The Inexplicable Success of Capitalist Indoctrination

[Revoltingest]

What if we collectively judge that the way this money was acquired was not just in the first place?

Go to court to make your case.
This is better than the policy Joe Biden created,
which allows cops to seize your cash if you
have a large amount. They needn't suspect
you of having ill gotten gains. That you
have the money is enuf reason to seize it.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Different societies have different opinions about how much money to take away is just. But they all agree that it is just and necessary to take away money from those who have it. It's called taxation, and very few can do without it.

Not what I am talking about. I have agreed that taxation is needed. But taxation needs to be fair and just. In the US it is. I gave the statistics on how much the rich pay, they are paying their fair share and more. This is what I am talking about.

 

[Koldo]

Go to court to make your case.
This is better than the policy Joe Biden created,
which allows cops to seize your cash if you
have a large amount. They needn't suspect
you of having ill gotten gains. That you
have the money is enuf reason to seize it.

I didn't mention anything about money being acquired illegally though. I was talking about it being acquired in an unjust manner, as per the determination of a collective majority.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What if we collectively judge that the way this money was acquired was not just in the first place?

No, you need to justify that it was ill gained, not just peoples opinions. What laws were broken?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You too….

I believe the facts presented from the IRS, you just dismissed them as somehow false with nothing to back your claim up.

 

[Koldo]

No, you need to justify that it was ill gained, not just peoples opinions. What laws were broken?

We are talking about making changes to the law. Why would I need to specify what laws were broken?

 

[Koldo]

Not what I am talking about. I have agreed that taxation is needed. But taxation needs to be fair and just. In the US it is. I gave the statistics on how much the rich pay, they are paying their fair share and more. This is what I am talking about.

How have you reached the conclusion for what constitutes a fair share as far as paying taxes goes? That's pretty much the source of disagreement here. We will have different standards.

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't mention anything about money being acquired illegally though. I was talking about it being acquired in an unjust manner, as per the determination of a collective majority.

"Unjust" should be based upon law,
& applied with due process.....not by
the whims of envious masses.

 

[Firenze]

I believe the facts presented from the IRS, you just dismissed them as somehow false with nothing to back your claim up.

My claim is backed up by those in the top 10% who constantly brag about the fact that they pay no taxes. Remember Trump bragging in a national debate that only stupid people pay taxes?

 

[Revoltingest]

My claim is backed up by those in the top 10% who constantly brag about the fact that they pay no taxes. Remember Trump bragging in a national debate that only stupid people pay taxes?

That sounds like it's backed up by an impression.
Have any cromulent statistics on taxes they actually pay?

 

[Koldo]

"Unjust" should be based upon law,
& applied with due process.....not by
the whims of envious masses.

What exactly do you mean by that?
I can interpret it in multiple different ways. Perhaps you mean that morality should based upon the legal code, but I don't think you mean this. Or do you? Perhaps you mean that nobody should feel entitled to take matters in their own hands to redistribute wealth. A position that in general I would agree, as long as there is a political path to make that possible democratically.

 

[PureX]

Not what I am talking about. I have agreed that taxation is needed. But taxation needs to be fair and just. In the US it is. I gave the statistics on how much the rich pay, they are paying their fair share and more. This is what I am talking about.

Then why are school teachers, secretaries, cops and everyone else working hard every day to keep society running paying a greater percentage of their income in taxes than billionaires like Warren Buffet? How do you imaging this to be fair? Especially when the school teacher's total income is a matter of econmic survival, and Warren Buffet's income is many, many thousands of times beyond the level needed for him to survive in this culture, Your idea of fairness is mind-boggling to me.

 

[Firenze]

That sounds like it's backed up by an impression.
Have any cromulent statistics on taxes they actually pay?

We know what they pay. We don’t know how successful their attorneys were in cooking the AGI they pay on.

 

[Revoltingest]

We know what they pay.

How much?
Some research would be more useful than rumor.

 

[Firenze]

How much?
Some research would be more useful than rumor.

That data has already been posted in this thread.

 

[Revoltingest]

That data has already been posted in this thread.

Which post?

 

[Firenze]

Which post?

Couldn’t tell you. I’m at work and going into a meeting. It was earlier this morning I think.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

We are talking about making changes to the law. Why would I need to specify what laws were broken?

Then I don't advocate for changing the laws at least in the US. The rich pay a significant amount here.

 

[Yerda]

Why is that? How have the ultrarich managed to convince the majority that they and their wealth are untouchable?

Some will never need convincing. A fair chunk of society will always accept the propaganda coming from the most powerful people - that is just how some people are.

The rest of us are too distracted, politically splintered or just indifferent.

This is my guess.

 

[PureX]

There really is a whole lot of very twisted thinking going on in this thread. It's fascinating and frightening all at the same time. It clearly deserves to be in the "psycho-section".