The Islamization of the free world

[Peace]

Well are these lies? You tell me.

I would say yes they are because that's not the behaviors of true Muslims. That's the speech of people whose heart is full with hatred.

 

[Peace]

I wonder if we must wait until there is such an attack before we begin thinking on the possibility.

So what's your intention and what's behind all this? do you want to kill all the Muslims that exist on this earth :sarcastic

 

[Peace]

So, what do you suggest?...Eliminate muslims?

LOL we thought the same thing. I have just read this after posting mine

 

[Peace]

The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

The first thing you should do is buy a copy of the Quran and read it, then you will come to understand Islam.
Islam is a universal religion, the last revealed religion from God which suits all times.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Europe has been a miserable failure in this which is why they are having so many problems now. The first thing we should know is that Islam (as it currently exists) is not compatible with free societies.

So like, where in europe are there so many problems then?
I surelly do hope you don't mean the Netherlands because of one idiot? :sarcastic
If so, I am dying to know what problems we would be having, as I don't see them..

 

[England my lionheart]

The problem here is not just Islamophobia the same can be said of the phobia Islam has of the west or Zionism,in my country as a whole we are very tollerant of different races and religions,we showed that when the so called cleric Al Hamza stood on our streets preaching hatred and Jihad but he is now in prison but there are many more like him here,it will take time but they will be dealt with according to the law.
The most puzzling thing for me is why Muslims come to my country to settle,then join an existing Muslim community and live exactly as they did where they came from,this goes for any immigrant that comes here,if i were to emigrate to another country i would not expect that country to adjust to my way of living.
I have a total dislike of Sharia,i dislike the way Women are regarded and treated by some Muslims,obviously there are western men who abuse there wifes etc but it isn't sanctioned,i dislike the way Apostates are treated and i do get concerned about the lack of integration between races and religions because because one day something horrid will hit the fan,having said all that i cannot tar all Muslims with the same brush just as Islam should not tar all of the west with the same brush.
I feel i am lucky to be able to talk with other people from different faiths on this forum because it can only lead to more understanding,Lava and Einstein seem millions of miles away from the fear of this post and i am glad to have met them.

 

[BucephalusBB]

The first thing you should do is buy a copy of the Quran and read it, then you will come to understand Islam.
Islam is a universal religion, the last revealed religion from God which suits all times.

Even though I disagree with Alla Prima, a rulebook means nothing ofcourse if you cannot see it's members follow those rules...
Besides, if you think a certain kind of people make a mess out of something, reading the reason why they do it does not take away the mess.. He does not need to understand Islam for this.

 

[England my lionheart]

The first thing you should do is buy a copy of the Quran and read it, then you will come to understand Islam.
Islam is a universal religion, the last revealed religion from God which suits all times.

Which unfortunately cannot be proved,i have read some but find it hard going because of the translation

 

[EiNsTeiN]

One can agree or disagree with any religious beliefs engaged by others, but he does not have the right to declare openly that it's pure evil including all its followers. At least, there are few muslims here who do not seem to be evil (hopefully, I'm one of those!)

Claiming that Islam wants to spread itself by any means including military means is not accurate, and shows poor knowledge of islamic history... Back to the prophets days, muslims left Mecca and went to Madina escaping from the turture of Meccans. And they (muslims) spent many years after then ONLY defending themselves against the attacks of Meccans.

All wars engaged by Islam during that age were defensive, even if it seemed that muslims started first. In fact, if muslims didn't declare war on persians and romans, Islam would have ended too soon. Moreover, simple reading of history would show you that people lived in those two empires were actually asking help from muslims to free them from the unjustice ruling of romans and persians.

Saudi Arabia's system doesnt allow churches to be built, it's about their system, and nothing Islamic. Most of the other muslim countries (including Iran) have many churches.

Bottom line, please, read about Islam before attacking its followers.

 

[Alla Prima]

People have said the same of antisemitism.

Not the same thing at all. Antisemitism is an irrational hatred towards a race of people. Islam is a set of beliefs. It isn't islamophobic to criticize a set of beliefs which are incompatible with Western Liberal Democracies.

 

[Alla Prima]

and when did you give ten dollars as a charity to build a mosque?

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I would never do that. There are many organizations I would never give money to.

 

[Alla Prima]

what happened to the rest of my reply? you talk about Prophet and he is the one i defend. how am i suppose to defend millions of people who lived in the past? some did right some did wrong. this is obvious. there've tyranny people who forced and oppressed people. this is not what we disagree on. you call wrong doers actions 'Islam' even though book of Islam call them wrong doers.

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The book of Islam also calls them right doers. Violent jihad is sanctioned and rewarded in the Sahih Bukhari. Muhammad was almost constantly fighting people. He financed his ideology early on by robbing caravans. It wasn't all self defense.

 

[Alla Prima]

now you're kidding! check out title of your thread.

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It is you who must be joking. Please explain how my title is 'islamophobic'.

 

[Alla Prima]

You are taking the actions of a few Islamic nations and, without any proof, claiming ALL Islamic nations are tyrannical because of it.

That was one example. The list is rather exhustive. And I said Islam is tyrannical - it's principles are tyrannical not all Islamic nations are tyrannical though most are unless one is a Muslim of course. Islamic nations take their marching orders from the Koran and the collection of Hadith.

 

[Alla Prima]

i am not talking about Iran; that country oppressed people's freedom and safety, under a guise of religion. Iran is NOT Islam.

Right. Everything that doesn't fit your pleasant picture of Islam isn't Islam. That's convenient.

I dont know how many christian churches were build in Saudi Arabia last year but perhaps it is not a growing religion there? Your questions reflect a general ignorance about the argument at hand. You post this article and you say there is no islamophobia?? :faint:

No churches were built because it isn't allowed. No Christian church has ever been built in Saudi Arabia. Your ignorance not mine.

i commend lava for engaging in 'religious education', which is this forum is all about.
But i get too angry when i read your posts, so maybe i should go read zenzero's 'Anger' thread hahaha

Lava is a salesperson for Islam so naturally she will always show the positive of Islam. What's needed is a balanced view of Islam so people aren't blinded from the truth.

 

[Alla Prima]

So like, where in europe are there so many problems then?
I surelly do hope you don't mean the Netherlands because of one idiot? :sarcastic
If so, I am dying to know what problems we would be having, as I don't see them..

Take France for instance. Muslim ghettos virtually surround Paris. There are zones even the police won't go into.

 

[Alla Prima]

So what's your intention and what's behind all this? do you want to kill all the Muslims that exist on this earth :sarcastic

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[Alla Prima]

The first thing you should do is buy a copy of the Quran and read it, then you will come to understand Islam.

I did.

Islam is a universal religion, the last revealed religion from God which suits all times.

Nonsense.

 

[Alla Prima]

One can agree or disagree with any religious beliefs engaged by others, but he does not have the right to declare openly that it's pure evil including all its followers.

I have never made that claim nor would I. There are many many good Muslims. That I believe much of the Koran is evil and should be criticized does not make these good Muslims evil.

 

[Alla Prima]

Bottom line, please, read about Islam before attacking its followers.

I will criticize bad behavior as should we all and I will criticize an ideology which I find unhealthy and disturbing. Should we ignore Fred Phelps version of Christianity? Of course not. This criticism is how positive change comes about.