That's quite the Bizarro World fiction.
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The Israel/Palestine Discourse Monopoly
- Thread starter Samael_Khan
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Orbit
I'm a planet
Hi there,
I am interested in hearing peoples motivation behind discussing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Why is it popular in discourse and what motivates people to support either side, often with such emotional investment, especially if they are not Israeli or Palestinian?
And why do people focus on this often prioritising iy over other conflicts around the world? An example is the conflict in DRC which is an insane humanitarian crisis with a long history, yet the plight of these people are relatively neglected:
DR Congo: An unprecedented crisis goes ignored
Recent months have brought a dramatic deterioration in the situation in eastern DR Congo, where countless civilians are attacked with impunity. Extreme levels of violence, hunger, and displacement ...www.nrc.no
1. I pay attention to wars that my tax dollars fund.
2. I have friends who live in Israel
3. It's impossible to escape it in the U.S. media
4. It prompts concern about freedom of speech in the U.S. due to current events
5. Potential for escalation in the region and for dragging the U.S. into another senseless war
6. Human rights abuses enabled by my tax dollars are especially egregious
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
You're ignoring the facts and the credible source I provided. Gratefully the majority of americans and those in power positions do not operate that way.
You're rationalizing poorly.
After many requests, you continue to avoid explaining the historical context you use to make such claims.
How did they become enemies? Please do not mention a religion. Focus on crimes. Hint: illegal occupation.
I agree and remove religion as part of it.
I saw the last couple days of news feeds, putting a focus on those atrocities.
The bias is focused on the atrocities of one side. And when you site HAMAS, write out what the term means to begin please.
Yes it is...... especially to even mention religion as a part of it. Both are of the abrahamic scope of global religions, direct brethren.
I know and that is because the bigots equate israel to mean or represent Jewish people, when in fact the majority of the global jewish population do not and WILL NOT live within israel but for some reason, the rude continue to equate israel to Jews.
That must stop!
My prediction is Israel or Iran will likely have a nuclear war with each other around 2050 or will be the catalyst for the third world war around that time.Hi there,
I am interested in hearing peoples motivation behind discussing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Why is it popular in discourse and what motivates people to support either side, often with such emotional investment, especially if they are not Israeli or Palestinian?
And why do people focus on this often prioritising iy over other conflicts around the world? An example is the conflict in DRC which is an insane humanitarian crisis with a long history, yet the plight of these people are relatively neglected:
DR Congo: An unprecedented crisis goes ignored
Recent months have brought a dramatic deterioration in the situation in eastern DR Congo, where countless civilians are attacked with impunity. Extreme levels of violence, hunger, and displacement ...
That makes me interested.
The reality is, israel has destabilized the region. It started with irgun, the original labeled terrorist of the region bombing british locations.
Likewise:
Actual rabbi, stating their own opinion.
How many observe rabbi as an authority?
Excellent OP, you beat me to the punch. I was going to include the phrase "selective outrage"
Closer to the conflict we have Syria and Yemen, and I think between those two, over 500,000 civilians have been killed. Within a few hundred miles of Israel. Crickets.
For lack of an agreed upon term, I'm going to use "woke" to summarize the post-modern, anti-logic, anti-science, anti-West, divisive ideology that has managed to capture universities, then silicon valley, and now the media.
I think that the woke, anti-Western-civilization ideology is driving much of the attention. This conflict is fairly unique, because if you believe in the woke, oppressed vs. oppressor worldview, then you have Israel as a "Western oppressor" and Hamas as being the not-West, "oppressed".
Most of the other massively destructive conflicts we're talking about don't fit as nicely into the oppressed vs. oppressor, woke ideology.
What's your historical context for making such a claim? (Because that doesn't seem accurate.)
How can you say that?
1..
Though the timing of a new security package remains unclear, the U.S. is by far the biggest supplier of military aid to Israel, contributing around $130 billion since its founding.
