and Social Functioning," Journal of Divorce and Remarriage 20 (1993): 105, 106.
7 L. Keopke et al., "Relationship Quality in a Sample of Lesbian Couples with Children and Child-free Lesbian Couples," Family Relations 41 (1992): 225.
8 J. Paul Guiliani and Dwight G. Duncan, "Brief of Amici Curiae Massachusetts Family Institute and National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality," Appeal to the Supreme Court of Vermont, Docket No. S1009-97CnC.
9 S. L. Huggins, "A Comparative Study of Self-esteem of Adolescent Children of Divorced Lesbian Mothers and Divorced Heterosexual Mothers," Journal of Homosexuality 18 (1989): 134.
10 J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 124.
11 Susan Golombok and Fiona L. Tasker, "Do Parents Influence the Sexual Orientation of Their Children? Findings from a Longitudinal Study of Lesbian Families," Developmental Psychology 32 (1996): 9.
12 F. Tasker and S. Golombok, "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian Families," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 213.
13 Ghazala A. Javaid, "The Children of Homosexual and Heterosexual Single Mothers," Child Psychiatry and Human Development 23 (1993): 245.
14 Jerry J. Bigner and R. Brooke Jacobson, "Adult Responses to Child Behavior and Attitudes Toward Fathering: Gay and Nongay Fathers," Journal of Homosexuality 23 (1992): 99--112.
15 Charlotte J. Patterson, "Families of the Lesbian Baby Boom: Parent's Division of Labor and Children's Adjustment," Development Psychology 31 (1995): 122.
16 Norman L. Wyers, "Homosexuality in the Family: Lesbian and Gay Spouses," Social Work 32 (1987): 144.
17 Richard Green et al., "Lesbian Mothers and Their Children: A Comparison with Solo Parent Heterosexual Mothers and Their Children," Archives of Sexual Behavior 15 (1986): 167--184.
18 Laura Lott-Whitehead and Carol T. Tully, "The Family Lives of Lesbian Mothers," Smith College Studies in Social Work 63 (1993): 265.
19 Wyers, "Homosexuality in the Family," p. 144.
20 Golombok et al., "Children in Lesbian and Single-parent Households: Psychosexual and Psychiatric Appraisal," Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 24 (1983): 569.
21 Mary B. Harris and Pauline H. Turner, "Gay and Lesbian Parents," Journal of Homosexuality 12 (1985): 104.
22 Ibid., p. 112.
23 Nanette Gartrell et al., "The National Lesbian Family Study: Interviews with Prospective Mothers," American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 66 (1996): 279.
24 Harris and Turner, "Gay and Lesbian Parents," p. 111, 112.
25 Silverstein and Auerbach, "Deconstructing the Essential Father," p. 400.
26 Ibid.
27 Justin Torres, "APA Fatherhood Report 'Utter Nonsense,'" Conservative News Service, July 16, 1999.
28 Robert Lerner and Althea K. Nagai, No Basis: What the Studies Don't Tell Us About Same Sex Parenting (Washington: Ethics and Public Policy Center, 2001): 6.
29 A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp.
308, 309; See also A. P. Bell, M. S. Weinberg, and S. K. Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).
30 Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.
31 "Sex Survey Results," Genre (October 1996), quoted in "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January 1998, p. 20.
32 M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985), pp. 40--61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 125.
33 David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 253.
34 M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L. A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, ed. J. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).
35 Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile," p. 354.
36 Robert T. Michael et al., Sex in America: A Definitive Survey (Boston: Little, Brown & Company, 1994).
37 Michael W. Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex: Prevalence and Correlates in a National Survey," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 170.
38 E. O. Laumann et al., The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994 ), p. 217.
39 M. Clements, "Sex in America Today: A New National Survey Reveals How our Attitudes are Changing," Parade, August 7, 1994, pp. 4--6.
40A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS (July 1993): 877--882.
41 G. J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991--1992," AIDS (July 1993): 863--869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994.
42 Bradley P. Hayton, "To Marry or Not: The Legalization of Marriage and Adoption of Homosexual Couples," (Newport Beach: The Pacific Policy Institute, 1993), p. 9.
43 Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469--492.
44 Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41--59.
45 D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
46 "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2.
47 Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.

Unless you don´t tell specifically in what way each of the relevantly dated studies influenced what he said, it doesn´t matter.

Example of a source that may be reliable:

x source from 1990 or more recent did a survey of y quantity of homosexual men in this places about this ages and found out this porcentages. This study in the same time and places asked the same to heterosexuals of the same age and found this z thing

If you use all those sources mixing up whatever you want with whatever you want however you want, I can put up a pretty "convincing" case for heterosexuality causing children to die at 3 or some othe stupid thing.

 

[Me Myself]

And I wouldn´t be surprised most of the 1990s and up notes have to do with what he presented of the heterosexual coules instead of the homosexual ones instead.

