The Jehovah's witnesses and the rest. What's the stumper?

[Misty Woods]

People who also assume that it is "oh so obvious" that anyone and everyone is free from the need to explain themselves because it is "none of their business" or some other such crap statement made in attempts to excuse their foolish behavior are also "a dime a dozen." I'm very much more glad that I am not one of those.

As True Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses NEVER assume that they are free from the need to explain themselves Eph 6:10 "Finally, go on acquiring power+ in the Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor+from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts* of the Devil; 12 because we have a struggle,*+ not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces+ in the heavenly places. 13 For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God,+ so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm........... (Attempts to excuse their foolish behavior???) " Acts 28: 22 "But we think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect,+ we know that it is spoken against everywhere.”+ https://www.jw.org/en/

 

[firedragon]

History is not "rhetoric", nor am I just spouting Catholic theology but well-known and well-established Christian history. Here, and scroll down to #5: Christianity - Wikipedia

Also, I did not say the JW's were "not biblical", as that's way too broad of a stroke.

Not in the post I responded to.

 

[Terry Sampson]

Mr. Sampson, .... The question referring to the location within the Holy Scriptures where this apostles creed that you speak so strongly of is located, is indeed a very honest and fair question...

Au contraire, Madam. It's not a very honest and fair question coming from a JW, when I know for a fact--because JWs and www.jw.org tell me so--that JWs:

• (a) don't acknowledge the relevance and usefulness of Creeds,
• (b) are well convinced that Creeds are the work of Satan, and
  
• (c) know--as well as any literate, adult, Christian human being in Christianity and Christendom--that an existing, whole Christian Creed is not literally, "in the Bible" in any language. In other words, a knucklehead JW who thinks they are obliged to follow Jesus Christ's "command" to be as "wise as serpents" and who thinks that by asking: "where in Scripture may I find your creed" they are being as "wise as serpents", needs to find someone more gullible than me to feign ignorance to.

But shame on me, I treat you rudely, don't I?

• How about if I play your little game with you and ask, since you don't accept and espouse the Apostle's Creed:
  • Where in Scripture is it written that God is not an Almighty Father or that He did not make heaven and earth or that you should not believe and not say that He is Almighty and He made heaven and earth? If you believe that He is Almighty, and that He made heaven and earth, why do you criticize me for saying: "I believe in God the Father Almighty"?
    
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ is not "Υἱὸν Αὐτοῦ τòν μονογενῆ" (God the Father Almighty's only begotten Son)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ is not "τòν Κύριον ἡμῶν" (our Lord)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "τòν συλληφθέντα ἐκ πνεύματος ἁγίου" (conceived from holy spirit)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "γεννηθέντα ἐκ Μαρίας τῆς παρθένου" (born of the maiden Mary)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "παθόντα ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου" (suffer under Pontius Pilate)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "σταυρωθέντα" (crucified)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "θανόντα" (die)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "ταφέντα" (buried)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "κατελθόντα εἰς τὰ κατώτατα" (descend to the abode of the dead)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ ἀναστάντα ἀπò τῶν νεκρῶν" (on the third day rose from the dead)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανούς" (ascend to heaven)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ does not "καθεζόμενον ἐν δεξιᾷ Θεοῦ Πατρὸς παντοδυνάμου" (sit at the right hand of God the Father All-powerful)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ will not "ἐκεῖθεν ἐρχόμενον κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς" (from there come to judge the living and the dead"?

 

[sojourner]

Oh please......if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that more people who receive blood transfusions die, than those who refuse them. In fact you will find very few who actually died because they did not receive a blood transfusion. The truth is that these ones would have died anyway....blood transfusion or not. Who told you that blood transfusions save lives? The tide on that error is turning. Hospitals that are dedicated to non-blood medical management have sprung up all over the world because it has been found that blood transfusions are actually dangerous. Non-blood management is now preferred because it has been demonstrated to result in better outcomes. They learned this from Jehovah's Witnesses.