- With the U.S.' help, Israel has formed one of the most formidable and technologically advanced militaries in the Middle East.
- Both Republican and Democratic administrations and bipartisan leaders in Congress have approved aid to Israel over several decades. In return, the U.S. has cultivated a strategic military ally in the Middle East.
- As part of an agreement reached under the Obama administration, Israel receives $3.8 billion annually for its military and missile defense systems.
- Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign military financing, which has represented around 15% of the country's defense budget in recent years.
The UN Special Rapporteur’s report echoes recent findings by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organisations who analized Israel’s 55-year occupation of the Palestinian Territory.
“There is today in the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967 a deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system, that privileges the 700,000 Israeli Jewish settlers living in the 300 illegal Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank,” said Michael Lynk, the UN Special Rapporteur for the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.
‘Open-air prison’
Mentioning the lack of rights of people living in the same vicinity, but separated by walls, checkpoints and roads, Mr. Lynk acknowledged that “there are more than three million Palestinians living under an oppressive rule of institutional discrimination and without a path to a genuine Palestinian state that the world has long promised, is their right”.3....
What's the Israel-Palestinian conflict about and how did it start?
reuters.com
https://www.reuters.com › world › middle-east › whats-is...
Oct 9, 2023 — ... conflict between Israelis and Palestinians which has rumbled on for seven decades and destabilised the Middle East.
All three items directly addressed and all three point out the problem has existed for over half a century.
How could any honest soul, NOT KNOW THAT!
First, I didn't address my post to you.
Second, your evidence paints only a small part of the picture. I'm not saying it's wrong, only that it's incomplete.
So I can understand how you come to the conclusions you come to if that's the only evidence you're considering. But be aware, you're looking at only a small sliver of what's important to consider.
I posted them many times over............. and since I am aware of my countries spending, I have observed the divide, destabilization, apartheid and atrocities for decades and decades.
And what bugs me the most, is how the rude equate israel to mean and represent Jews. That state has done more damage to Jews and judaism, than anything since ww2.
And I know why, do you? (edit) Skip that question as you claimed to have no idea that the divide is happening.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Not to derail the thread, but your sweeping characterization of universities as "anti-logic, anti-science, anti-West" is wrong and absurd.Excellent OP, you beat me to the punch. I was going to include the phrase "selective outrage"
Closer to the conflict we have Syria and Yemen, and I think between those two, over 500,000 civilians have been killed. Within a few hundred miles of Israel. Crickets.
For lack of an agreed upon term, I'm going to use "woke" to summarize the post-modern, anti-logic, anti-science, anti-West, divisive ideology that has managed to capture universities, then silicon valley, and now the media.
I think that the woke, anti-Western-civilization ideology is driving much of the attention. This conflict is fairly unique, because if you believe in the woke, oppressed vs. oppressor worldview, then you have Israel as a "Western oppressor" and Hamas as being the not-West, "oppressed".
Most of the other massively destructive conflicts we're talking about don't fit as nicely into the oppressed vs. oppressor, woke ideology.
a..... I read more than just the comments to me.
b.... the evidence covers far more than opinion but decades and decades of reoccurring problems
c... the big picture must include why the divide even exists. I understand the problem and why, DO YOU?
You may enjoy the media and political angle(s) but you care very little about the people actually involved, oppressed and being adversely affected on any side!
Yes, it makes a lot of sense that the struggle against apartheid would engender sympathy for other populations experiencing systematic persecution, and I think the noticeable pro-Palestinian sentiment of Ireland, for example, stems from similar historical reasons that have made it more able to closely relate to the ongoing issues that Palestinians are facing.
I'm also interested in the history of colonialism and exploitation in Africa, since that's where I'm from as well. I can relate to what you said regarding caring about Africa due to researching your own country's history.
I see it as an aspect of human nature that people tend to care the most about the issues that are physically and emotionally closest to them. I only see a problem when there's approval of or complete apathy toward others' suffering even when one becomes aware of it, but prioritizing some issues over others on a personal level seems to me a normal and usually necessary thing to do.
