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The Islamization of the free world
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Elessar
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Not the first Crusade, I said "The Crusades", and I never claimed the English started the Crusades. I said that the English FOUGHT in the Crusades, and still celebrate their heroes who fought in those Crusades (i.e. Richard the Lionheart) against Islam.
I don't fault England or the U.K. any more for the Crusades than the Italians, the Germans, the French or anyone, I was simply using the U.K. as my example in that post.
Alla Prima
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Islam's a tyranny. Muslims cannot freely leave Islam.
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Elessar
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How so?
.lava
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Alla Prima
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It's prophet has been given a jihadi mandate from God to spread a complete system of behavior to all the world either by peaceful means or by the sword if necessary. Islamic nation states are political entities founded on oppressive islamic principles. The islamic state denies personal liberty and mandates the worship of a god and his prophet in service to the islam. The killing of apostates is sanctioned within the teachings of Islam. Islam is unchanging and cannot be criticized.
.lava
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Jihad of Prophet was self defense. i would not say the same for wars happened after him as there are many different aspects of history. i do not know them all anyway. but i do know about wars of Prophet. he never attacked anyone. he and his followers were being attacked. therefor war occurred around Madina (where they escaped) but not Macca (where they were forced to leave).
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ranjana
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you are taking my least favorite defense of islamophobia, painting the entire religion as corrupt and against all personal freedoms, because there does exist a fundamentalist movement in Islam, that many would argue is not true Islam.
is the government of Turkey, UAE or Jordin denying personal freedoms or killing apostates?
is the government of Turkey, UAE or Jordin denying personal freedoms or killing apostates?
Elessar
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Jordan and UAE are debatable, maybe, but certainly not Turkey.
Alla Prima
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Offensive Jihad is jihad used to expand the realm of Islam. Don't you know imperialist Islamic history?
Alla Prima
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There is no islamophobia. The term was invented and used to stop debate as is the term racism. Both are untrue.
Elessar
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People have said the same of antisemitism.
.lava
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what happened to the rest of my reply? you talk about Prophet and he is the one i defend. how am i suppose to defend millions of people who lived in the past? some did right some did wrong. this is obvious. there've tyranny people who forced and oppressed people. this is not what we disagree on. you call wrong doers actions 'Islam' even though book of Islam call them wrong doers.
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Alla Prima
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How many gay men were hanged in Iran? How many Christian churches or Dharma centers were built in Saudi Arabia last year?
.lava
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.lava
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Elessar
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You are taking the actions of a few Islamic nations and, without any proof, claiming ALL Islamic nations are tyrannical because of it. It amounts to the same argument:
Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin were Jewish ethnically.
Karl Marx invented communism, and Vladimir Lenin practiced communism.
Communism is evil.
Therefore, all Jews are communists, evil and should be eliminated.
Or:
Many free market capitalists are Jews.
The free market economy suffered hyperinflation and collapsed.
Free market capitalism is evil.
Therefore, all Jews are free market capitalists, evil and should be eliminated.
Both of these arguments were made by the Nazis, simultaneously (despite their obvious contradiction), and they are in the same line as yours.
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ranjana
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i am not talking about Iran; that country oppressed people's freedom and safety, under a guise of religion. Iran is NOT Islam.
I dont know how many christian churches were build in Saudi Arabia last year but perhaps it is not a growing religion there? Your questions reflect a general ignorance about the argument at hand. You post this article and you say there is no islamophobia?? :faint:
i commend lava for engaging in 'religious education', which is this forum is all about.
But i get too angry when i read your posts, so maybe i should go read zenzero's 'Anger' thread hahaha
You know, you accuse of Islam spreading hate. I think you are doing a pretty good job of it yourself. Not all of Islam is like you paint it. There are good and bad in all groups and many will use religion as a justification to do harm in this world. If this was 40 years ago, you would be saying the same about the Russians. They were the demonized group back then. There is always someone that will be demonized by people. I am not saying there are not horrible things happening within the Islamic world, but there are also horrible things happening in the rest of the world too that have nothing to do with Islam.
OK but Richard the Lionheart was'nt English either,he was a Norman and hardly sat foot in England,but yes i understand.
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