This is patently false and dangerous medical information. My wife is a surgical nurse. My brother-in-law is a surgeon. One of my best friends is a physician. My nephew is a paramedic. One of my best friends is an emergency nurse. Blood transfusion is not only an efficacious, but a necessary form of treatment, at least here in the US. I don't care where you get your "information" from, but it wouldn't fly with the AMA. Blood transfusion saves lives every day. I would have suffered demise if I had not had such therapy immediately following birth. People who don't have this therapy when they've experienced blood loss die in most cases. In fact, there are many, many surgical practices here who refuse to take JWs as patients, because they're just too high risk in their refusal of blood therapy when it's needed. In practices like cardiac, orthopedic and OB, blood therapy is necessary. The only thing JWs have taught medical science in this regard is that the practice of not receiving blood is a really bad idea, and the belief that transfusion is unnecessary is completely unfounded.

Actually the ancient Jews were Jehovah's Witnesses....but you knew that, right? (Isaiah 43:10)

No they weren't. You're really spreading the false info today, aren't you? The ancient Jews may have been witnesses for YHWH, but they were patently NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. When you capitalize the J and the W you are designating the modern cult that goes by that name, and not any ancient group of Judaic people. This kind of appropriation is nothing more than entitlement.

 

[Deeje]

This is patently false and dangerous medical information.

It is accurate and factual information.

The Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery | Johns Hopkins Medicine in Baltimore, MD

Bloodless Cardiac Surgery: Not Just Possible, But Preferable

https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-pa...-service/center-for-transfusion-free-medicine

My wife is a surgical nurse. My brother-in-law is a surgeon. One of my best friends is a physician. My nephew is a paramedic. One of my best friends is an emergency nurse. Blood transfusion is not only an efficacious, but a necessary form of treatment, at least here in the US. I don't care where you get your "information" from, but it wouldn't fly with the AMA.

Well that says it all really.....no one tells the die hard portion of the America medical fraternity what to do. Especially because the blood industry is such a good money spinner. Compare the cost of a unit of blood in an American hospital, to a unit of saline. Why do you think hospitals are cutting back on blood transfusion therapy? It makes perfect sense for them to want to save money as well as lives.They see the benefits and implement them.....those who don't are living in the past and putting their patient's lives at risk. Those are the facts.

It’s actually true that more people die or experience life threatening complications after transfusions, that those who choose safer alternatives.

Did you watch the video? This has nothing to do with JW’s but was published on the Australian government website. The warnings are real.....people can ignore them at their own risk.

Did you see in the scan of what blood does in the body compared to saline volume expanders? Do you know what the words “morbidity” and “mortality” mean? No other medical procedure carries greater risk according to these experts in the field.

Sorry that so many are misinformed in the American health system and who cling to dangerous procedures despite the complications that they already deal with every day. What do you call that? Medical negligence.

Do you know how many of my brothers have been told point blank that they would die without blood? None of them did unless the hospital chose to do nothing by way of the many alternative procedures, both in surgery and even in trauma units. If you think that refusing what we believe is against God’s law and has proven to be a very risky medical procedure, is unreasonable, then that is your misinformed opinion.

People who don't have this therapy when they've experienced blood loss die in most cases. In fact, there are many, many surgical practices here who refuse to take JWs as patients, because they're just too high risk in their refusal of blood therapy when it's needed. In practices like cardiac, orthopedic and OB, blood therapy is necessary. The only thing JWs have taught medical science in this regard is that the practice of not receiving blood is a really bad idea, and the belief that transfusion is unnecessary is completely unfounded.

Wrong again. You really need to keep up to date with the latest research. Many caring doctors consult with our Hospital Liaison Committee as to what procedures can be used successfully by them on their Witness patients. They know how thorough our research is.

No they weren't. You're really spreading the false info today, aren't you? The ancient Jews may have been witnesses for YHWH, but they were patently NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. When you capitalize the J and the W you are designating the modern cult that goes by that name, and not any ancient group of Judaic people. This kind of appropriation is nothing more than entitlement.

Oh please....are you serious? What is a “witness”? It is one who gives testimony about a matter.

Israel were called Jehovah’s “witnesses” because of what they were, not because of what they were called.(Isaiah 43:10)

Jesus is called “the Faithful and True Witness” in Revelation 3:14, so we as disciples of Christ also carry our witness to the world. It is not just what we call ourselves...but it is who and what we are. Jehovah has always had his Witnesses....what makes you think he doesn’t still....now more than ever....?

