The Islamization of the free world

[England my lionheart]

So you should correct your information by reading an accurate biography and authentic Hadith Books.

How do you know which ones are authentic,there are whole states that may be following the wrong ones

 

[.lava]

Lava is a salesperson for Islam so naturally she will always show the positive of Islam. What's needed is a balanced view of Islam so people aren't blinded from the truth.

i am not sales person and this is truly heart breaking. i speak from my experience and from our teachings. i am sorry that i was not violent enough so i disappointed you. this is what you want, isn't it? you want to see Muslims violent. what kind of human being are you? you are OK with wrong doings and violence if it is gonna prove you right. that is a shame!

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[.lava]

The Koran is rife with hatred.

Qur'an is a mirror and you're witnessing what's within you. if you dislike what you see then heal and save yourself from hatred.

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[Alla Prima]

Qur'an is a mirror and you're witnessing what's within you. if you dislike what you see then heal and save yourself from hatred.

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I think this is just silly nonsense. By this logic any religious teachings I studied would necessarily reveal hatred to me. But they don't. Some are beautiful and sublime full of love and compassion.

 

[Alla Prima]

i am not sales person and this is truly heart breaking. i speak from my experience and from our teachings. i am sorry that i was not violent enough so i disappointed you. this is what you want, isn't it? you want to see Muslims violent. what kind of human being are you? you are OK with wrong doings and violence if it is gonna prove you right. that is a shame!

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No not at all. I want to see Muslims peaceful. All Muslims. What I see as violent are the teachings of Islam. This is why so many Muslims are violent because the teachings teach violence.

 

[Alla Prima]

oh dear, book of Islam is Qur'an. command of Allah is not to break peace but to defend when attacked. during war if the one who attacked ask for peace we have to take it.

All sounds good but there is no end to the excuses to defend Islam. The very existence of 'unbelievers' is an excuse to defend Islam. This is how Islam became an imperialist ideology and created an empire.

Mohammad (PBUH) has never started any war. matter of fact when disbelievers started to kill and to torture Muslims, they did not fight back for years till verses that command them to fight back were revealed.

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Muhammad was a jihadi warrior who had designs on conquering as much land as he could.

 

[Alla Prima]

that's what i expected to hear from you. you do not want to have mosques near you but you come up and ask about churches of Iran.

I was showing you the hypocrasy of Islam. I don't care if there's churches in the Islamic world. In fact I suggest to Christians they stay out of the Islamic world and mind their own business.

above all you asked the very same question in other thread and Muslims from different nations showed you there are churches in Muslim nations yet you ignore and ask again as if you're not answered before. why do you do that, Alla Prima? you know, this is not honest.

I never said there were no churches in Islamic nations. I said there were no churches in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Alla Prima]

Muhammed would cut off his own daughters hand I see? And this is the last prophet that came to enlighten us ? ​

With such a prophet if it no wonder Islam is a tryanny.

 

[.lava]

I think this is just silly nonsense. By this logic any religious teachings I studied would necessarily reveal hatred to me. But they don't. Some are beautiful and sublime full of love and compassion.

OK, maybe i was not clear enough. let me put it this way;

when you read a text, your personal understanding reflects what you are. in case, you are selfish person you'd be satisfied by what you understood and close yourself to further stuff. this is what those violent Muslims do. they think they understand Qur'an but they are following their own egos as Qur'an states. for that matter, i do not see difference between you and those who you insult. you are very much alike yet happened to be opposites. to me, you are the same mind set. narrow and narcissist.

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[Alla Prima]

i would like to thank you for drawing the picture of the perfect muslim , Aliyah...but just for the record , accepting the savage zionist occupation as legal...and calling the legal resistance organizations like Hamas terrorists is not a sign of moderation among the mainstrem muslims ..
Being a jew ,you may not like that ,but the mainstream muslim think that the terrorists are those who just ended a massacre among the civilians of gaza !!

Yes very very sad. Mainstream Muslims are indeed blind.

 

[.lava]

No not at all. I want to see Muslims peaceful. All Muslims. What I see as violent are the teachings of Islam. This is why so many Muslims are violent because the teachings teach violence.

this is another thing that i find weird. you look at all the crimes being committed in Muslim nations and think they are all occurred cos of Islam. what about crimes of Western Nations? they are not Muslims but numbers and quality of crimes are terrible, horrific. do you consider them as secular crimes?