I would say that a lot of it was, and al-Jazeera actually ran an article about this because of the stark discrepancy between how some Western media outlets reported about the Ukraine war and how they reported about other wars:
‘Double standards’: Western coverage of Ukraine war criticised
Social media users accuse media of hypocrisy in its coverage of Russia’s war on Ukraine compared with other conflicts.
I suspect that the media in most countries tend to focus on issues that are closest to home, which, again, I find generally reasonable and normal. However, Western powers have frequently gotten themselves involved in overseas conflicts and wars, so many Western media outlets' different coverage of those wars compared to the one in Ukraine was especially jarring and harmfully inconsistent. It was as though they had a different set of moral and political standards for each part of the world.
If Western media (in general) reported about, say, France's involvement in Africa or the US' foreign policy as critically and consistently as they did the Ukraine war, I suspect that many voters would vote differently and have a different view of their respective governments' policies as well as how their tax money was spent.
This is a great question, and I don't really have a definitive answer. I don't know whether personal connection is a realistic goal either, because I wouldn't expect someone in, say, Thailand or Iceland to feel personally connected to Africa's issues, just like I don't feel personally connected to the issues in either country. There can be a feeling of strong empathy (not just sympathy) when struggles are similar or shared, as in the case of South Africa and Ireland in relation to Palestine, and I think that a lot of policy reforms could be achieved through campaigns that raise awareness even if most people still don't feel personally connected to issues in relatively distant countries.
At the end of the day, voting a warmonger out of office could save hundreds of thousands of lives, and doing so only requires that most voters disapprove of the warmonger, whether or not they feel personally connected to the struggle of the country targeted by the war of aggression.
For all of its flaws and deleterious effects, I think that social media have played an immensely useful role in bringing to light facts about many countries' history and issues as well as facets of people's daily lives there in ways that other forms of media have often failed to capture. An article about the IDF's bombardment of civilian areas could be 5,000 words long and still not have the same impact as just one or two pictures of a family under the rubble or a severely injured child crying over losing their parents in an airstrike.
Of course I simplified the growth of woke, and of course it's not that black and white. But I'll defend that it's largely true, and if you want to start a thread on that topic I'll be happy to dive into it with you.
NO ONE understands this situation fully. No one! It's insanely complex and twisty-turny. That's why I rail against everyone who thinks they can make well informed, simplistic declarations on this topic.
I think I care about the people more than you do. That said, I care about them from a utilitarian, long view, not the events of a few months.
I care because Zionism is pushed on Americans, and our corrupt politicians who are bought out by the Zionist lobby rob US taxpayers to the tune of billions each year to prop up a criminal state that commits crimes with our money and military hardware. We don't really have much of a choice but to care in America because of it being shoved down our throats. Even wanting aid to Israel being conditioned on them not using it to wantonly murder civilians is considered scandalous by most in Congress.Hi there,
I am interested in hearing peoples motivation behind discussing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Why is it popular in discourse and what motivates people to support either side, often with such emotional investment, especially if they are not Israeli or Palestinian?
And why do people focus on this often prioritising iy over other conflicts around the world? An example is the conflict in DRC which is an insane humanitarian crisis with a long history, yet the plight of these people are relatively neglected:
DR Congo: An unprecedented crisis goes ignored
Recent months have brought a dramatic deterioration in the situation in eastern DR Congo, where countless civilians are attacked with impunity. Extreme levels of violence, hunger, and displacement ...
I also care because God and religion is often brought into this conflict, as if He gives deeds to physical lands, which I believe is blasphemous. I believe Israel is a spiritual nation, and Zionism is heretical. I find "Christian" Zionism, especially, to be outrageous. I've been a staunch anti-Zionist for about 20 years now, around the time Rachel Corrie was heartlessly murdered by the IDF.