Don’t look now, but your ignorance is showing here. You demonstrate how very little you know about either issue. Do some research please.

 

[sojourner]

Oh please....are you serious? What is a “witness”? It is one who gives testimony about a matter.

Israel were called Jehovah’s “witnesses” because of what they were, not because of what they were called.(Isaiah 43:10)

But that’s not what you said. You capitalized “Witnesses.” When placed with the false name “Jehovah,” it doesn’t any longer mean small-w “witness” in the generic sense, as you’ve done in this post; “witness” and “Witness” are two different things. You’ve intentionally conflated them. It’s misleading and disingenuous.

Jehovah has always had his Witnesses

No, God has always had God’s “witnesses.” Being willfully disingenuous may be the activity of a good “Witness,” but it’s not the hallmark of a good “witness.”

Your posts are a fine example of the problem the OP presents.

I’ll answer to your other “research” when I’m not trying to type on my phone.

 

[Misty Woods]

Au contraire, Madam. It's not a very honest and fair question coming from a JW, when I know for a fact--because JWs and www.jw.org tell me so--that JWs:

• (a) don't acknowledge the relevance and usefulness of Creeds,
• (b) are well convinced that Creeds are the work of Satan, and
  
• (c) know--as well as any literate, adult, Christian human being in Christianity and Christendom--that an existing, whole Christian Creed is not literally, "in the Bible" in any language. In other words, a knucklehead JW who thinks they are obliged to follow Jesus Christ's "command" to be as "wise as serpents" and who thinks that by asking: "where in Scripture may I find your creed" they are being as "wise as serpents", needs to find someone more gullible than me to feign ignorance to.

But shame on me, I treat you rudely, don't I?

• How about if I play your little game with you and ask, since you don't accept and espouse the Apostle's Creed:
  • Where in Scripture is it written that God is not an Almighty Father or that He did not make heaven and earth or that you should not believe and not say that He is Almighty and He made heaven and earth? If you believe that He is Almighty, and that He made heaven and earth, why do you criticize me for saying: "I believe in God the Father Almighty"?
    
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ is not "Υἱὸν Αὐτοῦ τòν μονογενῆ" (God the Father Almighty's only begotten Son)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ is not "τòν Κύριον ἡμῶν" (our Lord)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "τòν συλληφθέντα ἐκ πνεύματος ἁγίου" (conceived from holy spirit)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "γεννηθέντα ἐκ Μαρίας τῆς παρθένου" (born of the maiden Mary)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "παθόντα ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου" (suffer under Pontius Pilate)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "σταυρωθέντα" (crucified)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "θανόντα" (die)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ was not "ταφέντα" (buried)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "κατελθόντα εἰς τὰ κατώτατα" (descend to the abode of the dead)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ ἀναστάντα ἀπò τῶν νεκρῶν" (on the third day rose from the dead)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ did not "ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανούς" (ascend to heaven)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ does not "καθεζόμενον ἐν δεξιᾷ Θεοῦ Πατρὸς παντοδυνάμου" (sit at the right hand of God the Father All-powerful)?
  • Where in Scripture is it written that Jesus Christ will not "ἐκεῖθεν ἐρχόμενον κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς" (from there come to judge the living and the dead"?

I appreciate greatly your admittance, that you are aware that Jehovah’s Witnessses “know--as well as any literate, adult, Christian human being in Christianity and Christendom--that an existing, whole Christian Creed is not literally, "in the Bible" in any language” …….. Unfortunately, most people are not well enough versed in the scriptures, to know that in fact, this is the case, which is exactly why people, such as yourself Mr. Sampson, should be sincerely honest enough to inform the uninformed. Prov 30:5,6 states, “Every saying of God is refined. He is a shield to those taking refuge in him”. Add nothing to his words, Or he will reprove you, And you will be proved a liar.” Notice how Satan also, added words that our Grand Creator at no time voiced. In Eden he asked Eve: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” In Job’s time, during a meeting of the angels in heaven, Satan raised the question: “Is it for nothing that Job has feared God?” And at the start of Jesus’ earthly ministry, Satan challenged Christ by saying: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” Imagine—in Jesus’ case, Satan dared to mock the very words that Jehovah himself had spoken some six weeks earlier: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved”!—Genesis 3:1; Job 1:9; Matthew 3:17; 4:3. John 8:44 states clearly, “ You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”


You also state. “But shame on me, I treat you rudely, don't I?”