I will do a through comparison tomorrow probably. For tonight Iam out, it is incredibly late xD (or shall I say earlY? )

 

[-Peacemaker-]

And I wouldn´t be surprised most of the 1990s and up notes have to do with what he presented of the heterosexual coules instead of the homosexual ones instead.

I will do a through comparison tomorrow probably. For tonight Iam out, it is incredibly late xD (or shall I say earlY? )

buenas noches amigo. Estoy cansado tambien. Hasta manana

 

[9Westy9]

Contrary to Obama indoctrination, this nation is Christian, and one day we'll be forced to restore this country's moral traditions.

And the constitution is meant to keep religious views out of politics.

 

[9Westy9]

They bring it upon themselves by trying to protect something that is not theirs to protect and in doing so enforce their morals on others.

:clap

 

[9Westy9]

I think more telling are the studies that show what happens to children when either the male or female component is missing. That, along with the acknowledgement that men and women are wired differently really should be enough of an argument. Sorry, some sappy song that the kid probably didn't even write himself doesn't constitute sufficient data.

I see you chose to ignore this video then.

[youtube]01DcBxsOyIw[/youtube]
Zach Wahls Speaks About Family - YouTube

When you actually have a good argument as to why homosexuals shouldn't be able to marry, we'll talk

 

[nnmartin]

What is it with this video?

It seems to be posted continuously in defence of same-sex marriage.

Now what is so special about this character Zach Wahls - I mean even if he is the best speaker or has had the most amazing experience in the world it is still only him and his one person opinion.

what gives here?

 

[McBell]

What is it with this video?

It seems to be posted continuously in defence of same-sex marriage.

Now what is so special about this character Zach Wahls - I mean even if he is the best speaker or has had the most amazing experience in the world it is still only him and his one person opinion.

what gives here?

Thank you for thoroughly demonstrating that those who claim the moral high ground are merely talking out their arse.

 

[nnmartin]

well what is the big deal with this video?

I've read the transcript of it and as far as I remember it was no revelation or anything - just standard news.

Care to explain your 'moral high ground' statement?

update: now I've just watched it.

What does this video prove?

like I said, it's just one person's opinion so why is it doled out as some kind of a trump card here?

 

[Kerr]

well what is the big deal with this video?

I've read the transcript of it and as far as I remember it was no revelation or anything - just standard news.

Care to explain your 'moral high ground' statement?

update: now I've just watched it.

What does this video prove?

like I said, it's just one person's opinion so why is it doled out as some kind of a trump card here?

Its one persons experience, not just opinion, and that experience basically says that children are not harmed because their parents are homosexual.

 

[9Westy9]

Its one persons experience, not just opinion, and that experience basically says that children are not harmed because their parents are homosexual.

We have a winner

 

[McBell]

I think more telling are the studies that show what happens to children when either the male or female component is missing. That, along with the acknowledgement that men and women are wired differently really should be enough of an argument. Sorry, some sappy song that the kid probably didn't even write himself doesn't constitute sufficient data.

We have seen what you think constitutes "sufficient" data.
And we have found it to be self serving and lacking.

 

[Me Myself]

What a surprise, he picks the outliers of the study to make his point, especially when you consider that the modal range of the studies is in the mid 1990s. This article was published in 2003 If I'm not mistaken and yes, there were some studies done within 3 years of the publishing date, meaning they were from this millenium. Man the 90s were like the stone age

Re-read the text and compared to the bibliography, and all the parts where he talk about homosexual customs are the ones that don´t reach 1990´s customs.

The parts that are from year 2000 and onward are not for the homosexual studies but for heterosexuals and others. So yeah, the data to discredit homosexual couples as parents doesn´t work.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Re-read the text and compared to the bibliography, and all the parts where he talk about homosexual customs are the ones that don´t reach 1990´s customs.

The parts that are from year 2000 and onward are not for the homosexual studies but for heterosexuals and others. So yeah, the data to discredit homosexual couples as parents doesn´t work.

10 J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 124

59 Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz, "(How) Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter," American Sociological Review 66 (2001): 174, 179.

43 Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469--492.

28 Robert Lerner and Althea K. Nagai, No Basis: What the Studies Don't Tell Us About Same Sex Parenting (Washington: Ethics and Public Policy Center, 2001):

27 Justin Torres, "APA Fatherhood Report 'Utter Nonsense,'" Conservative News Service, July 16, 1999

10 J. M. Bailey et al., "Sexual Orientation of Adult Sons of Gay Fathers," Developmental Psychology 31 (1995): 124

31 "Sex Survey Results," Genre (October 1996), quoted in "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January 1998, p.

These examples are just the tip of the ice berg. I'm a little diappointed you put so little effort to learn what you were talking about before making the bolded statement

 

[McBell]

I'm a little diappointed you put so little effort to learn what you were talking about before making the bolded statement

Now you have a small inkling of our pain....

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Star Wars is pretty gay anyway.