The Islamization of the free world

[Alla Prima]

Not in the mood for playing silly buggers today. Sorry. The man's islamophobia and hatred is evidenced in what you posted. It's disgusting.

How is he islamophobic? His concerns don't appear irrational to me.

 

[Alla Prima]

Is there something wrong with that?

I don't really see what the guy is getting at by the fact that Europe will be 25% Muslim... Is it meant to imply that 25% of Europe will be a threat to Jews or that 25% of Europe will be full of potential terrorists? So what if Islam becomes the predominant religion of Europe? Christianity is the predominant religion of America. Catholicism WAS the predominant religion of Europe.

If there really is injustice due to Muslim expansion, then it is the responsibility of EUROPE to deal with it and the European people. Fear-mongering won't solve anything... it will only likely INCREASE injustice. Nothing good can come from treating the Muslim people as a sole entity. Once the individual disappears, so does God, in my opinion. And God would certainly NOT approve of a "war on Islam".

There is only one Islam and I'm not concerned with what any god would think. Have a look at this:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States). France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons). Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.. Slavery, Terrorism and Islam Slavery, Terrorism and Islam

 

[Alla Prima]

Wow, great news!!!


I can't see this as a bad thing, lol!!

Of course you don't. You're Muslim.

 

[Sahar]

Of course you don't. You're Muslim.

He he he

 

[Alla Prima]

If 25% of Europeans were to be Christian mystics, Jewish, Buddhist, Wiccans or whatever 12 years from now I could not see it as a bad thing either.
In relation to Islam I believe it to be a beautiful religion of peace. I welcome it. Diversity and new ideas/people/religion in Europe is a good thing. There is NO Islamic bogeyman out there.

Almost all the terrorist activity over the past years has been committed by Muslims. Islam's goal is to dominate all religions peacefully if possible by sword if necessary. Look at history. Islam's idea of peace will arise when all is Dar-el-Islam. House of Islam. When all the world is either converted to Islam or subjugated to Islam. Hardly a 'religion of peace'.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Almost all the terrorist activity over the past years has been committed by Muslims. And what does that mean?

You do realize that Islam has been there for over 1400 years, right?
And the other part of the post is not true..

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States). France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons). Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

What the heck are you saying?!:areyoucra

 

[Alla Prima]

You do realize that Islam has been there for over 1400 years, right?
And the other part of the post is not true..

First of all I would thank you not to put words into my quotes. Secondly yes I know the age of Islam. What's your point? People have been smoking tobacco for 5000 years. Doesn't make it healthy does it.

Finally what part of what post isn't true?

 

[Alla Prima]

What the heck are you saying?!:areyoucra

What's it look like the article is saying?

 

[Sahar]

First of all I would thank you not to put words into my quotes. Secondly yes I know the age of Islam. What's your point? People have been smoking tobacco for 5000 years. Doesn't make it healthy does it.

Finally what part of what post isn't true?

I don't think you are looking for a serious discussion or debate here.

 

[Alla Prima]

I don't think you are looking for a serious discussion or debate here.

Sure I am but I'm not getting one so far - least of all from you.

He he he

 

[EiNsTeiN]

First of all I would thank you not to put words into my quotes.

Alright, I won't do that.

You said:

Almost all the terrorist activity over the past years has been committed by Muslims

Islam has been there for 1400 years (and more), which makes those "past years" negligable, and for sure doesnt prove your hypothesis.

What's it look like the article is saying?

The article doesnt say anything...Thats the problem

 

[Elessar]

There is only one Islam and I'm not concerned with what any god would think. Have a look at this:

Many of those are incorrect - for example, 2.1% of Americans are Muslims, not 1.0%, slightly fewer than America's 2.2% of Jews. Islam does spread in our prison system, and it is found in all of our cities - I have known many Muslims, had Muslim teachers, fellow Muslim students, and so on. These Muslims, like with any other faith, range from extremely devout to somewhat so. They branch out, including both Sunnis and Shi'ites, and Sufis and the (heretical to mainstream) Nation of Islam.

With the possible exception of NoIs, I have never, personally, met a Muslim who was not decent overall, even from the very devout. For one example, a friend of mine in High School, who I will call "Aliyah" (not her real name) to protect her privacy, is of Pakistani origin, she is a Sunni and voluntarily wears the headscarf and wears clothes which cover almost her entire body, all the time. She quotes from the Qur'an often, also, and speaks fluent Arabic, in addition to her native Urdu and near-perfect English. She has always been a good friend, and a tolerant, loving person in general. Politically, she is liberal in almost every way, especially in the realm of absolute freedom of speech. Heck, she came in second place for "Best class-member to be President of the United States". I voted for her, in fact, for that, and previously for class president (she lost).