The persecution of true worshipers has a long history, reaching all the way back to “righteous Abel.” Matthew 23:34, 35 It has not been limited to a few isolated incidents. Jesus said that his followers would be “objects of hatred by all people” on account of his name. Matthew 10:22 Further, the apostle Paul wrote that all of God’s servants—including each one of us—should expect to be persecuted. 2 Timothy 3:12

As the foremost upholder of Jehovah’s sovereignty, God’s Son became the chief object of Satan’s hostility. When Jesus came to earth, Satan sought to make him look spiritually disfigured, as he had Job, making Jesus appear to be a sinner. Isaiah 53:2-4; John 9:24 People called him a drunkard and a glutton and said that he ‘had a demon.’ Matthew 11:18, 19; John 7:20; 8:48; 10:20 He was falsely accused of blasphemy. Matthew 9:2, 3; 26:63-66; John 10:33-36 This distressed Jesus, for he knew that it reflected unjustly on his Father. Luke 22:41-44

Finally, Jesus was impaled as an accursed criminal. Matthew 27:38-44 In maintaining perfect integrity, Jesus endured much “contrary talk by sinners.”—Hebrews 12:2, 3.

2 Cor 6:8 through glory and dishonor, through bad report and good report. We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful,

John 10:16 through glory and dishonor, through bad report and good report. We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful

Sadly, people with prideful egos tend to manipulate others, by frustrating, and confusing them with gas-lighting games, such as what you yourself Mr. Sampson are attempting with me. However, I am fully aware that Satan, a master of deception, has “blinded the minds of the unbelievers” for thousands of years now. 2Cor 4:4… He has also been relentless in his efforts to corrupt the thinking of Jehovah’s true worshippers, because he understands, that how we think affects the way we act. He knows that if he can distort our thinking, he can influence our actions for bad ----James 1:14,15. The apostle Paul wrote: “I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, your minds might be corrupted away from ….the Christ” 2Cor 11:3

We would all do well to remember that our principal adversaries are Satan and the demons. Ephesians 6:12 While some humans knowingly and deliberately persecute Christ’s true worshippers, many of those who oppose God’s people do so out of ignorance or are manipulated by others. Daniel 6:4-16; 1 Timothy 1:12, 13 Jehovah desires that “all sorts of men” have the opportunity to “be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” 1 Timothy 2:4 Indeed, some former opposers are now our Christian brothers as a result of having observed our blameless conduct. 1 Peter 2:12 In addition, we can draw a lesson from the example of Jacob’s son Joseph. Although Joseph suffered greatly on account of his half brothers, he did not harbor animosity toward them, because he discerned that Jehovah’s hand was in the matter, maneuvering events in order to fulfill His purpose. Genesis 45:4-8 Jehovah can likewise cause any unjust suffering we may undergo to work out for the glory of his name.—1 Peter 4:16.


Mr. Sampson, Our Grand Creator gives us a most precious gift of FREEWILL,,,,,,, Therefore, we can choose our disposition…. I pray for you to stop playing games and choose wisely, before it’s too late for you, and those that listen to you. Eph 6:11 “Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil;”

 

[Misty Woods]

When placed with the false name “Jehovah,”

WRIGHT WAY: A new King James Bible?

 

[Deeje]

But that’s not what you said. You capitalized “Witnesses.” When placed with the false name “Jehovah,” it doesn’t any longer mean small-w “witness” in the generic sense, as you’ve done in this post; “witness” and “Witness” are two different things. You’ve intentionally conflated them. It’s misleading and disingenuous.

But, but, but ...you said “Witnesses with a capital “W”.....oh dear are you for real? What pedantic nonsense! We are Jehovah’s Witnesses because that is what we are, and that is what we do.
We are witness for Jehovah, every time we come to your door and every time you see us in the street, we are Witnesses for Jehovah......I think you need to get over the nit-picking and name calling. It makes you look childish.

