The Islamization of the free world

[Alla Prima]

There are authentic Hadith recorded in reliable books. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the most reliable authentic books of Hadith.

These are the two I always refer to and quote.

 

[.lava]

No lava, the reason why the western nations have so much crime is because they are a product of reading the Bible.:sarcastic If Alla Prima is blaming the crimes of islam on the Quran, then he should be blaming the crimes of the west on the bible. It's the same broad brush stroke imo. Neither are accurate.

then crimes in China would remain as a mystery lol recently a mother in China rent a murderer to get her 9 year old son killed. the man killed the boy and mother is arrested and sentenced to death. horrific isn't it? she remarries and just because they are allowed to have one kid, she gets her son killed to have a new kid from new husband.

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[Alla Prima]

You are brainwashed poor one. Have you had a brainwashing operation where they instilled this image in your mind and cannot see otherwise?

No one instilled anything in my mind. I can read.

 

[challupa]

Well if that's the case then the Koran is a terrible terrible book since there are so many people filled with hate that it will inspire them to act upon their hatred.

I would think a book from God would be clear and inspire love only.

And the Bible is clear and inspires love!!!! Good grief Alla Prima, the Bible, the Quran, the Torah the Book of Mormon, on and on with holy scriptures, all of these can cause people to act in hateful ways by virtue of their capacity to be interpreted in any way someone wants to. The bible is also a book with an incredible amount of violence and god genocides so why don't you say all Christians are hate filled. They protect their violent book too.:slap:

 

[Peace]

.lava I believe it's useless to speak to this person, s/he is only here to attack. leave her/him to his hatred.
One of our friends who is a non-muslim advised that talking to such kind of people would be useless and he is right in what he said.

 

[Alla Prima]

Yes unfortunately.




There is someone here with a black heart full of hatred and envy who chose to be blind not knowing that her/his blindness will lead him/her to a deep abyss.

This is how almost all of the debates I've had with Muslims end up. They cannot control their minds and simply debate without insulting and belittling their opponent. All you have here are insults. That's all you have.

 

[.lava]

Well if that's the case then the Koran is a terrible terrible book since there are so many people filled with hate that it will inspire them to act upon their hatred.

I would think a book from God would be clear and inspire love only.

how could you even hold religious text as responsible of actions of men? if people hate, it is because they can. hate does not come from words it comes from ego of person. egoist people think they are better than others so they want to rule as if they were Gods on Earth.

i am inspired by love. Islam gives me peace and makes me better person cos it commands me to fight against my ego. so what's the difference between you and me?

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[challupa]

then crimes in China would remain as a mystery lol recently a mother in China rent a murderer to get her 9 year old son killed. the man killed the boy and mother is arrested and sentenced to death. horrific isn't it? she remarries and just because they are allowed to have one kid, she gets her son killed to have a new kid from new husband.

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exactly if someone wants to do something horrific they will and they will also find some justification for their deeds. I am not a person that is a fan of holy scriptures, but I do not blame them entirely for the things that people do. If people are looking for some way to justify their hatred, they will find a way. Sometimes they find a way through the reading of holy scriptures, that is true. But the scriptures can also inspire people to do good. So I think it depends more on the mindset of the people reading them then the actual scriptures themselves.

 

[Alla Prima]

.lava I believe it's useless to speak to this person, s/he is only here to attack. leave her/him to his hatred.
One of our friends who is a non-muslim advised that talking to such kind of people would be useless and he is right in what he said.

You cannot debate unless your opponent agrees with you. But that's not debate is it.

 

[Alla Prima]

And the Bible is clear and inspires love!!!! Good grief Alla Prima, the Bible, the Quran, the Torah the Book of Mormon, on and on with holy scriptures, all of these can cause people to act in hateful ways by virtue of their capacity to be interpreted in any way someone wants to. The bible is also a book with an incredible amount of violence and god genocides so why don't you say all Christians are hate filled. They protect their violent book too.:slap:

Then they are all unworthy of our attention.