Also, I never met a person with a fouler view of Islamist terrorism than Aliyah. She routinely condemned Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda in her regular rants about various topics. She never ceases in her criticism of the oppression of women in her native Pakistan and across the Muslim world. She strongly supports the existence of a Jewish state in Israel and, after some work, was convinced Jerusalem could remain fully in Israeli hands (though, she never approved of anti-Palestinian attacks, was and is antioccupation, and was virulently against this recent Gaza War).

She is, critically, an American in every sense. She is a loyal American, proudly says the pledge of allegiance and can sing the Star Spangled Banner from memory. She had, at least in High School, a pin on her bookbag with the flag of the United States, and, on flag day and certain other occasions, actually had a headscarf with a red, white and blue motif. She hated Bush, and was a strong supporter of Barack Obama from 2007. She freely engaged in the giving and receiving of gifts during Christmastide (as Jews in America have done for centuries), and had many, diverse friends, Muslim and non-Muslim.

But she is a faithful Muslim - she keeps one of the strictest forms of halal, she, as stated previously, covers her entire body except her face and hands, she prays five times daily, and so on.

I don't see Islam and Western, or at least, American, values clashing, and that the entire illusion of the Islamic World vs. Western World values is invented by power-hungry bigots on both sides.

EDIT: I will also note - to my knowledge, there has never been a terrorist attack by American-born mainstream Muslims.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I don't see Islam and Western, or at least, American, values clashing, and that the entire illusion of the Islamic World vs. Western World values is invented by power-hungry bigots on both sides.

I agree.
Even if cultural differences exist, that's very normal, and diversity is something approved by Islam.
My father's aunt is living in USA for over 40 years, and they are a typical american family, though nothing in their acts contradicts any Islamic behavior.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I'll start with Geert Wilders' speech from the Four Seasons restaurant on September 25, 2008 (in 3 parts). It's a long one but worth the read. A Dutch court has just ordered prosecutors to put Wilders on trial for making anti-Islamic statements. BBC NEWS | Europe | Islam film Dutch MP to be charged This is one of the consequences of the Islamization of Europe. The loss of free speech. The often heard cries of 'insult' by Muslims are used as a weapon to silence free speech - and it's working. Islam is not compatible with our Liberal Democratic societies. If we cannot criticize Islam then Islam has beaten us.

Whom do you mean by "our", "we" and "us"?

I will give you an example. In RF we have a big team to moderate certain posts. Do you think this limits your freedom of speech?

 

[Alla Prima]

Alright, I won't do that.

You said:

Islam has been there for 1400 years (and more), which makes those "past years" negligable, and for sure doesnt prove your hypothesis.

I was responding to the comment of Islam being the religion of peace. Considering Muslim terrorism over the past several years Islam hardly appears to be the religion of peace it claims to be.

The article doesnt say anything...Thats the problem
It just says that muslims love blood, which doesnt make any sense:

It doesn't make any sense if that's all you read. What it does is outline the progression of Muslim influence on host countries in varying degrees.

 

[ranjana]

I am just curious about the experience of the person that made the OP: do you live near these so-called ghettos, do you see the violence and intimidation coming from Muslims in your life? Or are you riding someone's wave of inflated hysteria? Even just looking at this forum, almost every Muslim here is a kind, intelligent and respectful person.

I'm sure anti-semitic speeches sounded similar to the one you posted. Just switched the scapegoat.

 

[Sahar]

Sure I am but I'm not getting one so far - least of all from you.

Quoting a guy who portrays Muslims in Europe as violent gangs who are controlled by fanatics and who are somehow free to commit crimes and violence to the natives and scare them hey "the farm can no longer be mentioned" and "gays are beaten up exclusively by Muslims"...is not a sign of a serious debate.

 

[Alla Prima]

Whom do you mean by "our", "we" and "us"?

Where applicable. For instance 'we' refers to those of us who would criticize an ideology.

I will give you an example. In RF we have a big team to moderate certain posts. Do you think this limits your freedom of speech?

This forum is not a democracy.

 

[Alla Prima]

I am just curious about the experience of the person that made the OP: do you live near these so-called ghettos, do you see the violence and intimidation coming from Muslims in your life? Or are you riding someone's wave of inflated hysteria? Even just looking at this forum, almost every Muslim here is a kind, intelligent and respectful person.

I'm sure anti-armutiv speeches sounded similar to the one you posted. Just switched the scapegoat.

It's always curious to me why voicings of concerns regarding Islamic expansion are viewed as 'hysteria' rather than a legitimate concerns.

On occassion I send money to people who are suffering around the world. I don't need to meet them to know they are suffering.