No, God has always had God’s “witnesses.” Being willfully disingenuous may be the activity of a good “Witness,” but it’s not the hallmark of a good “witness.”

Your posts are a fine example of the problem the OP presents.

Well, the hallmark of a good Witness is to actually be a witness. Jesus was a witness for Jehovah and he is the model. (1 Peter 2:21) It’s pretty much what JW’s are known for all over the world. What are you known for?

 

[Terry Sampson]

Unfortunately, most people are not well enough versed in the scriptures, to know that in fact, this is the case, which is exactly why people, such as yourself Mr. Sampson, should be sincerely honest enough to inform the uninformed.

Oh, but I am sincerely honest enough to inform the uninformed. You repeated a question to me that another JW before you asked, knowing the answer that you both knew before you posted your messages to me, "solely to check my understanding and engage me in an exchange" which might end with you leading me into the kingdom or me rejecting your offer to lead me anywhere.
There, you've been informed.

The persecution of true worshipers has a long history, reaching all the way back to “righteous Abel.”

I've been the beneficiary of no less than eight true worshipers through whom my God and Lord has loved me more than I deserve. Not a single one ever called him- or herself a "Jehovah's Witness" or has ever set foot in a Kingdom Hall. I have seen true worship personally. Your posts to me here in RF are not true worship.

As the foremost upholder of Jehovah’s sovereignty, ... In maintaining perfect integrity, Jesus endured much “contrary talk by sinners.”

You're preaching and I haven't asked you to preach to me. Why are you preaching to me?

We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful, ... We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful

Check yourself in a mirror; your hubris is showing. Paul wasn't speaking to strangers; you are.

Sadly, people with prideful egos tend to manipulate others, by frustrating, and confusing them with gas-lighting games, such as what you yourself Mr. Sampson are attempting with me. However, I am fully aware that Satan, a master of deception, has “blinded the minds of the unbelievers” for thousands of years now. 2Cor 4:4… He has also been relentless in his efforts to corrupt the thinking of Jehovah’s true worshippers, because he understands, that how we think affects the way we act. He knows that if he can distort our thinking, he can influence our actions for bad ----James 1:14,15. The apostle Paul wrote: “I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, your minds might be corrupted away from ….the Christ” 2Cor 11:3

Insult and slander: According to you I have a prideful ego and am trying to manipulate you. You think that I'm trying to frustrate and to confuse you with gas-lighting games, but you are the one who initiated an exchange with me and continue to address me. Why is that? What do you think I might have that you want or need?

I pray for you to stop playing games and choose wisely, before it’s too late for you, and those that listen to you.

And I pray for you, that your eyes may be opened and that you may see that it was you who started the game with your question. I guess I need to add your name to my ignore list.

 

[firedragon]

History is not "rhetoric", nor am I just spouting Catholic theology but well-known and well-established Christian history. Here, and scroll down to #5: Christianity - Wikipedia

Also, I did not say the JW's were "not biblical", as that's way too broad of a stroke.

Of course history is not rhetoric. You didnt "quote" history, you just made a rhetorical comment.

Anyway, its going nowhere so I withdraw my request not expecting objectivity but another rhetorical comment.

 

[sojourner]

WRIGHT WAY: A new King James Bible?

A newspaper article touting a biased change in wording does not legitimize the change in wording, nor does such change signify that “Jehovah” somehow appears in the texts. It does not.

 

[metis]

Of course history is not rhetoric. You didnt "quote" history, you just made a rhetorical comment.

Anyway, its going nowhere so I withdraw my request not expecting objectivity but another rhetorical comment.

I presented a link to prove my point, and you respond with the above? Nor did I post any "rhetorical comment", so I don't have a clue why you would fabricate that. On top of that, you misrepresented what I said about the JW's relationship with scripture, which is unethical.

There's a disconnect somewhere along the line, or so it appears. So, you're right-- this is going nowhere, and so is any further discussions with you since this is not the first time you've done this.

 

[firedragon]

I presented a link to prove my point, and you respond with the above? Nor did I post any "rhetorical comment", so I don't have a clue why you would fabricate that. On top of that, you misrepresented what I said about the JW's relationship with scripture, which is unethical.

