The Islamization of the free world

[EiNsTeiN]

It's really a shame that so many Nationalist groups are so painfully Christian.

Dude, you are just making it worse...Please stop it!
Just declare your bottom line.

 

[Alla Prima]

You are just repeating what you already said, and I won't repeat my answer again!
Islam has been there for 1400 years...Islamic terrorism has been there for few decades, what does this show you???

It shows me Islam is on the rise.

So what?...is that influence illegal?
I know Indonesia became a muslim country under the influence of the ethical values of muslim traders..Was that illegal?

Islam will erode that which we of the secular world hold sacred. Freedom.

What do you mean?

We do not enjoy the freedom of speech here in these kinds of forums as we would in the media for instance of free societies such as the United States.

How did you get to that conclusion?..Islam is a religion engaged by a larg group of people, and it's possible for racism to exist when criticizing their beliefs.

No not possible. Islam is made up of all kinds of races not just Arabs. Didn't you know that?

 

[Sahar]

It's really a shame that so many Nationalist groups are so painfully Christian.


Mutual understanding? While I disagree with you and will fight for my homeland, I very much wish you the best of luck in yours. Maybe some time we can meet somewhere in the middle for some pizza or something, but really we'll probably thrive best with ourselves. Understood?

God be with you!!

 

[Alla Prima]

So, what do you suggest?...Eliminate muslims?

Of course not. I'm working to lessen suffering not increase it.

What we need to do is understand Islam. At present most of us don't. Not even our leaders. Education is key to changing our misguided multiculturalist approach to how we deal with Islam. Europe has been a miserable failure in this which is why they are having so many problems now. The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

 

[Sahar]

Of course not. I'm working to lessen suffering not increase it.

What we need to do is understand Islam. At present most of us don't. Not even our leaders. Education is key to changing our misguided multiculturalist approach to how we deal with Islam. Europe has been a miserable failure in this which is why they are having so many problems now. The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

ok fine, what's the following step?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

It shows me Islam is on the rise.

Alright, good you knew that!...Which also means that the original version of islam is different..

Islam will erode that which we of the secular world hold sacred. Freedom.

So, Indonesia has no freedom? My example of Indonesia made it clear that those people chose to embrass Islam.

We do not enjoy the freedom of speech here in these kinds of forums as we would in the media for instance of free societies such as the United States

Why dont we enjoy the freedom of speech here? I still can't understand your point.

No not possible. Islam is made up of all kinds of races not just Arabs. Didn't you know that?

I didnt say Arabs btw.

 

[Sunstone]

Europe has been a miserable failure in this which is why they are having so many problems now. The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

It seems to work in the US. Don't know about Europe though.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

Well, why don't u rephrase that into "The first thing we should know is that some muslims are not compatible with free societies"?

 

[Elessar]

I wonder if we must wait until there is such an attack before we begin thinking on the possibility.

If you would actually read the article you post, it actually states that there is a significant threat of homegrown terrorism but it does not necessarily come from the Islamic community. Several of the people in the article quote inapplicable examples from Spain and the United Kingdom. You may ask, why are these examples inapplicable? Well, for starters:

1. The United States has absolute separation of Church and State, clearly established in law for over two centuries. The United Kingdom has established Christianity in two of its constituent countries, England and Northern Ireland. Spain only recently ended its state-church relationship in the last few decades, and, yea, only legalized Islam in the 1980s.

2. The United States, unlike Spain and the United Kingdom, has no history of opposing Islam. The United Kingdom, through its English crusaders, fought Islam a thousand years ago actively and openly, and still hails these anti-Islamic warriors as heroes. The U.K., also, has a history of occupying and colonizing Islamic countries, and attempting to force a British worldview upon these countries, leading to propaganda in the United Kingdom of the "backwardness" of Islamic culture and religion, and an Islamic view of the U.K. as an active oppressor of Muslims (whether or not this is actually the case in the present). Spain was established on the corpse of the the Sultanate, crushing and utterly destroying Islam (and Judaism, for that matter) in their state, and still hail to this as the beginning of their golden age.

3. The United States is a far more integrated culture than any European country. The U.S. is the integration of many European traditions, but also integrates cultures which are very alien to this European tradition. For example: there is no history of state-sponsored antisemitism in the United States, nor of oppression or suppression of the Jewish People, unlike Europe where state-sponsored antisemitism was endemic in every part of the continent. This is part of a greater history, in Europe, of suppressing those elements different from everybody else in the state, including, for example, a series of "heresies" within Christianity, a history totally alien to the United States.

 

[.lava]

The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

Murder Victims, by Age, Sex, and Race statistics - USA Census numbers

Forcible Rape -- Number and Rate statistics - USA Census numbers

Crime in America

is this natural price to pay for free society?