All Muslims huh? first make your own society better. in this case make all non Muslims peaceful creatures then you would have permission to expect all Muslims to be peaceful.

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[Peace]

All sounds good but there is no end to the excuses to defend Islam. The very existence of 'unbelievers' is an excuse to defend Islam. This is how Islam became an imperialist ideology and created an empire.

Have you really read the Quran or have you just read verses out of context? Have you read this?

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (2:190)

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just." (60:8)

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." (8:61)

 

[Peace]

Are you saying I have a cover over my eyes and a heart which is black and full of hatred?.

Yes unfortunately.

A lot of people chose to smoke tabacco too knowing full well the poison they where inhaling

There is someone here with a black heart full of hatred and envy who chose to be blind not knowing that her/his blindness will lead him/her to a deep abyss.

 

[challupa]

this is another thing that i find weird. you look at all the crimes being committed in Muslim nations and think they are all occurred cos of Islam. what about crimes of Western Nations? they are not Muslims but numbers and quality of crimes are terrible, horrific. do you consider them as secular crimes?

All Muslims huh? first make your own society better. in this case make all non Muslims peaceful creatures then you would have permission to expect all Muslims to be peaceful.

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No lava, the reason why the western nations have so much crime is because they are a product of reading the Bible.:sarcastic If Alla Prima is blaming the crimes of islam on the Quran, then he should be blaming the crimes of the west on the bible. It's the same broad brush stroke imo. Neither are accurate.

 

[.lava]

All sounds good but there is no end to the excuses to defend Islam. The very existence of 'unbelievers' is an excuse to defend Islam. This is how Islam became an imperialist ideology and created an empire.

that is the command of Allah that we learned from Qur'an. what's there you don't get?

existence of disbelievers is the only thing that make existence of believers real. nobody could see one single white point on a white page. did not you learn it in life already?

Muhammad was a jihadi warrior who had designs on conquering as much land as he could.

Mohammad (PBUH) was not a rich man when he left. he did not attack anyone. he and his believers had to leave their home town because of tortures of Maccans. they did not gain land. they came back to their home land. i told you before. go and check and you'd see wars always occurred around Madina. if Mohammad (PBUH) started war against Maccan then why did not wars occurred around Macca? what do you think? do you think Maccan people come to Madina for a picnic?

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[Peace]

No not at all. I want to see Muslims peaceful. All Muslims. What I see as violent are the teachings of Islam. This is why so many Muslims are violent because the teachings teach violence.

You are brainwashed poor one. Have you had a brainwashing operation where they instilled this image in your mind and cannot see otherwise?

 

[.lava]

I was showing you the hypocrasy of Islam. I don't care if there's churches in the Islamic world. In fact I suggest to Christians they stay out of the Islamic world and mind their own business.

that is only your hypocracy. rights of a Christian is equal right of a Muslim.

I never said there were no churches in Islamic nations. I said there were no churches in Saudi Arabia.

then criticize Saudi Arabia! if really there are Christians who do not have churches, go ahead! but me wonders, have you ever been there? you know we have Muslims here who live in Saudi Arabia and i think you should ask them about their nation. they know it better then you and me.

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[Peace]

How do you know which ones are authentic,there are whole states that may be following the wrong ones

There are authentic Hadith recorded in reliable books. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the most reliable authentic books of Hadith.

 

[.lava]

How do you know which ones are authentic,there are whole states that may be following the wrong ones

that's responsibility of each person as an individual, England my lion heart. there are people who's living the truth of Islam in every nation, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, in Pakistan...etc.


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[Alla Prima]

OK, maybe i was not clear enough. let me put it this way;

when you read a text, your personal understanding reflects what you are. in case, you are selfish person you'd be satisfied by what you understood and close yourself to further stuff. this is what those violent Muslims do. they think they understand Qur'an but they are following their own egos as Qur'an states. for that matter, i do not see difference between you and those who you insult. you are very much alike yet happened to be opposites. to me, you are the same mind set. narrow and narcissist.

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Well if that's the case then the Koran is a terrible terrible book since there are so many people filled with hate that it will inspire them to act upon their hatred.

I would think a book from God would be clear and inspire love only.