There's a disconnect somewhere along the line, or so it appears. So, you're right-- this is going nowhere, and so is any further discussions with you since this is not the first time you've done this.

Thats great to hear. Peace.

 

[Misty Woods]

I guess I need to add your name to my ignore list.

You are certainly free to do so Mr. Sampson

 

[Misty Woods]

A newspaper article touting a biased change in wording does not legitimize the change in wording, nor does such change signify that “Jehovah” somehow appears in the texts. It does not.

Either A: you made no attempt to read the article, or B: you failed to comprehend that this article is from an interview of the translators, and publishers of the KJ Divine Name Bible

‘Publishers of this latest King James Version wrote, “We specifically left the Authorized Version as it is except to restore the Divine Name. We hope then to make people pause and ask themselves if they want ANY modern English Bible that does not display God’s Divine Name as it is found in the original writings no matter how well translated it is.”’

‘Explaining their reason for restoring the Divine Name where it originally appeared, the publishers stated online, “Does it not seem clearer than ever why Jesus instructed us at Matthew 6:9 to pray ‘Hallowed be thy name’ not ‘hidden be thy name.’ Jesus faithfully showed why the name of Jehovah must be known to us, for only by that way would we know who Jesus is and how actually Jesus set the pattern for pure worship.’

 

[sojourner]

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]\\\Woods, post: 6764591, member: 67905"]Either A: you made no attempt to read the article, or B: you failed to comprehend that this article is from an interview of the translators, and publishers of the KJ Divine Name Bible[/QUOTE]
Or C: I know enough about the Bible, its languages and origins, and the translational process to know that the "translators" aren't translating. They have an agenda, and they're making biased "corrections," which we'll discover in a moment.

‘Publishers of this latest King James Version wrote, “We specifically left the Authorized Version as it is except to restore the Divine Name. We hope then to make people pause and ask themselves if they want ANY modern English Bible that does not display God’s Divine Name as it is found in the original writings no matter how well translated it is.”’

"Except to restore the 'Divine Name.'" They want to "make" people "realize" that "Divine Name" "as it it found in the 'original writings' no matter "how well translated." This isn't the work or the philosophy of Biblical translation. Nor does "Jehovah" appear in ANY of the ancient source texts. Only the Tetragrammaton appears in the texts. "Jehovah" was spawned by adding vowels that do not appear in ancient Hebrew. Most scholars believe they are the vowels for "Adonai," which also lacks vowels in ancient Hebrew. So, the "translators" "attempts" are both futile and disingenuous.

‘Explaining their reason for restoring the Divine Name where it originally appeared, the publishers stated online, “Does it not seem clearer than ever why Jesus instructed us at Matthew 6:9 to pray ‘Hallowed be thy name’ not ‘hidden be thy name.’ Jesus faithfully showed why the name of Jehovah must be known to us, for only by that way would we know who Jesus is and how actually Jesus set the pattern for pure worship.’

If "Hallowed" is to be God's name, according to Jesus, why are you using "Jehovah?" You should be using "Hallowed." And you won't find Jesus using the term "Jehovah" either. This is more biased, misleading claptrap spawned from cult-speak.

 

[Misty Woods]

\]\
]\\\Woods, post: 6764591, member: 67905"]Either A: you made no attempt to read the article, or B: you failed to comprehend that this article is from an interview of the translators, and publishers of the KJ Divine Name Bible

Or C: I know enough about the Bible, its languages and origins, and the translational process to know that the "translators" aren't translating. They have an agenda, and they're making biased "corrections," which we'll discover in a moment.


"Except to restore the 'Divine Name.'" They want to "make" people "realize" that "Divine Name" "as it it found in the 'original writings' no matter "how well translated." This isn't the work or the philosophy of Biblical translation. Nor does "Jehovah" appear in ANY of the ancient source texts. Only the Tetragrammaton appears in the texts. "Jehovah" was spawned by adding vowels that do not appear in ancient Hebrew. Most scholars believe they are the vowels for "Adonai," which also lacks vowels in ancient Hebrew. So, the "translators" "attempts" are both futile and disingenuous.