 

[.lava]

You cannot debate unless your opponent agrees with you. But that's not debate is it.

that's not what she is saying.

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[Alla Prima]

how could you even hold religious text as responsible of actions of men? if people hate, it is because they can. hate does not come from words it comes from ego of person. egoist people think they are better than others so they want to rule as if they were Gods on Earth.

Don't Muslims believe they are better than others? They certainly believe their religion is better than anyone else's.

i am inspired by love. Islam gives me peace and makes me better person cos it commands me to fight against my ego. so what's the difference between you and me?

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A Dharma book would do the same thing.

 

[.lava]

This is how almost all of the debates I've had with Muslims end up. They cannot control their minds and simply debate without insulting and belittling their opponent. All you have here are insults. That's all you have.

Alla Prima, we love our religion, therefor we are Muslims. unfortunately what you're doing is not even close to talk about wrong doings of people among our nations. you directly attack our religion. if you were willing to talk about wrong doers i believe Muslims would share with you. but since you cut off the communication even from the start, then there is nothing left to say.

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[challupa]

Then they are all unworthy of our attention.

That's pretty much what I do, not pay attention to the scriptures. However, there are people that are able to take good things from these books and they do create peace for them and they do inspire them to be good people. Why do you not see that this might be possible. I agree there is lots of harm caused by these books also when people chose to interpret them to justify horrific acts. But there are lots of books that do that, not just holy scriptures.

 

[England my lionheart]

No lava, the reason why the western nations have so much crime is because they are a product of reading the Bible.:sarcastic If Alla Prima is blaming the crimes of islam on the Quran, then he should be blaming the crimes of the west on the bible. It's the same broad brush stroke imo. Neither are accurate.

This is incorrect because the majority in the so called west have deserted the Abrahmic religions or religion as a whole,with or without religion there is good and bad,for too long religion has been a yoke around Mankinds neck and has pushed people away from it.
All religions boast of this and that like a salesman who would sell fridges to Eskimos but in essence what do they actually know,well only what another Human being has told them with no proof other than their belief,there isn't one religion that should be put above another because of that fact,the fact is there is no proof,sorry but it really is as simple as that.

 

[Alla Prima]

Alla Prima, we love our religion, therefor we are Muslims. unfortunately what you're doing is not even close to talk about wrong doings of people among our nations. you directly attack our religion. if you were willing to talk about wrong doers i believe Muslims would share with you. but since you cut off the communication even from the start, then there is nothing left to say.

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The difference between you and I is I'm criticizing the ideology of Islam. You want to criticize Muslims without addressing the ideology, an ideology that supports and inspires bad behavior.

 

[.lava]

Don't Muslims believe they are better than others? They certainly believe their religion is better than anyone else's.

of course there are Muslims who think they are better than others as there are Christians who think rest of the world would go hell because they are not Christians. Muslim or non Muslim it is the same mind set, same nature of human ego.

A Dharma book would do the same thing.

and i do not mind if you read and find peace in Dharmic book. why do you care if i find peace in Islam? why does it bother you?

reading is just a part of religion. there are many more stuff that i would consider as my food.

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[challupa]

This is incorrect because the majority in the so called west have deserted the Abrahmic religions or religion as a whole,with or without religion there is good and bad,for too long religion has been a yoke around Mankinds neck and has pushed people away from it.
All religions boast of this and that like a salesman who would sell fridges to Eskimos but in essence what do they actually know,well only what another Human being has told them with no proof other than their belief,there isn't one religion that should be put above another because of that fact,the fact is there is no proof,sorry but it really is as simple as that.

I was being sarcastic... People will find ways to justify anything, religious secular doesn't matter. I agree with that.

 

[.lava]

The difference between you and I is I'm criticizing the ideology of Islam. You want to criticize Muslims without addressing the ideology, an ideology that supports and inspires bad behavior.

then explain why my religion never supported me for the same.

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[England my lionheart]

I was being sarcastic... People will find ways to justify anything, religious secular doesn't matter. I agree with that.

OK,i was a little previous