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[England my lionheart]

If you would actually read the article you post, it actually states that there is a significant threat of homegrown terrorism but it does not necessarily come from the Islamic community. Several of the people in the article quote inapplicable examples from Spain and the United Kingdom. You may ask, why are these examples inapplicable? Well, for starters:

1. The United States has absolute separation of Church and State, clearly established in law for over two centuries. The United Kingdom has established Christianity in two of its constituent countries, England and Northern Ireland. Spain only recently ended its state-church relationship in the last few decades, and, yea, only legalized Islam in the 1980s.

2. The United States, unlike Spain and the United Kingdom, has no history of opposing Islam. The United Kingdom, through its English crusaders, fought Islam a thousand years ago actively and openly, and still hails these anti-Islamic warriors as heroes. The U.K., also, has a history of occupying and colonizing Islamic countries, and attempting to force a British worldview upon these countries, leading to propaganda in the United Kingdom of the "backwardness" of Islamic culture and religion, and an Islamic view of the U.K. as an active oppressor of Muslims (whether or not this is actually the case in the present). Spain was established on the corpse of the the Sultanate, crushing and utterly destroying Islam (and Judaism, for that matter) in their state, and still hail to this as the beginning of their golden age.

3. The United States is a far more integrated culture than any European country. The U.S. is the integration of many European traditions, but also integrates cultures which are very alien to this European tradition. For example: there is no history of state-sponsored antisemitism in the United States, nor of oppression or suppression of the Jewish People, unlike Europe where state-sponsored antisemitism was endemic in every part of the continent. This is part of a greater history, in Europe, of suppressing those elements different from everybody else in the state, including, for example, a series of "heresies" within Christianity, a history totally alien to the United States.

Please take a History check,the Crusades were not started by the English, Bohemond of Tarranto,his nephew Tancred ,Stephen of Blois,Robert of Normandy,Hugh of Vermendois,Godfrey of Bouillon not one of these leaders of the first Crusade were English,we get blamed for enough stuff.

 

[Sunstone]

is this natural price to pay for free society?

Nope. Contrary to popular myth, high crime rates have little or nothing to do with how free a society is.

 

[tomspug]

There is only one Islam and I'm not concerned with what any god would think. Have a look at this:

One religion... filled with millions and millions of INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.

If you were a Muslim, you'd be one of those that is worried that Christians and Jews will try and destroy everything that you hold dear. Doesn't really set you very much apart from those you fear, does it?

 

[England my lionheart]

Murder Victims, by Age, Sex, and Race statistics - USA Census numbers

Forcible Rape -- Number and Rate statistics - USA Census numbers

Crime in America

is this natural price to pay for free society?

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I would'nt consider Iran to be a free society and i would'nt consider Homosexuality to be a crime either and so Iran have said that is is Homosexual free as they have all been hung,is this the natural price to pay for an unfree society?

 

[Alla Prima]

One religion... filled with millions and millions of INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.

You'll have to take that up with Muslims who agree with my comment.

Islam is written in Qur'an. There are no versions. There is only one Islam.

If you were a Muslim, you'd be one of those that is worried that Christians and Jews will try and destroy everything that you hold dear. Doesn't really set you very much apart from those you fear, does it?

I oppose imperialism from any source.

 

[.lava]

I would'nt consider Iran to be a free society and i would'nt consider Homosexuality to be a crime either and so Iran have said that is is Homosexual free as they have all been hung,is this the natural price to pay for an unfree society?

that's another issue though but both examples pay the price for being away from God.

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[.lava]

You'll have to take that up with Muslims who agree with my comment.

i am not willing to be chewing gum in your mouth. i am here and i do not recall many times that i agree with you. you simply hate Islam. you, yourself, said you prefer to learn Islam from those who rejected Islam. that shows your intention. now, what makes you think i agree with you? explain it please...

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[.lava]

Nope. Contrary to popular myth, high crime rates have little or nothing to do with how free a society is.

i can agree with that. therefor i wonder about definition of freedom. is it really about being away from religions?

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[Alla Prima]

i am not willing to be chewing gum in your mouth. i am here and i do not recall many times that i agree with you. you simply hate Islam. you, yourself, said you prefer to learn Islam from those who rejected Islam. that shows your intention. now, what makes you think i agree with you? explain it please...

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We agree on one Islam.

 

[Alla Prima]

i am not willing to be chewing gum in your mouth. i am here and i do not recall many times that i agree with you. you simply hate Islam. you, yourself, said you prefer to learn Islam from those who rejected Islam. that shows your intention. now, what makes you think i agree with you? explain it please...

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I strongly oppose tyranny.