If "Hallowed" is to be God's name, according to Jesus, why are you using "Jehovah?" You should be using "Hallowed." And you won't find Jesus using the term "Jehovah" either. This is more biased, misleading claptrap spawned from cult-speak.[/QUOTE]



Jesus clearly stated at Matt 7:6 ““Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine, so that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” In a figurative sense, “what is holy” and “pearls” refer to precious Scriptural truths regarding God’s Messianic kingdom. Disciples of Jesus were to share these truths with everyone. Matt 24:14 “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matt 28:19,20 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” But if individuals showed themselves to be without appreciation of spiritual things, like dogs or swine, Christians were to seek out more receptive ears. Matt 10:14,15 “Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.” Luke 9:5 “And wherever people do not receive you, on going out of that city, shake the dust off your feet for a witness against them.” Luke 10:11 “‘We wipe off against you even the dust that sticks to our feet from your city. Nevertheless, know this, that the Kingdom of God has come near.’”

Acts 13:45-47 “When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began blasphemously contradicting the things Paul was saying. Then Paul and Barʹna·bas boldly said to them: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to you. Since you are rejecting it and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations. For Jehovah has commanded us in these words: ‘I have appointed you as a light of nations, for you to be a salvation to the ends of the earth.’” So I will do as the apostle Paul did in Corinth by shaking out his garments, and state; “Let your blood be on your own heads. I am clean.” (Acts 18:6)

 

[sojourner]

Jesus clearly stated at Matt 7:6 ““Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine, so that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” In a figurative sense, “what is holy” and “pearls” refer to precious Scriptural truths regarding God’s Messianic kingdom. Disciples of Jesus were to share these truths with everyone. Matt 24:14 “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matt 28:19,20 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” But if individuals showed themselves to be without appreciation of spiritual things, like dogs or swine, Christians were to seek out more receptive ears. Matt 10:14,15 “Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.” Luke 9:5 “And wherever people do not receive you, on going out of that city, shake the dust off your feet for a witness against them.” Luke 10:11 “‘We wipe off against you even the dust that sticks to our feet from your city. Nevertheless, know this, that the Kingdom of God has come near.’”

Acts 13:45-47 “When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began blasphemously contradicting the things Paul was saying. Then Paul and Barʹna·bas boldly said to them: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to you. Since you are rejecting it and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations. For Jehovah has commanded us in these words: ‘I have appointed you as a light of nations, for you to be a salvation to the ends of the earth.’” So I will do as the apostle Paul did in Corinth by shaking out his garments, and state; “Let your blood be on your own heads. I am clean.” (Acts 18:6)

Besides not providing a coherent presentation of cogent texts, this diatribe doesn’t address the point in the post it answers. It simply “Biblifies” the sentiment of self-righteous “I’m picking up my marbles and going home.” In this case, “God told me to pick up my marbles and go home.” This sentiment completely derails the thrust of the passages it misuses in support of your point. Your posting of this new “translation” (even though it’s clearly not a translation) does not constitute truths that Jesus sent out his followers to share. And, you’re not an Apostle. A closer teaching that more closely fits your post here might be: “They have eyes but don’t see.”

But you’re welcome to try again. When you can provide a valid bit of support for your assertion that “Jehovah” is “the real Divine Name,” I’ll be all ears. But this one was nothing other than more of the same cult-speak.

 

[Misty Woods]

Besides not providing a coherent presentation of cogent texts, this diatribe doesn’t address the point in the post it answers. It simply “Biblifies” the sentiment of self-righteous “I’m picking up my marbles and going home.” In this case, “God told me to pick up my marbles and go home.” This sentiment completely derails the thrust of the passages it misuses in support of your point. Your posting of this new “translation” (even though it’s clearly not a translation) does not constitute truths that Jesus sent out his followers to share. And, you’re not an Apostle. A closer teaching that more closely fits your post here might be: “They have eyes but don’t see.”

But you’re welcome to try again. When you can provide a valid bit of support for your assertion that “Jehovah” is “the real Divine Name,” I’ll be all ears. But this one was nothing other than more of the same cult-speak.

Friendly advice; It’s better to shut up and let people assume you are an idiot than to speak and prove them right.